Hard to comprehend that Minny picked Rubio, Lawson and Flynn ahead of Steph Curry. But that is the gist of hindsight! And Phil got to make 1 pick in 3 years, and they made it count.
If Tatum is there you grab him. He's more athletic than Melo and if you can find someone who can fill the 3 for years and a potential all star with superior handle, grab him. Tatum Willy KP Lee and Lance, Noah, Baker, Randle. My assumption is Rose, Holiday, OQuinn, and Melo are history.
meloshouldgo wrote:Hard to comprehend that Minny picked Rubio, Lawson and Flynn ahead of Steph Curry. But that is the gist of hindsight! And Phil got to make 1 pick in 3 years, and they made it count.
Lawson was picked in the late teens but I get your point. David Kahn was a jackass...and I'm not goo sure that Phil isn't too far behind.
Seriously, WTF are we still winning games for? We legitimately have a chance to have one of the top 4 worze records in the league and a decent shot at no.1 overall. A Markelle Fultz with KP is the groundwork for a perennial contender and we're pissing it away!
Bad win tonight...I hate Indy as much as anyone, and this game shows that they are not a special team and that the East is pretty weak, but good golly, we needed to lose this game.
NardDogNation wrote:Seriously, WTF are we still winning games for? We legitimately have a chance to have one of the top 4 worze records in the league and a decent shot at no.1 overall. A Markelle Fultz with KP is the groundwork for a perennial contender and we're pissing it away!
It's just ineptitude on epic scales. Like nobody knows what they are doing. There is no accountability whatsoever. Jackson is paid a MILLION $ a month and has no cohesive plan. We should be ensuring however it is achieved we lose virtually every game and this was certainly one to add to the loss column. Instead we mount a fucking meaningless fight back so that Melo can pad his stats. Just horrendous management. We actually deserve to be shit for eternity and mark my words these wins are going to cost us big time AGAIN. We are destined for years more mediocrity due to these complete clowns.
WaltLongmire wrote:Bad win tonight...I hate Indy as much as anyone, and this game shows that they are not a special team and that the East is pretty weak, but good golly, we needed to lose this game.
Worse is that Nets are up next and we'll probably be looking for revenge.
Would also be the first 2 game win streak since December.
If we win that, watch this team start talking about making the playoff push again
I have been of the impression that the Knicks do really want to win at home. I think it's probably not gonna bother the brass to lose on the road but those home games losses are kind of tough to stomach. Just a theory that of all the remaining games the Knicks will try the hardest to get some wins at home. They may win the next one too. The Nets coming to the Garden looks like a MAX effort game from the Knicks. After that I think the losses will start to pile up again.
nixluva wrote:I have been of the impression that the Knicks do really want to win at home. I think it's probably not gonna bother the brass to lose on the road but those home games losses are kind of tough to stomach. Just a theory that of all the remaining games the Knicks will try the hardest to get some wins at home. They may win the next one too. The Nets coming to the Garden looks like a MAX effort game from the Knicks. After that I think the losses will start to pile up again.
If that's true, and I think it is, we'll likely see this team hit 32 wins - a repeat of last year.
Could likely be in the 10th position. That was where I always thought we'd end up since the tank became obvious.
We're just too talented not too win these home games. We also have players with some pride (which is a good thing).
magicTs wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Seriously, WTF are we still winning games for? We legitimately have a chance to have one of the top 4 worze records in the league and a decent shot at no.1 overall. A Markelle Fultz with KP is the groundwork for a perennial contender and we're pissing it away!
It's just ineptitude on epic scales. Like nobody knows what they are doing. There is no accountability whatsoever. Jackson is paid a MILLION $ a month and has no cohesive plan. We should be ensuring however it is achieved we lose virtually ever game and this was certainly one to add to the loss column. Instead we mount a fucking meaningless fight back so that Melo can pad his stats. Just horrendous management. We actually deserve to be shit for eternity and mark my words these wins are going to cost us big time AGAIN. We are destined for years more mediocrity due to these complete clowns.
I want us to lose, but there is no way the guys on the court are going to dial back.
A guy like Rose is playing for a contract, while people like Baker and Randle are playing for future existence in the NBA. Willy loves to play...and is now able to strut his stuff with extended minutes.
Players play, and if they're on the court they want to win.
To be honest...the game showed how poor Indy is. No way they should lose to us.
magicTs wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Seriously, WTF are we still winning games for? We legitimately have a chance to have one of the top 4 worze records in the league and a decent shot at no.1 overall. A Markelle Fultz with KP is the groundwork for a perennial contender and we're pissing it away!
