gunsnewing wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:stopstandthere wrote:The mistake of Phil is to insist the traingle.
We barely ran the Triangle this year
Actually running the Triangle has shown to help defensive balance Mistake was getting point guards who don't play winning basketball
Rose is a complete lateral move. He neither helped or hurt the team. He literally adds almost zero wins moving from one team to another.
Yea with a Melo centric team you need a really good, I mean really good, cerebral, hall of
Fame caliber PG running the show.
Like let's say Jason Kidd
except Kidd wasn't a really good, really good... player by then he was just a good role player for the first two months and then turned into one of the worst shooting guards in the league. Age unfortunately caught up with him. He was still smart though.
Kidd was the leader of that team sort of like Billups in Denver.
Huge contrast in how Kidd and Chauncey lead vs Rose/Jennings.
Melo was right asking for a PG.
Phil was right for trading for a PG who can give 18/5 a game.
Problem is most PGs won't mesh with Melo.
Neither did Lin.
You need PGs like Kidd and Chauncey. Not easy to find those great intangibles and a player that can also be your lead guard.
Since Melo is likely staying until 2018, the Knicks should look for a PG with those intangibles and one comfortable playing off Melo as a 3 point shooter. Certainly was not Rose or BJ. A better version of Ron Baker is what we need. Ron isn't starter material but has those intangibles. Need to find a PG who has those intangibles but also has starter level talent.
nyknickzingis wrote:Kidd was the leader of that team sort of like Billups in Denver.Huge contrast in how Kidd and Chauncey lead vs Rose/Jennings.
Melo was right asking for a PG.
Phil was right for trading for a PG who can give 18/5 a game.
Problem is most PGs won't mesh with Melo.
Neither did Lin.
You need PGs like Kidd and Chauncey. Not easy to find those great intangibles and a player that can also be your lead guard.
Since Melo is likely staying until 2018, the Knicks should look for a PG with those intangibles and one comfortable playing off Melo as a 3 point shooter. Certainly was not Rose or BJ. A better version of Ron Baker is what we need. Ron isn't starter material but has those intangibles. Need to find a PG who has those intangibles but also has starter level talent.
One comparing Billups to NY Kidd is laughable. Billups was a great player and probably the best player on the Nuggets when he was with Melo.
How about getting good pgs instead of Rose and Jennings. Also, how can you mesh with a player that gets injured(Lin). Also, I seem to remember them going on a win streak before Lin was injured but then took off to another level to close the year.
You can say that player a and B hasn't been playing winning basketball for the last few years then use them as examples of Melo not meshing with PGs. Obviously, those players do not mesh with a lot of players because they suck.
It's not that hard to discern that good players mesh with other good players and bad players and unhealthy players do not mesh with teammates.
Lastly, How is Phil catering to Melo by getting a PG when everyone in the world knew the knicks needed to upgrade from Calderon and Phil was trying to trade Calderon at the deadline during his final Knicks season. The problem is Phil does not know how to evaluate talent which is odd since he has a lot of data at his disposal but maybe he doesn't use it. Maybe he just goes by the eye test?
nyknickzingis wrote:Kidd was the leader of that team sort of like Billups in Denver.Huge contrast in how Kidd and Chauncey lead vs Rose/Jennings.
Melo was right asking for a PG.
Phil was right for trading for a PG who can give 18/5 a game.
Problem is most PGs won't mesh with Melo.
Neither did Lin.
You need PGs like Kidd and Chauncey. Not easy to find those great intangibles and a player that can also be your lead guard.
Since Melo is likely staying until 2018, the Knicks should look for a PG with those intangibles and one comfortable playing off Melo as a 3 point shooter. Certainly was not Rose or BJ. A better version of Ron Baker is what we need. Ron isn't starter material but has those intangibles. Need to find a PG who has those intangibles but also has starter level talent.
George Hill as a stop gap?
this is why Melo should be w cp3. Melo would be winning and enjoying asketbal again
Or w lebron as quasi-pg
Nothing like losing to bring out all the tired, old BS MeloSheeehit posts
Jason Kidd, he of the 2 for 450 FGA for the 2nd half of the season, without the ability to hit open layups or guard your grandmommy with a machine gun. Yes, his sharp neurological synapses were the sole reason we won 54 games... Sort of along the same argument that all those wins were specifically attributable to the leadership skills of Rashweed and InvisaCamby...
Jeremy Lin, the prototypical 15 minute flash in the pan, who's now somehow one of the greatest PG's in the history of the franchise for those whole 15 minutes (if you continue to ignore when he would get lit up and exposed regularly by the likes of Deron Williams), and that his sole claim to fame since then is weird hair and possibly the only Youtube NBA highlight in existence of airballing an open layup...
Chauncey Billups, who everybody never mentions was at the end of his career in Denver and never managed to drag a team anywhere after he left the Nuggets... including the whole 21 games he played for this franchise.
yellowboy90 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:stopstandthere wrote:The mistake of Phil is to insist the traingle.
