Knicks · Begley: PJax teaching some Knicks guards the triangle yesterday (page 2)
martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:So if Randle Baker Lee and guys like that are likely back next year know the offense well it's a bad thing?I guess it depends on your perspective. Should Jeff be coaching the team without interference? Is Rambis coaching the triangle in practice and the defense not enough for Phil? Should Phil be scouting college players in March instead of teaching the triangle when he has a coach in place and he put his best friend on the staff as the top assistant?What if Jeff asked Phil? What if Phil and Jeff were talking and the topic came up and Phil volunteered?
One of the best fucking coaches of all time and people have a problem with him dipping into practice to run a few sets? What is wrong with this? Are we so jaded?
Put me in the jaded group. Phil is a hof coach but that isn't his job. He is an executive now. The only guy that I can think of that is an exec with tremendous coaching success is Riley. Riley did leave the office and coach. If Phil wants to do that it would be great. But if he doesn't I wish he would focus on being an executive.Why would you then suggest Phil should be out scouting? Wouldn't that undermine his scouting guys?
You are jaded and it's undermining your observations.
It makes JH look incompetent, like he doesn't know how to teach his own system, oh wait, it's not his system. It's one thing to go behind close doors and teach JH some tips, but to do it in front of the players, that not a good look
CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:When I left work on Wednesday my windshield was cracked from something blowing into it. My ride home was pretty nasty. I accidentally drove under a down power line that was sitting on the roof of a big truck. I also saw a good size tree just fall onto the road 200 yards in front of me. I have never experienced anything like it.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:O.T. Martin did you lose power with the storm? I have been off work the past two days because of the storm. We were without power until about 3:00 pm yesterday.CrushAlot wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:So if Randle Baker Lee and guys like that are likely back next year know the offense well it's a bad thing?I guess it depends on your perspective. Should Jeff be coaching the team without interference? Is Rambis coaching the triangle in practice and the defense not enough for Phil? Should Phil be scouting college players in March instead of teaching the triangle when he has a coach in place and he put his best friend on the staff as the top assistant?What if Jeff asked Phil? What if Phil and Jeff were talking and the topic came up and Phil volunteered?
One of the best fucking coaches of all time and people have a problem with him dipping into practice to run a few sets? What is wrong with this? Are we so jaded?
Im in the city and everything was AOK for me. I know some who lost power for about a day and then on and off for another. I was driving around town yesterday afternoon for errands - big mistake - and there were large areas without stop lights and that absolutely sucked. I think the suburbs were more affected
OMG holy crap man. Hope everyone is AOK in your household
knicks1248 wrote:No it doesnt. It makes JH smart to include the knowledge of a guy who's won 13 titles, and not ignore an invaluable resource.martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:So if Randle Baker Lee and guys like that are likely back next year know the offense well it's a bad thing?I guess it depends on your perspective. Should Jeff be coaching the team without interference? Is Rambis coaching the triangle in practice and the defense not enough for Phil? Should Phil be scouting college players in March instead of teaching the triangle when he has a coach in place and he put his best friend on the staff as the top assistant?What if Jeff asked Phil? What if Phil and Jeff were talking and the topic came up and Phil volunteered?
One of the best fucking coaches of all time and people have a problem with him dipping into practice to run a few sets? What is wrong with this? Are we so jaded?
Put me in the jaded group. Phil is a hof coach but that isn't his job. He is an executive now. The only guy that I can think of that is an exec with tremendous coaching success is Riley. Riley did leave the office and coach. If Phil wants to do that it would be great. But if he doesn't I wish he would focus on being an executive.Why would you then suggest Phil should be out scouting? Wouldn't that undermine his scouting guys?
You are jaded and it's undermining your observations.