It's just ineptitude on epic scales. Like nobody knows what they are doing. There is no accountability whatsoever. Jackson is paid a MILLION $ a month and has no cohesive plan. We should be ensuring however it is achieved we lose virtually ever game and this was certainly one to add to the loss column. Instead we mount a fucking meaningless fight back so that Melo can pad his stats. Just horrendous management. We actually deserve to be shit for eternity and mark my words these wins are going to cost us big time AGAIN. We are destined for years more mediocrity due to these complete clowns.
It kills me that teams like the Lakers have already benched all their vets to "get a look at" their young players aka tank, yet we're pointlessly trying to save face.
Everyone knows we're also trying to move Melo, yet we're playing him big minutes and are running the possibility of destroying his trade value if he gets injured. Then we'll really be stuck with him, which is an evem worse alternative than keeping him around and hindering the growth of our youth. I swear, none of what we're doing makes sense!
As for Phil, we could havs bought the entire OKC front office for his annual salary alone. I think Presti only makes $5 million per and we know all his assistants probably don't come close to a fifth of that salary wise. Just imagine how much better our franchise would be run with a competent team like that one...yet we've opted for a significantly worse alternative at nearly double the price!
NardDogNation wrote:magicTs wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Seriously, WTF are we still winning games for? We legitimately have a chance to have one of the top 4 worze records in the league and a decent shot at no.1 overall. A Markelle Fultz with KP is the groundwork for a perennial contender and we're pissing it away!
It's just ineptitude on epic scales. Like nobody knows what they are doing. There is no accountability whatsoever. Jackson is paid a MILLION $ a month and has no cohesive plan. We should be ensuring however it is achieved we lose virtually ever game and this was certainly one to add to the loss column. Instead we mount a fucking meaningless fight back so that Melo can pad his stats. Just horrendous management. We actually deserve to be shit for eternity and mark my words these wins are going to cost us big time AGAIN. We are destined for years more mediocrity due to these complete clowns.
It kills me that teams like the Lakers have already benched all their vets to "get a look at" their young players aka tank, yet we're pointlessly trying to save face.
Everyone knows we're also trying to move Melo, yet we're playing him big minutes and are running the possibility of destroying his trade value if he gets injured. Then we'll really be stuck with him, which is an evem worse alternative than keeping him around and hindering the growth of our youth. I swear, none of what we're doing makes sense!
As for Phil, we could havs bought the entire OKC front office for his annual salary alone. I think Presti only makes $5 million per and we know all his assistants probably don't come close to a fifth of that salary wise. Just imagine how much better our franchise would be run with a competent team like that one...yet we've opted for a significantly worse alternative at nearly double the price!
Presti's entire game has been about the draft. He got Durant (and lost him because he could put together a winner) and Westbrook through the draft. Harden as well.
Presti is better than Phil. No doubt.
But tell me what Presti does with 1 lottery pick (1 first rounder) to work in 3 years. Please tell me this great plan Presti did in Seattle/OKC where he made them a winner without drafting superstar talent in the draft.
WaltLongmire wrote:magicTs wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Seriously, WTF are we still winning games for? We legitimately have a chance to have one of the top 4 worze records in the league and a decent shot at no.1 overall. A Markelle Fultz with KP is the groundwork for a perennial contender and we're pissing it away!
It's just ineptitude on epic scales. Like nobody knows what they are doing. There is no accountability whatsoever. Jackson is paid a MILLION $ a month and has no cohesive plan. We should be ensuring however it is achieved we lose virtually ever game and this was certainly one to add to the loss column. Instead we mount a fucking meaningless fight back so that Melo can pad his stats. Just horrendous management. We actually deserve to be shit for eternity and mark my words these wins are going to cost us big time AGAIN. We are destined for years more mediocrity due to these complete clowns.
I want us to lose, but there is no way the guys on the court are going to dial back.
A guy like Rose is playing for a contract, while people like Baker and Randle are playing for future existence in the NBA. Willy loves to play...and is now able to strut his stuff with extended minutes.
Players play, and if they're on the court they want to win.
To be honest...the game showed how poor Indy is. No way they should lose to us.
Rose can go fuck himself. We shouldn't even be giving him the game time to play for a contract. He's done nothing for us why do anything for him.
nyknickzingis wrote:NardDogNation wrote:magicTs wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Seriously, WTF are we still winning games for? We legitimately have a chance to have one of the top 4 worze records in the league and a decent shot at no.1 overall. A Markelle Fultz with KP is the groundwork for a perennial contender and we're pissing it away!
It's just ineptitude on epic scales. Like nobody knows what they are doing. There is no accountability whatsoever. Jackson is paid a MILLION $ a month and has no cohesive plan. We should be ensuring however it is achieved we lose virtually ever game and this was certainly one to add to the loss column. Instead we mount a fucking meaningless fight back so that Melo can pad his stats. Just horrendous management. We actually deserve to be shit for eternity and mark my words these wins are going to cost us big time AGAIN. We are destined for years more mediocrity due to these complete clowns.
