Knicks · Begley: Rose to TWolves being discussed (page 18)

crzymdups @ 2/23/2017 11:22 AM
I would love for Shabazz to be the final piece of the Rubio / Rose deal.

I'd do DRose for Rubio and Shabazz right now.

crzymdups @ 2/23/2017 11:27 AM
If the Rubio deal falls through... we could get Brandon Knight with DRose and the second round pick we have in the draft, right?

NYKBocker @ 2/23/2017 11:33 AM
I just want a Rose for Rubio and their 2nd round pick (39th from NO). I pray to all of you powerful and benevolent basketball gods.
CrushAlot @ 2/23/2017 11:43 AM
fishmike @ 2/23/2017 11:51 AM
NYKBocker wrote:I just want a Rose for Rubio and their 2nd round pick (39th from NO). I pray to all of you powerful and benevolent basketball gods.
This... if the deal was that simple I would be glad. The downside of course is I think it may actually get us on a run
Chandler @ 2/23/2017 11:55 AM
crzymdups wrote:
Chandler wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:
stanleybostitch wrote:
holfresh wrote:
We don't suck because of Rose, or Melo for that matter... We suck because the coach doesn't coach defense the players don't play defense...

There, fixed it for you.

its incredible. Everyone in the league knows Melo hasnt played defense since he's come in the league and this guy wants to blame the coach. Melo's a hell of a player, but he doesnt elevate teammates and doesnt play defense. He's a good rebounder so you can put him that 4... (where we have 4 other guys)

Melo has always been on above average defensive teams and always made the playoffs before Phil.

The Denver Nuggets were 11th in defensive ranking in 2003-04 (Karl, made playoffs, Melo's rookie season)

The Denver Nuggets were 10th in defensive ranking in 2004-05 (Karl, made playoffs)

The Denver Nuggets were 15th in defensive ranking in 2005-06 (Karl, made playoffs)

The Denver Nuggets were 9th in defensive ranking in 2006-07 (Karl, made playoffs)

The Denver Nuggets were 11th in defensive ranking in 2007-08 (Karl, made playoffs)

The Denver Nuggets were 8th in defensive ranking in 2008-09 (Karl, made playoffs)

The Denver Nuggets were 8th in defensive ranking in 2009-10 (Karl, made playoffs)

The Knicks were 15th in defensive ranking in 2010-11 (D'Antoni, made playoffs)

The Knicks were 10th in defensive ranking in 2011-12 (D'Antoni, Woodson takes over final 24 games, Knicks are 5th in defense during Woodson's 24 games, made playoffs)

The Knicks were 7th in defensive ranking in 2012-13 (Woodson, made playoffs)

The Knicks were 18th in defensive ranking in 2013-14 (Woodson, but also Bargnani. Tyson Chandler misses 40 games broken leg, missed playoffs despite a furious late charge once Chandler was healthy)

Phil Jackson begins rebuilding and instilling principals of triangular loving

The Knicks were LAST in defensive ranking in 2014-15 (Fisher, missed playoffs, Melo misses half season)

The Knicks were 23rd in defensive ranking in 2015-16 (Fisher, Rambis, second rebuild, Rambis declares "Year 0", missed playoffs)

The Knicks are 25th in defensive ranking in 2016-17 (Hornacek, missed playoffs?, third rebuild)


Crzy, are you really implying Melo is a good defender? I think that would be news to everyone, including melo himself

there were some defensive studs on some of those teams

I don't think Melo is a good defender. What I'm implying is that a good team defense can be constructed around Melo by someone who knows what they're doing.

Phew. I thought you lost it there for a second. Point well taken. And I agree with you. One caveat: even if Melo is a poor defender I think the coach should insist on consistent effort.

HofstraBBall @ 2/23/2017 12:06 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Paris907 wrote:Melo says he's relaxed. Good for Melo. Yet Phil has had his share of prima Donna's and won't be pushed around. Bring in Rubio let's see if Melo prefers Rubio or Chris Paul. Phil is forcing the action on the ntc. That simple.

Yeah, I think Phil needs to make a point about the rebuild today. Then I think there can be a Melo to Clippers trade this summer.

How do you think Noah fits in rebuild? Is he not main problem? Not Melo?
How will Rubio signal rebuild? Rose is gone at end of year anyway. Only move that makes sense is to trade Rose for picks. The focus should be on that. And a prayer that someone is dumb enough to take Noah for a bag of peanuts.

The Knicks have Rose out there and every team knows it so they're trying and doing whatever they can to trade him but you can't force teams to trade for him. People act like Phil and S.Mills aren't doing whatever they can top trade whoever they can for any type of return that helps our future so young players and draft picks but when teams only want to give you guys on bad contracts or guys that don't help our future then what is it you think Phil and Steve can do?? No matter how much we don't like Phil or Mills they're the guys that know the direction they want this team to go and they're the guys that know what players will help us and which ones won't cause we don't know what their plan is for this rebuild.

