Knicks · The smaller moves the smarter moves (page 3)
newyorker4ever wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:It certainly will be interesting. Young guys on the bubble in my opinion, Kuz, Holiday, Ndour. I think O'Quinn probably gets traded. Does Phil go draft and stash with the two second round picks? Is Rose brought back. I don't think anything is set. I hope the Knicks don't have 5 centers on the roster next year and I would like to see Sasha leave or join the coaching staff.knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:Wow... I totally thought this was going to be a Seth Curry plug.That being said I not only agree but would take it a step further. Look to move Melo this offseason and go into next offseason with substantial cap space. I would not bring Rose back either. Go with Randle, Baker, whoever we draft and can bring in. Develop a real young core of players. Keep the cap space. The real offseason is after next year, where the Knicks will have KP, Willy and this year's pick under rookie deals. Ideally you look to sell a pair of elite FAs to play with KP/Willy/prospect etc...
If the Knicks execute this offseason they could be looking at a liquid roster of good young players and over $50mm in cap space. Of course that puts Phil and "execute" in the same sentence. Hopefully we get another KP type player. Plenty of boos followed by great play
I WISH you and other people would stop saying this, because you make it seem like management holds the cards.. It's like saying if we can get trump out of office by the end of the year will be a better country.
It should be "IF melo waives his NTC" which all signs are pointing to him NOT doing that.
I think Melo might waive his NTC if Phil makes it clear he's going to focus on a youth movement. Melo should seriously consider a better situation for him to win now.
But a all out youth movement who take years upon years. Phil has already use 46 different players in 3 seasons. The most in the NBA in the same time frame. The goal is to find out what melo wants to do?
small moves are the better option
First off no one said anything about a FULL ON youth movement. This ain't Philly! This team has some vets but a New Wave of young players are on the way! I don't know how this hasn't sunk into your view of what is happening with this team. IMO this team is going to get younger this summer and that is only the logical thing to do.
It's not likely that Phil will completely strip the team again. It's not necessary at this point. However, I don't expect anymore old vet signings like we did last summer.
I am pretty high on Kuz, he needs consistent minutes and some plays called for him. He basically needs confidence. He is the best at moving without the ball that I have seen from any Knick in many many years. He is long lean and fluid and I think he is also very competitive. I definitely hope we keep him. He should be our starting SF next season, heck I think he should start for the rest of this season as well. Bring Melo off the bench. The "threeuro frontline" - there I coined it.
That's a lot of love for Kuz who hasn't really been all that good especially the last month or so. I like him but he's definitely not starter material. I'm actually surprised that some of you are saying you wouldn't re-sign J.Holiday. I really like him and he's the one that should be getting more playing time. He play both sides of the floor and would love to see him, C.Lee and L.Thomas on the floor more together in small ball lineups.
He is not a starter on a good team. On a rebuilding team people like him should be allowed to start to see what they can bring and if they can develop different facets of their game to meet the NBA skill test. Not all draft picks or FA signings will be made to order starters. We need to develop players - In his case he should play more D and hit his 3pointers consistently. We will need to have a good SF (Starter or backup) depending on what we draft.
I definitely want Justin and Lee back
Whether Melo moves is immaterial, we just shouldn't plan anything that includes him.
meloshouldgo wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:It certainly will be interesting. Young guys on the bubble in my opinion, Kuz, Holiday, Ndour. I think O'Quinn probably gets traded. Does Phil go draft and stash with the two second round picks? Is Rose brought back. I don't think anything is set. I hope the Knicks don't have 5 centers on the roster next year and I would like to see Sasha leave or join the coaching staff.knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:Wow... I totally thought this was going to be a Seth Curry plug.That being said I not only agree but would take it a step further. Look to move Melo this offseason and go into next offseason with substantial cap space. I would not bring Rose back either. Go with Randle, Baker, whoever we draft and can bring in. Develop a real young core of players. Keep the cap space. The real offseason is after next year, where the Knicks will have KP, Willy and this year's pick under rookie deals. Ideally you look to sell a pair of elite FAs to play with KP/Willy/prospect etc...
If the Knicks execute this offseason they could be looking at a liquid roster of good young players and over $50mm in cap space. Of course that puts Phil and "execute" in the same sentence. Hopefully we get another KP type player. Plenty of boos followed by great play
I WISH you and other people would stop saying this, because you make it seem like management holds the cards.. It's like saying if we can get trump out of office by the end of the year will be a better country.
It should be "IF melo waives his NTC" which all signs are pointing to him NOT doing that.