It kills me that teams like the Lakers have already benched all their vets to "get a look at" their young players aka tank, yet we're pointlessly trying to save face.
Everyone knows we're also trying to move Melo, yet we're playing him big minutes and are running the possibility of destroying his trade value if he gets injured. Then we'll really be stuck with him, which is an evem worse alternative than keeping him around and hindering the growth of our youth. I swear, none of what we're doing makes sense!
As for Phil, we could havs bought the entire OKC front office for his annual salary alone. I think Presti only makes $5 million per and we know all his assistants probably don't come close to a fifth of that salary wise. Just imagine how much better our franchise would be run with a competent team like that one...yet we've opted for a significantly worse alternative at nearly double the price!
Presti's entire game has been about the draft. He got Durant (and lost him because he could put together a winner) and Westbrook through the draft. Harden as well.Presti is better than Phil. No doubt.
But tell me what Presti does with 1 lottery pick (1 first rounder) to work in 3 years. Please tell me this great plan Presti did in Seattle/OKC where he made them a winner without drafting superstar talent in the draft.
Presti has been there ten years and he has had three coaches. I think he inherited Carilismo and he was gone after his first year so it is almost like he only had two guys. He supports his coaches and gives them autonomy. That would be a great first step.
nyknickzingis wrote:NardDogNation wrote:magicTs wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Seriously, WTF are we still winning games for? We legitimately have a chance to have one of the top 4 worze records in the league and a decent shot at no.1 overall. A Markelle Fultz with KP is the groundwork for a perennial contender and we're pissing it away!
It's just ineptitude on epic scales. Like nobody knows what they are doing. There is no accountability whatsoever. Jackson is paid a MILLION $ a month and has no cohesive plan. We should be ensuring however it is achieved we lose virtually ever game and this was certainly one to add to the loss column. Instead we mount a fucking meaningless fight back so that Melo can pad his stats. Just horrendous management. We actually deserve to be shit for eternity and mark my words these wins are going to cost us big time AGAIN. We are destined for years more mediocrity due to these complete clowns.
It kills me that teams like the Lakers have already benched all their vets to "get a look at" their young players aka tank, yet we're pointlessly trying to save face.
Everyone knows we're also trying to move Melo, yet we're playing him big minutes and are running the possibility of destroying his trade value if he gets injured. Then we'll really be stuck with him, which is an evem worse alternative than keeping him around and hindering the growth of our youth. I swear, none of what we're doing makes sense!
As for Phil, we could havs bought the entire OKC front office for his annual salary alone. I think Presti only makes $5 million per and we know all his assistants probably don't come close to a fifth of that salary wise. Just imagine how much better our franchise would be run with a competent team like that one...yet we've opted for a significantly worse alternative at nearly double the price!
Presti's entire game has been about the draft. He got Durant (and lost him because he could put together a winner) and Westbrook through the draft. Harden as well.Presti is better than Phil. No doubt.
But tell me what Presti does with 1 lottery pick (1 first rounder) to work in 3 years. Please tell me this great plan Presti did in Seattle/OKC where he made them a winner without drafting superstar talent in the draft.
and let's put this into perspective: Presti LOST Durant, traded away Ibaka for not very much and also traded Harden for nada.
nyknickzingis wrote:NardDogNation wrote:magicTs wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Seriously, WTF are we still winning games for? We legitimately have a chance to have one of the top 4 worze records in the league and a decent shot at no.1 overall. A Markelle Fultz with KP is the groundwork for a perennial contender and we're pissing it away!
It's just ineptitude on epic scales. Like nobody knows what they are doing. There is no accountability whatsoever. Jackson is paid a MILLION $ a month and has no cohesive plan. We should be ensuring however it is achieved we lose virtually ever game and this was certainly one to add to the loss column. Instead we mount a fucking meaningless fight back so that Melo can pad his stats. Just horrendous management. We actually deserve to be shit for eternity and mark my words these wins are going to cost us big time AGAIN. We are destined for years more mediocrity due to these complete clowns.
It kills me that teams like the Lakers have already benched all their vets to "get a look at" their young players aka tank, yet we're pointlessly trying to save face.
Everyone knows we're also trying to move Melo, yet we're playing him big minutes and are running the possibility of destroying his trade value if he gets injured. Then we'll really be stuck with him, which is an evem worse alternative than keeping him around and hindering the growth of our youth. I swear, none of what we're doing makes sense!
As for Phil, we could havs bought the entire OKC front office for his annual salary alone. I think Presti only makes $5 million per and we know all his assistants probably don't come close to a fifth of that salary wise. Just imagine how much better our franchise would be run with a competent team like that one...yet we've opted for a significantly worse alternative at nearly double the price!