Understand they are trying. Just think Rubio is a sideways move. Hope anything they do gives them back a pick.

fishmike @ 2/23/2017 12:30 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Paris907 wrote:Melo says he's relaxed. Good for Melo. Yet Phil has had his share of prima Donna's and won't be pushed around. Bring in Rubio let's see if Melo prefers Rubio or Chris Paul. Phil is forcing the action on the ntc. That simple.

Yeah, I think Phil needs to make a point about the rebuild today. Then I think there can be a Melo to Clippers trade this summer.

How do you think Noah fits in rebuild? Is he not main problem? Not Melo?
How will Rubio signal rebuild? Rose is gone at end of year anyway. Only move that makes sense is to trade Rose for picks. The focus should be on that. And a prayer that someone is dumb enough to take Noah for a bag of peanuts.

The Knicks have Rose out there and every team knows it so they're trying and doing whatever they can to trade him but you can't force teams to trade for him. People act like Phil and S.Mills aren't doing whatever they can top trade whoever they can for any type of return that helps our future so young players and draft picks but when teams only want to give you guys on bad contracts or guys that don't help our future then what is it you think Phil and Steve can do?? No matter how much we don't like Phil or Mills they're the guys that know the direction they want this team to go and they're the guys that know what players will help us and which ones won't cause we don't know what their plan is for this rebuild.

Understand they are trying. Just think Rubio is a sideways move. Hope anything they do gives them back a pick.

agree Rubio is a sideways move, in talent probably a downgrade. Question is can he be a better fit? I think you cant have Rose/Melo on the same team. Its like when he was playing with Amare. The ball just doesnt move. KP is a stopper as well, but with a PG who is facilitator we could see much better ball movement, which would also help Noah (if he ever gets back) as well. Rubio also defends on the ball very well and gets bunches of steals.

I think with Minn they can let Rose be an Iverson type and Thibs and work on the rest defending.

SupremeCommander @ 2/23/2017 12:33 PM
Maybe KOQ gets moved for a first and then trade Rose and that 1 for Rubio and Shabazz?
CrushAlot @ 2/23/2017 12:38 PM
fishmike @ 2/23/2017 12:41 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Fingers crossed. Although some may laugh I think Rubio may get us into the playoffs
MaTT4281 @ 2/23/2017 12:42 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:Maybe KOQ gets moved for a first and then trade Rose and that 1 for Rubio and Shabazz?

I hope the Rose/Rubio swap gets worked out, but if we can get a 1st for KOQ, I don't know if Rubio is that enticing to flip it for Shabazz.

CrushAlot @ 2/23/2017 12:43 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:Maybe KOQ gets moved for a first and then trade Rose and that 1 for Rubio and Shabazz?

I hope the Rose/Rubio swap gets worked out, but if we can get a 1st for KOQ, I don't know if Rubio is that enticing to flip it for Shabazz.

I wouldn't flip it. Firsts are getting Cousins, Bropez, Noel etc. If you are willing to give up a first you can get a really good player.
CrushAlot @ 2/23/2017 1:05 PM
NYKBocker @ 2/23/2017 1:06 PM
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Fingers crossed. Although some may laugh I think Rubio may get us into the playoffs

I think we make a run all the way to the 6th spot with Rubio.

CrushAlot @ 2/23/2017 1:06 PM
Swishfm3 @ 2/23/2017 1:13 PM
I dont know if I posted this here or not but a friend told me that the word is Rose for Rubio/Hill but the Knicks want a draft pick and thats where the biggest hold up is at.
MaTT4281 @ 2/23/2017 1:19 PM
CrushAlot wrote:

Different reports seem to be flipping whether it's NY or Minny in the driver's seat. First Minny contacting NY, then NY pursuing the trade while Minny shops Rubio to other teams, now NY holding out for more. Hope this one is accurate. Would be nice not to have to bend to the other team's demands for a change.

fishmike @ 2/23/2017 1:24 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

Different reports seem to be flipping whether it's NY or Minny in the driver's seat. First Minny contacting NY, then NY pursuing the trade while Minny shops Rubio to other teams, now NY holding out for more. Hope this one is accurate. Would be nice not to have to bend to the other team's demands for a change.

uncharted territory!!! We will probably phuck it up
SupremeCommander @ 2/23/2017 1:45 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:Maybe KOQ gets moved for a first and then trade Rose and that 1 for Rubio and Shabazz?

I hope the Rose/Rubio swap gets worked out, but if we can get a 1st for KOQ, I don't know if Rubio is that enticing to flip it for Shabazz.

I wouldn't flip it. Firsts are getting Cousins, Bropez, Noel etc. If you are willing to give up a first you can get a really good player.

I'm not saying I would either - just trying to read the tea leaves

JrZyHuStLa @ 2/23/2017 2:01 PM
Rubio to Cleveland for Shump and a 1st.
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