I think Melo might waive his NTC if Phil makes it clear he's going to focus on a youth movement. Melo should seriously consider a better situation for him to win now.
But a all out youth movement who take years upon years. Phil has already use 46 different players in 3 seasons. The most in the NBA in the same time frame. The goal is to find out what melo wants to do?
small moves are the better option
First off no one said anything about a FULL ON youth movement. This ain't Philly! This team has some vets but a New Wave of young players are on the way! I don't know how this hasn't sunk into your view of what is happening with this team. IMO this team is going to get younger this summer and that is only the logical thing to do.
It's not likely that Phil will completely strip the team again. It's not necessary at this point. However, I don't expect anymore old vet signings like we did last summer.
I am pretty high on Kuz, he needs consistent minutes and some plays called for him. He basically needs confidence. He is the best at moving without the ball that I have seen from any Knick in many many years. He is long lean and fluid and I think he is also very competitive. I definitely hope we keep him. He should be our starting SF next season, heck I think he should start for the rest of this season as well. Bring Melo off the bench. The "threeuro frontline" - there I coined it.
That's a lot of love for Kuz who hasn't really been all that good especially the last month or so. I like him but he's definitely not starter material. I'm actually surprised that some of you are saying you wouldn't re-sign J.Holiday. I really like him and he's the one that should be getting more playing time. He play both sides of the floor and would love to see him, C.Lee and L.Thomas on the floor more together in small ball lineups.
He is not a starter on a good team. On a rebuilding team people like him should be allowed to start to see what they can bring and if they can develop different facets of their game to meet the NBA skill test. Not all draft picks or FA signings will be made to order starters. We need to develop players - In his case he should play more D and hit his 3pointers consistently. We will need to have a good SF (Starter or backup) depending on what we draft.
I definitely want Justin and Lee back
Whether Melo moves is immaterial, we just shouldn't plan anything that includes him.
Kuz is very likable. But he is 27. He is on a cheap deal but Rosen wasn't very positive about him and I assume he is speaking for Phil. Also, at the deadline Kuz was in a rumored trade to the Suns.
CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:It certainly will be interesting. Young guys on the bubble in my opinion, Kuz, Holiday, Ndour. I think O'Quinn probably gets traded. Does Phil go draft and stash with the two second round picks? Is Rose brought back. I don't think anything is set. I hope the Knicks don't have 5 centers on the roster next year and I would like to see Sasha leave or join the coaching staff.knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:Wow... I totally thought this was going to be a Seth Curry plug.That being said I not only agree but would take it a step further. Look to move Melo this offseason and go into next offseason with substantial cap space. I would not bring Rose back either. Go with Randle, Baker, whoever we draft and can bring in. Develop a real young core of players. Keep the cap space. The real offseason is after next year, where the Knicks will have KP, Willy and this year's pick under rookie deals. Ideally you look to sell a pair of elite FAs to play with KP/Willy/prospect etc...
If the Knicks execute this offseason they could be looking at a liquid roster of good young players and over $50mm in cap space. Of course that puts Phil and "execute" in the same sentence. Hopefully we get another KP type player. Plenty of boos followed by great play
I WISH you and other people would stop saying this, because you make it seem like management holds the cards.. It's like saying if we can get trump out of office by the end of the year will be a better country.
It should be "IF melo waives his NTC" which all signs are pointing to him NOT doing that.
I think Melo might waive his NTC if Phil makes it clear he's going to focus on a youth movement. Melo should seriously consider a better situation for him to win now.
But a all out youth movement who take years upon years. Phil has already use 46 different players in 3 seasons. The most in the NBA in the same time frame. The goal is to find out what melo wants to do?
small moves are the better option
First off no one said anything about a FULL ON youth movement. This ain't Philly! This team has some vets but a New Wave of young players are on the way! I don't know how this hasn't sunk into your view of what is happening with this team. IMO this team is going to get younger this summer and that is only the logical thing to do.
It's not likely that Phil will completely strip the team again. It's not necessary at this point. However, I don't expect anymore old vet signings like we did last summer.
I am pretty high on Kuz, he needs consistent minutes and some plays called for him. He basically needs confidence. He is the best at moving without the ball that I have seen from any Knick in many many years. He is long lean and fluid and I think he is also very competitive. I definitely hope we keep him. He should be our starting SF next season, heck I think he should start for the rest of this season as well. Bring Melo off the bench. The "threeuro frontline" - there I coined it.