We barely ran the Triangle this year
Actually running the Triangle has shown to help defensive balance Mistake was getting point guards who don't play winning basketball
Rose is a complete lateral move. He neither helped or hurt the team. He literally adds almost zero wins moving from one team to another.
Yea with a Melo centric team you need a really good, I mean really good, cerebral, hall of
Fame caliber PG running the show.
Like let's say Jason Kidd
except Kidd wasn't a really good, really good... player by then he was just a good role player for the first two months and then turned into one of the worst shooting guards in the league. Age unfortunately caught up with him. He was still smart though.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kiddja01/splits/2013
He was to start. Kidd 100% jumpstarted that team which got off to an incredible start. Look at Kidd's shooting in November. He was also +.400 in Dec as well. He absolutely tailed off and stunk later in the year but JR emerged as a great player, Felton had a good 2nd half and other chipped in.
In hindsight the only thing we learned about that season was it wasnt sustainable. If there was a chance we needed a real infusion of talent and Bargs was NOT it. That season was a nice confluence of events, and its also ancient history.
fishmike wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:stopstandthere wrote:The mistake of Phil is to insist the traingle.
We barely ran the Triangle this year
Actually running the Triangle has shown to help defensive balance Mistake was getting point guards who don't play winning basketball
Rose is a complete lateral move. He neither helped or hurt the team. He literally adds almost zero wins moving from one team to another.
Yea with a Melo centric team you need a really good, I mean really good, cerebral, hall of
Fame caliber PG running the show.
Like let's say Jason Kidd
except Kidd wasn't a really good, really good... player by then he was just a good role player for the first two months and then turned into one of the worst shooting guards in the league. Age unfortunately caught up with him. He was still smart though.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kiddja01/splits/2013He was to start. Kidd 100% jumpstarted that team which got off to an incredible start. Look at Kidd's shooting in November. He was also +.400 in Dec as well. He absolutely tailed off and stunk later in the year but JR emerged as a great player, Felton had a good 2nd half and other chipped in.
In hindsight the only thing we learned about that season was it wasnt sustainable. If there was a chance we needed a real infusion of talent and Bargs was NOT it. That season was a nice confluence of events, and its also ancient history.
Also, Melo got player of the month in April that year and was third in the mvp race. It was a fun year.
Revisiting the past is meaningless at this point. From now on we need to focus not on Melo but the team's FUTURE!!! This was Melo's last hurrah as the focus of the team. They naturally need to move forward even with Melo hanging around. Going into this Draft and Free Agency should be all about the FUTURE now.
nixluva wrote:Revisiting the past is meaningless at this point. From now on we need to focus not on Melo but the team's FUTURE!!! This was Melo's last hurrah as the focus of the team. They naturally need to move forward even with Melo hanging around. Going into this Draft and Free Agency should be all about the FUTURE now.
Until he is gone the next two years are Melo's hurrah to be the focus and jack shots. Thats how a no trade clause works.
fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:Revisiting the past is meaningless at this point. From now on we need to focus not on Melo but the team's FUTURE!!! This was Melo's last hurrah as the focus of the team. They naturally need to move forward even with Melo hanging around. Going into this Draft and Free Agency should be all about the FUTURE now.
Until he is gone the next two years are Melo's hurrah to be the focus and jack shots. Thats how a no trade clause works.
Yes Melo will be here but with 3 picks and Cap Space I fully expect we won't repeat a process of trying to build around Melo but rather building for the Future! Melo is here but he's not going to be the focus of roster moves from now on.
I fully expect Phil to go full speed with trying to cater to KP and Willy in building the rest of the roster around them. That is the NEW REALITY!!!
nixluva wrote:Revisiting the past is meaningless at this point. From now on we need to focus not on Melo but the team's FUTURE!!! This was Melo's last hurrah as the focus of the team. They naturally need to move forward even with Melo hanging around. Going into this Draft and Free Agency should be all about the FUTURE now.
Sorry, did you answer how the FUTURE of KP, Willy, Knicks is affected by them training solely on a system NO ONE else in NBA uses? So when Phil leaves in a couple of years and the Knicks have to learn a new system, it will be an easy transition? But you think Melo affects the FUTURE more?
fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:Revisiting the past is meaningless at this point. From now on we need to focus not on Melo but the team's FUTURE!!! This was Melo's last hurrah as the focus of the team. They naturally need to move forward even with Melo hanging around. Going into this Draft and Free Agency should be all about the FUTURE now.
Until he is gone the next two years are Melo's hurrah to be the focus and jack shots. Thats how a no trade clause works.
Yeah I hate having the best clutch shooter in the NBA jacking shots. Especially when KP is busy... sitting on the bench...next to Willy.
And by golly, i actually thought the NTC kept Melo from leaving this sinkhole franchise that nobody else wants to play for, not even people the caliber of Seth HOF Curry!
whine whine whine...