Presti's entire game has been about the draft. He got Durant (and lost him because he could put together a winner) and Westbrook through the draft. Harden as well.Presti is better than Phil. No doubt.
But tell me what Presti does with 1 lottery pick (1 first rounder) to work in 3 years. Please tell me this great plan Presti did in Seattle/OKC where he made them a winner without drafting superstar talent in the draft.
He's shown the ability to acquire first round picks and made a name for himself early in his career of stockpiling first round picks. It's how he managed to get a pick to select guys like Serge Ibaka, Jeff Green, Eric Maynor, etc. I also think he's smart enough NOT to commit massive money or assets to guys like Joakim Noah and Derrick Rose.
magicTs wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:magicTs wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Seriously, WTF are we still winning games for? We legitimately have a chance to have one of the top 4 worze records in the league and a decent shot at no.1 overall. A Markelle Fultz with KP is the groundwork for a perennial contender and we're pissing it away!
It's just ineptitude on epic scales. Like nobody knows what they are doing. There is no accountability whatsoever. Jackson is paid a MILLION $ a month and has no cohesive plan. We should be ensuring however it is achieved we lose virtually ever game and this was certainly one to add to the loss column. Instead we mount a fucking meaningless fight back so that Melo can pad his stats. Just horrendous management. We actually deserve to be shit for eternity and mark my words these wins are going to cost us big time AGAIN. We are destined for years more mediocrity due to these complete clowns.
I want us to lose, but there is no way the guys on the court are going to dial back.
A guy like Rose is playing for a contract, while people like Baker and Randle are playing for future existence in the NBA. Willy loves to play...and is now able to strut his stuff with extended minutes.
Players play, and if they're on the court they want to win.
To be honest...the game showed how poor Indy is. No way they should lose to us.
Rose can go fuck himself. We shouldn't even be giving him the game time to play for a contract. He's done nothing for us why do anything for him.
Rose helps the tank. Play him as much as possible. Melo's the guy we should bench because we're a better team with him and need to protect his health should we decide to waive his NTC.
martin wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:NardDogNation wrote:magicTs wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Seriously, WTF are we still winning games for? We legitimately have a chance to have one of the top 4 worze records in the league and a decent shot at no.1 overall. A Markelle Fultz with KP is the groundwork for a perennial contender and we're pissing it away!
It's just ineptitude on epic scales. Like nobody knows what they are doing. There is no accountability whatsoever. Jackson is paid a MILLION $ a month and has no cohesive plan. We should be ensuring however it is achieved we lose virtually ever game and this was certainly one to add to the loss column. Instead we mount a fucking meaningless fight back so that Melo can pad his stats. Just horrendous management. We actually deserve to be shit for eternity and mark my words these wins are going to cost us big time AGAIN. We are destined for years more mediocrity due to these complete clowns.
It kills me that teams like the Lakers have already benched all their vets to "get a look at" their young players aka tank, yet we're pointlessly trying to save face.
Everyone knows we're also trying to move Melo, yet we're playing him big minutes and are running the possibility of destroying his trade value if he gets injured. Then we'll really be stuck with him, which is an evem worse alternative than keeping him around and hindering the growth of our youth. I swear, none of what we're doing makes sense!
As for Phil, we could havs bought the entire OKC front office for his annual salary alone. I think Presti only makes $5 million per and we know all his assistants probably don't come close to a fifth of that salary wise. Just imagine how much better our franchise would be run with a competent team like that one...yet we've opted for a significantly worse alternative at nearly double the price!
Presti's entire game has been about the draft. He got Durant (and lost him because he could put together a winner) and Westbrook through the draft. Harden as well.Presti is better than Phil. No doubt.
But tell me what Presti does with 1 lottery pick (1 first rounder) to work in 3 years. Please tell me this great plan Presti did in Seattle/OKC where he made them a winner without drafting superstar talent in the draft.
and let's put this into perspective: Presti LOST Durant, traded away Ibaka for not very much and also traded Harden for nada.
How did Presti lose Durant? He built a roster around him that was one game away from advancing to the Finals, for the 2nd time in 7 years!
Serge Ibaka had been terrible for much of the year, yet Presti managed to get one of the better perimeter defenders in the league and a lottery pick for him. That was a major win for OKC, especially since all ORL- who gave up on Ibaka after a couple months- could get for him was an inferior perimeter player and inferior pick by comparison.
And moving Harden was not Presti's choice. He would've kept him had management not been cheapskates and been willing to pay the luxury tax. And the trade they made involving Harden got them Steve Adams back, who is one of the better big men in the league. What was a better alternative in retrospect?