That's a lot of love for Kuz who hasn't really been all that good especially the last month or so. I like him but he's definitely not starter material. I'm actually surprised that some of you are saying you wouldn't re-sign J.Holiday. I really like him and he's the one that should be getting more playing time. He play both sides of the floor and would love to see him, C.Lee and L.Thomas on the floor more together in small ball lineups.
He is not a starter on a good team. On a rebuilding team people like him should be allowed to start to see what they can bring and if they can develop different facets of their game to meet the NBA skill test. Not all draft picks or FA signings will be made to order starters. We need to develop players - In his case he should play more D and hit his 3pointers consistently. We will need to have a good SF (Starter or backup) depending on what we draft.
I definitely want Justin and Lee back
Whether Melo moves is immaterial, we just shouldn't plan anything that includes him.
Kuz is very likable. But he is 27. He is on a cheap deal but Rosen wasn't very positive about him and I assume he is speaking for Phil. Also, at the deadline Kuz was in a rumored trade to the Suns.
I have no idea how Phil views Kuz or even how Jeff views him. His salary is cheap so of course he will be on trade rumors, he is very moveable. He is 27, I get it but he is a second year player in the NBA - he may have waited too long, but I think he can still improve. I am just saying we give him a shot - start him for the rest of the season see what he can do. We are not making any commitments but we need to evaluate our talent at SF.
meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:It certainly will be interesting. Young guys on the bubble in my opinion, Kuz, Holiday, Ndour. I think O'Quinn probably gets traded. Does Phil go draft and stash with the two second round picks? Is Rose brought back. I don't think anything is set. I hope the Knicks don't have 5 centers on the roster next year and I would like to see Sasha leave or join the coaching staff.knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:Wow... I totally thought this was going to be a Seth Curry plug.That being said I not only agree but would take it a step further. Look to move Melo this offseason and go into next offseason with substantial cap space. I would not bring Rose back either. Go with Randle, Baker, whoever we draft and can bring in. Develop a real young core of players. Keep the cap space. The real offseason is after next year, where the Knicks will have KP, Willy and this year's pick under rookie deals. Ideally you look to sell a pair of elite FAs to play with KP/Willy/prospect etc...
If the Knicks execute this offseason they could be looking at a liquid roster of good young players and over $50mm in cap space. Of course that puts Phil and "execute" in the same sentence. Hopefully we get another KP type player. Plenty of boos followed by great play
I WISH you and other people would stop saying this, because you make it seem like management holds the cards.. It's like saying if we can get trump out of office by the end of the year will be a better country.
It should be "IF melo waives his NTC" which all signs are pointing to him NOT doing that.
I think Melo might waive his NTC if Phil makes it clear he's going to focus on a youth movement. Melo should seriously consider a better situation for him to win now.
But a all out youth movement who take years upon years. Phil has already use 46 different players in 3 seasons. The most in the NBA in the same time frame. The goal is to find out what melo wants to do?
small moves are the better option
First off no one said anything about a FULL ON youth movement. This ain't Philly! This team has some vets but a New Wave of young players are on the way! I don't know how this hasn't sunk into your view of what is happening with this team. IMO this team is going to get younger this summer and that is only the logical thing to do.
It's not likely that Phil will completely strip the team again. It's not necessary at this point. However, I don't expect anymore old vet signings like we did last summer.
I am pretty high on Kuz, he needs consistent minutes and some plays called for him. He basically needs confidence. He is the best at moving without the ball that I have seen from any Knick in many many years. He is long lean and fluid and I think he is also very competitive. I definitely hope we keep him. He should be our starting SF next season, heck I think he should start for the rest of this season as well. Bring Melo off the bench. The "threeuro frontline" - there I coined it.
That's a lot of love for Kuz who hasn't really been all that good especially the last month or so. I like him but he's definitely not starter material. I'm actually surprised that some of you are saying you wouldn't re-sign J.Holiday. I really like him and he's the one that should be getting more playing time. He play both sides of the floor and would love to see him, C.Lee and L.Thomas on the floor more together in small ball lineups.
He is not a starter on a good team. On a rebuilding team people like him should be allowed to start to see what they can bring and if they can develop different facets of their game to meet the NBA skill test. Not all draft picks or FA signings will be made to order starters. We need to develop players - In his case he should play more D and hit his 3pointers consistently. We will need to have a good SF (Starter or backup) depending on what we draft.
I definitely want Justin and Lee back
Whether Melo moves is immaterial, we just shouldn't plan anything that includes him.
