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Shot Selection in the Knicks’ Triangle Offense
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By Stephen Shea, Ph.D.

The triangle offense has been incredibly successful in the NBA in the past. Phil Jackson famously implemented the triangle offense on championship teams in Chicago and Los Angeles. However, the NBA has changed significantly since Jackson last led a team to a title. Offenses now feature more perimeter shooters, and they station fewer bodies in the paint. They create more space for players to drive and cut down the lane. Today’s offenses are more influenced by analytics and have adapted to defensive rule changes. One has to wonder if the triangle offense will still be as successful as it once was.

The concern is shot selection.

We will analyze shots from six regions—the restricted area, the paint (but not the restricted area), mid-range, the left corner 3, the right corner 3, and the above-the-break 3. The league has the highest eFG% from the restricted area. The second highest eFG% is the corner 3. Not surprisingly then, many teams are striving to get more shots from those two high efficiency zones.

In contrast, the mid-range jump shot is the least efficient shot. Thus, teams are looking to take less shots from this area. That is, all teams follow this trend except the Knicks. The Knicks are getting .97 points from mid-range for every 1 point from the restricted area. That’s the highest such ratio in the NBA in 2015. In fact, it’s the most for any team in any season from 2009-10 through 2014-15.

Some might argue that we cannot evaluate the triangle offense based on these Knicks. These Knicks aren’t loaded with talent. One might suggest that we shouldn’t dismiss the offensive system just because these Knicks can’t make their shots. So, let’s try an experiment. Let’s create the Dream 2014-15 Knicks. These Dream Knicks will still take the same number of shots from each region as the 2014-15 Knicks. However, these Dream Knicks will shoot the league best % from each region. These Dream Knicks will finish around the hoop like Blake Griffin and the Clippers. They’ll knock down mid-range and above-the-break jumpers like the Splash Brothers and Golden State. We’ll even assume they shoot 52.6% from the right corner 3, which if it held for a full season, would be the highest corner 3 % for any team in the last 10 years. We gave the Dream Knicks the league’s best field goal % from every region and then recalculated their eFG%. How do these Griffin-dunking, splash brothers shooting Dream Knicks rank in eFG%? They still don’t have the best eFG% in the league. They still aren’t getting as many points per shot as this season’s Warriors or Clippers.

Maybe I’m being too negative. There is some good news here. Assuming the Knicks current shot selection, if the Knicks could shoot the league’s best % from each region, they would be an above average offense. I guess that’s one road map to success—build a backcourt that shoots like Steph Curry and Klay Thompson and a front court that finishes at the hoop like DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin. The Knicks could do that….or they could ditch the triangle.

Let’s try another experiment. Let’s leave the Knicks’ shooting percentages as they are. Let’s suppose the Knicks finish like these Knicks—a team often believed to be considerably short on talent. Let’s now suppose that they have Houston’s shot selection. Remember how the Knicks had the highest ratio of mid-range points to restricted area points in any of the last 6 seasons. Houston has the second lowest such ratio of the same time frame. They trail only last season’s Rockets. While the 2014-15 Knicks seem to design their offense around getting the mid-range (and least efficient) shot, Houston tries very hard to avoid them.

To be clear, the current Knicks are 23rd in the league in eFG% (at approximately 48.5). If we keep the same shooting percentages and only alter their shot selection to mimic the Houston Rockets, the Knicks eFG% jumps to 52.2, which would be good enough for 6th in the league and only slightly behind the Dream Knicks who would have an eFG% of 53.6.

So, the Knicks have at least two paths to an efficient offense. They can keep their current shot selection as generated largely through the triangle offense and assemble the greatest shooting roster of all time. Or, they could alter their offensive strategy to be more consistent with everything we’ve learned through basketball analytics.

(All stats are courtesy of NBA.com and are current through the January 25th games.)

EnySpree wrote:This team is losing because they suck, not because of the offense they run. They don't play hard and refuse to play defense consistently. No leadership from the superstars on the team.

They didn't play hard against Toronto last night? It sure seemed like it.

CrushAlot wrote:

Shot Selection in the Knicks’ Triangle Offense
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By Stephen Shea, Ph.D.