It makes JH look incompetent, like he doesn't know how to teach his own system, oh wait, it's not his system. It's one thing to go behind close doors and teach JH some tips, but to do it in front of the players, that not a good look
knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:So if Randle Baker Lee and guys like that are likely back next year know the offense well it's a bad thing?I guess it depends on your perspective. Should Jeff be coaching the team without interference? Is Rambis coaching the triangle in practice and the defense not enough for Phil? Should Phil be scouting college players in March instead of teaching the triangle when he has a coach in place and he put his best friend on the staff as the top assistant?What if Jeff asked Phil? What if Phil and Jeff were talking and the topic came up and Phil volunteered?
One of the best fucking coaches of all time and people have a problem with him dipping into practice to run a few sets? What is wrong with this? Are we so jaded?
Put me in the jaded group. Phil is a hof coach but that isn't his job. He is an executive now. The only guy that I can think of that is an exec with tremendous coaching success is Riley. Riley did leave the office and coach. If Phil wants to do that it would be great. But if he doesn't I wish he would focus on being an executive.Why would you then suggest Phil should be out scouting? Wouldn't that undermine his scouting guys?
You are jaded and it's undermining your observations.
It makes JH look incompetent, like he doesn't know how to teach his own system, oh wait, it's not his system. It's one thing to go behind close doors and teach JH some tips, but to do it in front of the players, that not a good look
As I pointed out above Phil wasn't his own offensive coach when he started with the Bulls. He had Tex Winter coaching the offense. It took years for Phil to learn the Triangle on the level Tex knew it.
knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:So if Randle Baker Lee and guys like that are likely back next year know the offense well it's a bad thing?I guess it depends on your perspective. Should Jeff be coaching the team without interference? Is Rambis coaching the triangle in practice and the defense not enough for Phil? Should Phil be scouting college players in March instead of teaching the triangle when he has a coach in place and he put his best friend on the staff as the top assistant?What if Jeff asked Phil? What if Phil and Jeff were talking and the topic came up and Phil volunteered?
One of the best fucking coaches of all time and people have a problem with him dipping into practice to run a few sets? What is wrong with this? Are we so jaded?
Put me in the jaded group. Phil is a hof coach but that isn't his job. He is an executive now. The only guy that I can think of that is an exec with tremendous coaching success is Riley. Riley did leave the office and coach. If Phil wants to do that it would be great. But if he doesn't I wish he would focus on being an executive.Why would you then suggest Phil should be out scouting? Wouldn't that undermine his scouting guys?
You are jaded and it's undermining your observations.
It makes JH look incompetent, like he doesn't know how to teach his own system, oh wait, it's not his system. It's one thing to go behind close doors and teach JH some tips, but to do it in front of the players, that not a good look
For me this is what someone who is insecure says.
Should KP not tell us he wants to work with Hakeem or Dirk cause it was make everyone else around him - his coaches, his brother who teaches him everything - look incompetent?
Everyone, and I mean everyone in life, should always look for help in any way they get it. From their peers, from their boss, from outside the box, from inside the box. It doesn't mean you are incompetent because of it, it means you are smart and are gathering the best to make whatever you are looking to do become better.
martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:So if Randle Baker Lee and guys like that are likely back next year know the offense well it's a bad thing?I guess it depends on your perspective. Should Jeff be coaching the team without interference? Is Rambis coaching the triangle in practice and the defense not enough for Phil? Should Phil be scouting college players in March instead of teaching the triangle when he has a coach in place and he put his best friend on the staff as the top assistant?What if Jeff asked Phil? What if Phil and Jeff were talking and the topic came up and Phil volunteered?
One of the best fucking coaches of all time and people have a problem with him dipping into practice to run a few sets? What is wrong with this? Are we so jaded?
Put me in the jaded group. Phil is a hof coach but that isn't his job. He is an executive now. The only guy that I can think of that is an exec with tremendous coaching success is Riley. Riley did leave the office and coach. If Phil wants to do that it would be great. But if he doesn't I wish he would focus on being an executive.Why would you then suggest Phil should be out scouting? Wouldn't that undermine his scouting guys?