Kuz is very likable. But he is 27. He is on a cheap deal but Rosen wasn't very positive about him and I assume he is speaking for Phil. Also, at the deadline Kuz was in a rumored trade to the Suns.I have no idea how Phil views Kuz or even how Jeff views him. His salary is cheap so of course he will be on trade rumors, he is very moveable. He is 27, I get it but he is a second year player in the NBA - he may have waited too long, but I think he can still improve. I am just saying we give him a shot - start him for the rest of the season see what he can do. We are not making any commitments but we need to evaluate our talent at SF.
Maybe you start him for some away games but I think that is a stretch. You have to start Melo at MSG. Those tickets cost too much.
CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:It certainly will be interesting. Young guys on the bubble in my opinion, Kuz, Holiday, Ndour. I think O'Quinn probably gets traded. Does Phil go draft and stash with the two second round picks? Is Rose brought back. I don't think anything is set. I hope the Knicks don't have 5 centers on the roster next year and I would like to see Sasha leave or join the coaching staff.knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:Wow... I totally thought this was going to be a Seth Curry plug.That being said I not only agree but would take it a step further. Look to move Melo this offseason and go into next offseason with substantial cap space. I would not bring Rose back either. Go with Randle, Baker, whoever we draft and can bring in. Develop a real young core of players. Keep the cap space. The real offseason is after next year, where the Knicks will have KP, Willy and this year's pick under rookie deals. Ideally you look to sell a pair of elite FAs to play with KP/Willy/prospect etc...
If the Knicks execute this offseason they could be looking at a liquid roster of good young players and over $50mm in cap space. Of course that puts Phil and "execute" in the same sentence. Hopefully we get another KP type player. Plenty of boos followed by great play
I WISH you and other people would stop saying this, because you make it seem like management holds the cards.. It's like saying if we can get trump out of office by the end of the year will be a better country.
It should be "IF melo waives his NTC" which all signs are pointing to him NOT doing that.
I think Melo might waive his NTC if Phil makes it clear he's going to focus on a youth movement. Melo should seriously consider a better situation for him to win now.
But a all out youth movement who take years upon years. Phil has already use 46 different players in 3 seasons. The most in the NBA in the same time frame. The goal is to find out what melo wants to do?
small moves are the better option
First off no one said anything about a FULL ON youth movement. This ain't Philly! This team has some vets but a New Wave of young players are on the way! I don't know how this hasn't sunk into your view of what is happening with this team. IMO this team is going to get younger this summer and that is only the logical thing to do.
It's not likely that Phil will completely strip the team again. It's not necessary at this point. However, I don't expect anymore old vet signings like we did last summer.
I am pretty high on Kuz, he needs consistent minutes and some plays called for him. He basically needs confidence. He is the best at moving without the ball that I have seen from any Knick in many many years. He is long lean and fluid and I think he is also very competitive. I definitely hope we keep him. He should be our starting SF next season, heck I think he should start for the rest of this season as well. Bring Melo off the bench. The "threeuro frontline" - there I coined it.
That's a lot of love for Kuz who hasn't really been all that good especially the last month or so. I like him but he's definitely not starter material. I'm actually surprised that some of you are saying you wouldn't re-sign J.Holiday. I really like him and he's the one that should be getting more playing time. He play both sides of the floor and would love to see him, C.Lee and L.Thomas on the floor more together in small ball lineups.
He is not a starter on a good team. On a rebuilding team people like him should be allowed to start to see what they can bring and if they can develop different facets of their game to meet the NBA skill test. Not all draft picks or FA signings will be made to order starters. We need to develop players - In his case he should play more D and hit his 3pointers consistently. We will need to have a good SF (Starter or backup) depending on what we draft.
I definitely want Justin and Lee back
Whether Melo moves is immaterial, we just shouldn't plan anything that includes him.
Kuz is very likable. But he is 27. He is on a cheap deal but Rosen wasn't very positive about him and I assume he is speaking for Phil. Also, at the deadline Kuz was in a rumored trade to the Suns.I have no idea how Phil views Kuz or even how Jeff views him. His salary is cheap so of course he will be on trade rumors, he is very moveable. He is 27, I get it but he is a second year player in the NBA - he may have waited too long, but I think he can still improve. I am just saying we give him a shot - start him for the rest of the season see what he can do. We are not making any commitments but we need to evaluate our talent at SF.
Maybe you start him for some away games but I think that is a stretch. You have to start Melo at MSG. Those tickets cost too much.
Lets agree to disagree. I wouldn't use ticket pricrs as input for roster decisions. And if I had been in NY and paid for the same, I personally would be rooting for the Knicks to execute the rebuild strategy without wasting anymore games.