The triangle offense has been incredibly successful in the NBA in the past. Phil Jackson famously implemented the triangle offense on championship teams in Chicago and Los Angeles. However, the NBA has changed significantly since Jackson last led a team to a title. Offenses now feature more perimeter shooters, and they station fewer bodies in the paint. They create more space for players to drive and cut down the lane. Today’s offenses are more influenced by analytics and have adapted to defensive rule changes. One has to wonder if the triangle offense will still be as successful as it once was.

The concern is shot selection.

We will analyze shots from six regions—the restricted area, the paint (but not the restricted area), mid-range, the left corner 3, the right corner 3, and the above-the-break 3. The league has the highest eFG% from the restricted area. The second highest eFG% is the corner 3. Not surprisingly then, many teams are striving to get more shots from those two high efficiency zones.

In contrast, the mid-range jump shot is the least efficient shot. Thus, teams are looking to take less shots from this area. That is, all teams follow this trend except the Knicks. The Knicks are getting .97 points from mid-range for every 1 point from the restricted area. That’s the highest such ratio in the NBA in 2015. In fact, it’s the most for any team in any season from 2009-10 through 2014-15.

Some might argue that we cannot evaluate the triangle offense based on these Knicks. These Knicks aren’t loaded with talent. One might suggest that we shouldn’t dismiss the offensive system just because these Knicks can’t make their shots. So, let’s try an experiment. Let’s create the Dream 2014-15 Knicks. These Dream Knicks will still take the same number of shots from each region as the 2014-15 Knicks. However, these Dream Knicks will shoot the league best % from each region. These Dream Knicks will finish around the hoop like Blake Griffin and the Clippers. They’ll knock down mid-range and above-the-break jumpers like the Splash Brothers and Golden State. We’ll even assume they shoot 52.6% from the right corner 3, which if it held for a full season, would be the highest corner 3 % for any team in the last 10 years. We gave the Dream Knicks the league’s best field goal % from every region and then recalculated their eFG%. How do these Griffin-dunking, splash brothers shooting Dream Knicks rank in eFG%? They still don’t have the best eFG% in the league. They still aren’t getting as many points per shot as this season’s Warriors or Clippers.

Maybe I’m being too negative. There is some good news here. Assuming the Knicks current shot selection, if the Knicks could shoot the league’s best % from each region, they would be an above average offense. I guess that’s one road map to success—build a backcourt that shoots like Steph Curry and Klay Thompson and a front court that finishes at the hoop like DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin. The Knicks could do that….or they could ditch the triangle.

Let’s try another experiment. Let’s leave the Knicks’ shooting percentages as they are. Let’s suppose the Knicks finish like these Knicks—a team often believed to be considerably short on talent. Let’s now suppose that they have Houston’s shot selection. Remember how the Knicks had the highest ratio of mid-range points to restricted area points in any of the last 6 seasons. Houston has the second lowest such ratio of the same time frame. They trail only last season’s Rockets. While the 2014-15 Knicks seem to design their offense around getting the mid-range (and least efficient) shot, Houston tries very hard to avoid them.

To be clear, the current Knicks are 23rd in the league in eFG% (at approximately 48.5). If we keep the same shooting percentages and only alter their shot selection to mimic the Houston Rockets, the Knicks eFG% jumps to 52.2, which would be good enough for 6th in the league and only slightly behind the Dream Knicks who would have an eFG% of 53.6.

So, the Knicks have at least two paths to an efficient offense. They can keep their current shot selection as generated largely through the triangle offense and assemble the greatest shooting roster of all time. Or, they could alter their offensive strategy to be more consistent with everything we’ve learned through basketball analytics.

(All stats are courtesy of NBA.com and are current through the January 25th games.)

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This is a very smart article and perfectly illustrates the problem with the Triangle.

Read this article, people. If the 2014-15 Knicks - the 17 win Knicks! - shot the same percentages from the six areas of the floor, but shot them in the shot distribution the Rockets do... the 2014-15 Knicks - the 17 wins Knicks! - would have had the SIXTH BEST OFFENSE IN THE LEAGUE.

THE PROBLEM IS THE TRIANGLE.

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This team is losing because they suck, not because of the offense they run. They don't play hard and refuse to play defense consistently. No leadership from the superstars on the team.

They didn't play hard against Toronto last night? It sure seemed like it.

If they played like that every night we wouldnt be a lottery team. Seriously what was even the point of making that comment?

EnySpree wrote:This team is losing because they suck, not because of the offense they run. They don't play hard and refuse to play defense consistently. No leadership from the superstars on the team.

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This team is losing because they suck, not because of the offense they run. They don't play hard and refuse to play defense consistently. No leadership from the superstars on the team.

They didn't play hard against Toronto last night? It sure seemed like it.

If they played like that every night we wouldnt be a lottery team. Seriously what was even the point of making that comment?

You know how many games they've lost this year where people have said that?

Maybe the problem isn't the effort?

MAYBE IT'S THE TRIANGLE.

The article points out that because of WHERE the Knicks take their shots on the floor, they get the fewest points per shot possible. AKA WASTED EFFORT. Not too little effort. Wasted effort. The Triangle is putting them in the wrong spots to get the most points per shot.

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This team is losing because they suck, not because of the offense they run. They don't play hard and refuse to play defense consistently. No leadership from the superstars on the team.

They didn't play hard against Toronto last night? It sure seemed like it.

But it's not really about one game now is it. In general the Knicks are -3.2 on the season with one of the worst defenses in the league. Last night they defended better but didn't score like they normally do.

The Knicks are not going to run a pure Triangle offense. Hornacek still does have input in how the team plays overall. He still calls plays but wants the team to be able to know what to get into if no play is called or they need to reset. There's nothing wrong with that.

The Knicks under Hornacek are middle of the league in 3 point attempts at about 26 a game. That would be better if Rose and BJ were good 3 PT shooters. Triangle doesn't mean you don't get fast breaks or take open 3's.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This team is losing because they suck, not because of the offense they run. They don't play hard and refuse to play defense consistently. No leadership from the superstars on the team.

They didn't play hard against Toronto last night? It sure seemed like it.

But it's not really about one game now is it. In general the Knicks are -3.2 on the season with one of the worst defenses in the league. Last night they defended better but didn't score like they normally do.

The Knicks are not going to run a pure Triangle offense. Hornacek still does have input in how the team plays overall. He still calls plays but wants the team to be able to know what to get into if no play is called or they need to reset. There's nothing wrong with that.

The Knicks under Hornacek are middle of the league in 3 point attempts at about 26 a game. That would be better if Rose and BJ were good 3 PT shooters. Triangle doesn't mean you don't get fast breaks or take open 3's.

No, it's not about one game. It's about the Triangle. Read the article.

It's not about 3pt shots taken - it's about where you take them.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This team is losing because they suck, not because of the offense they run. They don't play hard and refuse to play defense consistently. No leadership from the superstars on the team.

They didn't play hard against Toronto last night? It sure seemed like it.

But it's not really about one game now is it. In general the Knicks are -3.2 on the season with one of the worst defenses in the league. Last night they defended better but didn't score like they normally do.

The Knicks are not going to run a pure Triangle offense. Hornacek still does have input in how the team plays overall. He still calls plays but wants the team to be able to know what to get into if no play is called or they need to reset. There's nothing wrong with that.

The Knicks under Hornacek are middle of the league in 3 point attempts at about 26 a game. That would be better if Rose and BJ were good 3 PT shooters. Triangle doesn't mean you don't get fast breaks or take open 3's.

No, it's not about one game. It's about the Triangle. Read the article.

It's not about 3pt shots taken - it's about where you take them.

yellowboy90 wrote:the offense is not the problem but Phil wants to alter the offense. Like they say, "if it's not broke, break it."

Many people around the league said the only reason Phil came here was because he was hellbent on proving the Triangle worked. Some Phil lovers here said hiring Hornacek proved that wasn't true. But now Hornacek is being forced to let Rambis teach the Triangle in practice.

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This team is losing because they suck, not because of the offense they run. They don't play hard and refuse to play defense consistently. No leadership from the superstars on the team.

They didn't play hard against Toronto last night? It sure seemed like it.

But it's not really about one game now is it. In general the Knicks are -3.2 on the season with one of the worst defenses in the league. Last night they defended better but didn't score like they normally do.

The Knicks are not going to run a pure Triangle offense. Hornacek still does have input in how the team plays overall. He still calls plays but wants the team to be able to know what to get into if no play is called or they need to reset. There's nothing wrong with that.

The Knicks under Hornacek are middle of the league in 3 point attempts at about 26 a game. That would be better if Rose and BJ were good 3 PT shooters. Triangle doesn't mean you don't get fast breaks or take open 3's.

No, it's not about one game. It's about the Triangle. Read the article.

It's not about 3pt shots taken - it's about where you take them.

See bolded.

I've read the article before. Still doesn't address the fact that we played with Rose and BJ who are not 3 Point shooters! That's a huge issue. Also the Knicks are 15th in 3pt % at 36%. Rose n BJ aren't exactly helping that! Mostly Rose.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This team is losing because they suck, not because of the offense they run. They don't play hard and refuse to play defense consistently. No leadership from the superstars on the team.

They didn't play hard against Toronto last night? It sure seemed like it.

But it's not really about one game now is it. In general the Knicks are -3.2 on the season with one of the worst defenses in the league. Last night they defended better but didn't score like they normally do.

The Knicks are not going to run a pure Triangle offense. Hornacek still does have input in how the team plays overall. He still calls plays but wants the team to be able to know what to get into if no play is called or they need to reset. There's nothing wrong with that.

The Knicks under Hornacek are middle of the league in 3 point attempts at about 26 a game. That would be better if Rose and BJ were good 3 PT shooters. Triangle doesn't mean you don't get fast breaks or take open 3's.

No, it's not about one game. It's about the Triangle. Read the article.

It's not about 3pt shots taken - it's about where you take them.

See bolded.

I've read the article before. Still doesn't address the fact that we played with Rose and BJ who are not 3 Point shooters! That's a huge issue. Also the Knicks are 15th in 3pt % at 36%. Rose n BJ aren't exactly helping that! Mostly Rose.

It's not about their shooting percentage. It's about guys shooting too many low value mid range jumpers. Not enough corner threes. Rose can get to the rim at will. That's a good skill and could be utilized better with a better offense. Say a pick and roll heavy offense with Willy Hernangomez setting picks and Melo, KP, and CLee shooting threes. We've never even seen them try that.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This team is losing because they suck, not because of the offense they run. They don't play hard and refuse to play defense consistently. No leadership from the superstars on the team.

They didn't play hard against Toronto last night? It sure seemed like it.

But it's not really about one game now is it. In general the Knicks are -3.2 on the season with one of the worst defenses in the league. Last night they defended better but didn't score like they normally do.

The Knicks are not going to run a pure Triangle offense. Hornacek still does have input in how the team plays overall. He still calls plays but wants the team to be able to know what to get into if no play is called or they need to reset. There's nothing wrong with that.

The Knicks under Hornacek are middle of the league in 3 point attempts at about 26 a game. That would be better if Rose and BJ were good 3 PT shooters. Triangle doesn't mean you don't get fast breaks or take open 3's.

No, it's not about one game. It's about the Triangle. Read the article.

It's not about 3pt shots taken - it's about where you take them.

See bolded.

I've read the article before. Still doesn't address the fact that we played with Rose and BJ who are not 3 Point shooters! That's a huge issue. Also the Knicks are 15th in 3pt % at 36%. Rose n BJ aren't exactly helping that! Mostly Rose.

It's not about their shooting percentage. It's about guys shooting too many low value mid range jumpers. Not enough corner threes. Rose can get to the rim at will. That's a good skill and could be utilized better with a better offense. Say a pick and roll heavy offense with Willy Hernangomez setting picks and Melo, KP, and CLee shooting threes. We've never even seen them try that.

Knicks are getting corner 3's!!! They don't get enough 3's from Rose who is often wide open!!! Like I said the Knicks are not bad in terms of 3pt attempts or 3pt % but they would be better once they upgrade the talent at PG with better 3pt shooting. Derek Fisher LIVED off the corner 3! It's literally a staple of the Triangle for the PG! Rose doesn't do that.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This team is losing because they suck, not because of the offense they run. They don't play hard and refuse to play defense consistently. No leadership from the superstars on the team.

They didn't play hard against Toronto last night? It sure seemed like it.

But it's not really about one game now is it. In general the Knicks are -3.2 on the season with one of the worst defenses in the league. Last night they defended better but didn't score like they normally do.

The Knicks are not going to run a pure Triangle offense. Hornacek still does have input in how the team plays overall. He still calls plays but wants the team to be able to know what to get into if no play is called or they need to reset. There's nothing wrong with that.

The Knicks under Hornacek are middle of the league in 3 point attempts at about 26 a game. That would be better if Rose and BJ were good 3 PT shooters. Triangle doesn't mean you don't get fast breaks or take open 3's.

No, it's not about one game. It's about the Triangle. Read the article.

It's not about 3pt shots taken - it's about where you take them.

See bolded.

I've read the article before. Still doesn't address the fact that we played with Rose and BJ who are not 3 Point shooters! That's a huge issue. Also the Knicks are 15th in 3pt % at 36%. Rose n BJ aren't exactly helping that! Mostly Rose.

It's not about their shooting percentage. It's about guys shooting too many low value mid range jumpers. Not enough corner threes. Rose can get to the rim at will. That's a good skill and could be utilized better with a better offense. Say a pick and roll heavy offense with Willy Hernangomez setting picks and Melo, KP, and CLee shooting threes. We've never even seen them try that.

Knicks are getting corner 3's!!! They don't get enough 3's from Rose who is often wide open!!! Like I said the Knicks are not bad in terms of 3pt attempts or 3pt % but they would be better once they upgrade the talent at PG with better 3pt shooting. Derek Fisher LIVED off the corner 3! It's literally a staple of the Triangle for the PG! Rose doesn't do that.

It's not his game. If Phil didn't know that when he traded for him he's an idiot. Try maximizing the talents of the players you signed and traded for instead of trying to force them to be something they're not. If Phil didn't want a pg who did what rose does he shouldn't have traded for him. It's not really that complicated. You can't go out and get a ten year vet and then act surprised by what you get. Watch some tape.

First, it only discusses offense. We are losing because of poor D. In theory the triangle should help us be in better position for transition D. It should also help w our rebounding and give us more shot attempts (which in theory are more important than a marginal increase in eFG% -- do the math)

Second it assumes that the Knicks shot selection is the expected shot selection for the system. As Nix points out we are not, or may not, be taking as many 3s as the system SHOULd provide. I suspect we're also taking more contested midrange. Ie it's not just who is shooting but where they're settling for shots

All in all though it's very thought provoking.

One last point copying another team's approach (e.g. GS) may help one improve but should be seriously questioned as a recipe for big success. How will you get better than GS. Will you be able to amass better talent than they did? Will you be able to amass commensurate talent but somehow execute their plan better than they do?

In short triangle may have issues. But so does copying when the goal is to win big

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This team is losing because they suck, not because of the offense they run. They don't play hard and refuse to play defense consistently. No leadership from the superstars on the team.

They didn't play hard against Toronto last night? It sure seemed like it.

But it's not really about one game now is it. In general the Knicks are -3.2 on the season with one of the worst defenses in the league. Last night they defended better but didn't score like they normally do.

The Knicks are not going to run a pure Triangle offense. Hornacek still does have input in how the team plays overall. He still calls plays but wants the team to be able to know what to get into if no play is called or they need to reset. There's nothing wrong with that.

The Knicks under Hornacek are middle of the league in 3 point attempts at about 26 a game. That would be better if Rose and BJ were good 3 PT shooters. Triangle doesn't mean you don't get fast breaks or take open 3's.

No, it's not about one game. It's about the Triangle. Read the article.

It's not about 3pt shots taken - it's about where you take them.

See bolded.

I've read the article before. Still doesn't address the fact that we played with Rose and BJ who are not 3 Point shooters! That's a huge issue. Also the Knicks are 15th in 3pt % at 36%. Rose n BJ aren't exactly helping that! Mostly Rose.

It's not about their shooting percentage. It's about guys shooting too many low value mid range jumpers. Not enough corner threes. Rose can get to the rim at will. That's a good skill and could be utilized better with a better offense. Say a pick and roll heavy offense with Willy Hernangomez setting picks and Melo, KP, and CLee shooting threes. We've never even seen them try that.

Knicks are getting corner 3's!!! They don't get enough 3's from Rose who is often wide open!!! Like I said the Knicks are not bad in terms of 3pt attempts or 3pt % but they would be better once they upgrade the talent at PG with better 3pt shooting. Derek Fisher LIVED off the corner 3! It's literally a staple of the Triangle for the PG! Rose doesn't do that.

It's not his game. If Phil didn't know that when he traded for him he's an idiot. Try maximizing the talents of the players you signed and traded for instead of trying to force them to be something they're not. If Phil didn't want a pg who did what rose does he shouldn't have traded for him. It's not really that complicated. You can't go out and get a ten year vet and then act surprised by what you get. Watch some tape.

You're talking like Phil committed long term to Rose! This was an audition and a low risk attempt to see if they could win with Rose. It started out well but we needed a sustained effort and willingness to buy in but Rose couldn't do it. Phil couldn't know Rose would go AWOL or not buy in fully. You take a shot knowing there's no long term risk.

Now Phil can go draft or sign players that fit what he thinks the team needs. He had to wait for this summer to do this since he didn't have a pick and this is a new crop of free agents!!!

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This team is losing because they suck, not because of the offense they run. They don't play hard and refuse to play defense consistently. No leadership from the superstars on the team.

They didn't play hard against Toronto last night? It sure seemed like it.

But it's not really about one game now is it. In general the Knicks are -3.2 on the season with one of the worst defenses in the league. Last night they defended better but didn't score like they normally do.

The Knicks are not going to run a pure Triangle offense. Hornacek still does have input in how the team plays overall. He still calls plays but wants the team to be able to know what to get into if no play is called or they need to reset. There's nothing wrong with that.

The Knicks under Hornacek are middle of the league in 3 point attempts at about 26 a game. That would be better if Rose and BJ were good 3 PT shooters. Triangle doesn't mean you don't get fast breaks or take open 3's.

Are justifying a offense that has result in 3 straight losing season despite 48 different players playing in it.

It's like your disregarding the fact that no in the NBA, College, overseas, d league, ymca, CBA, or anywhere on the basketball planet that is running this offense.

JH just said in his own words that they will be primarily running phil Jackson beloved triangle. Why are you in denial. Every single analysis, media outlet, coach and gm in the league has said the system is out dated, and WTF is phil doing.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This team is losing because they suck, not because of the offense they run. They don't play hard and refuse to play defense consistently. No leadership from the superstars on the team.

They didn't play hard against Toronto last night? It sure seemed like it.

But it's not really about one game now is it. In general the Knicks are -3.2 on the season with one of the worst defenses in the league. Last night they defended better but didn't score like they normally do.

The Knicks are not going to run a pure Triangle offense. Hornacek still does have input in how the team plays overall. He still calls plays but wants the team to be able to know what to get into if no play is called or they need to reset. There's nothing wrong with that.

The Knicks under Hornacek are middle of the league in 3 point attempts at about 26 a game. That would be better if Rose and BJ were good 3 PT shooters. Triangle doesn't mean you don't get fast breaks or take open 3's.

No, it's not about one game. It's about the Triangle. Read the article.

It's not about 3pt shots taken - it's about where you take them.

See bolded.

I've read the article before. Still doesn't address the fact that we played with Rose and BJ who are not 3 Point shooters! That's a huge issue. Also the Knicks are 15th in 3pt % at 36%. Rose n BJ aren't exactly helping that! Mostly Rose.

It's not about their shooting percentage. It's about guys shooting too many low value mid range jumpers. Not enough corner threes. Rose can get to the rim at will. That's a good skill and could be utilized better with a better offense. Say a pick and roll heavy offense with Willy Hernangomez setting picks and Melo, KP, and CLee shooting threes. We've never even seen them try that.

Knicks are getting corner 3's!!! They don't get enough 3's from Rose who is often wide open!!! Like I said the Knicks are not bad in terms of 3pt attempts or 3pt % but they would be better once they upgrade the talent at PG with better 3pt shooting. Derek Fisher LIVED off the corner 3! It's literally a staple of the Triangle for the PG! Rose doesn't do that.