You are jaded and it's undermining your observations.
It makes JH look incompetent, like he doesn't know how to teach his own system, oh wait, it's not his system. It's one thing to go behind close doors and teach JH some tips, but to do it in front of the players, that not a good look
For me this is what someone who is insecure says.
Should KP not tell us he wants to work with Hakeem or Dirk cause it was make everyone else around him - his coaches, his brother who teaches him everything - look incompetent?
Everyone, and I mean everyone in life, should always look for help in any way they get it. From their peers, from their boss, from outside the box, from inside the box. It doesn't mean you are incompetent because of it, it means you are smart and are gathering the best to make whatever you are looking to do become better.
Coach K brought in Pop and MDA to help with team USA. He wasn't too proud to accept other top coaches!
I'm not convinced Jeff wants to coach the triangle.
Yes, he took the job. And yes, being around Phil is probably great.
Could Picasso teach me to paint like Picasso? Maybe.
But would I be a better painter if I tried to paint the way I wanted to?
And yes, Phil should be out watching college B Ball - in person because while the scouts can suggest, the choice is his and he better pick someone he is happy with so we're not trading them for the next Derrick Rose in 2 years.
martin wrote:We are fine. Thanks. It was crazy on Wednesday.CrushAlot wrote:OMG holy crap man. Hope everyone is AOK in your householdmartin wrote:When I left work on Wednesday my windshield was cracked from something blowing into it. My ride home was pretty nasty. I accidentally drove under a down power line that was sitting on the roof of a big truck. I also saw a good size tree just fall onto the road 200 yards in front of me. I have never experienced anything like it.CrushAlot wrote:Im in the city and everything was AOK for me. I know some who lost power for about a day and then on and off for another. I was driving around town yesterday afternoon for errands - big mistake - and there were large areas without stop lights and that absolutely sucked. I think the suburbs were more affectedmartin wrote:O.T. Martin did you lose power with the storm? I have been off work the past two days because of the storm. We were without power until about 3:00 pm yesterday.CrushAlot wrote:What if Jeff asked Phil? What if Phil and Jeff were talking and the topic came up and Phil volunteered?nyknickzingis wrote:So if Randle Baker Lee and guys like that are likely back next year know the offense well it's a bad thing?I guess it depends on your perspective. Should Jeff be coaching the team without interference? Is Rambis coaching the triangle in practice and the defense not enough for Phil? Should Phil be scouting college players in March instead of teaching the triangle when he has a coach in place and he put his best friend on the staff as the top assistant?One of the best fucking coaches of all time and people have a problem with him dipping into practice to run a few sets? What is wrong with this? Are we so jaded?
reub wrote:Phil has won 13 championships, including the last 2 won by the NY Knicks. Any teaching he does will be very helpful.
CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:We are fine. Thanks. It was crazy on Wednesday.CrushAlot wrote:OMG holy crap man. Hope everyone is AOK in your householdmartin wrote:When I left work on Wednesday my windshield was cracked from something blowing into it. My ride home was pretty nasty. I accidentally drove under a down power line that was sitting on the roof of a big truck. I also saw a good size tree just fall onto the road 200 yards in front of me. I have never experienced anything like it.CrushAlot wrote:Im in the city and everything was AOK for me. I know some who lost power for about a day and then on and off for another. I was driving around town yesterday afternoon for errands - big mistake - and there were large areas without stop lights and that absolutely sucked. I think the suburbs were more affectedmartin wrote:O.T. Martin did you lose power with the storm? I have been off work the past two days because of the storm. We were without power until about 3:00 pm yesterday.CrushAlot wrote:What if Jeff asked Phil? What if Phil and Jeff were talking and the topic came up and Phil volunteered?nyknickzingis wrote:So if Randle Baker Lee and guys like that are likely back next year know the offense well it's a bad thing?I guess it depends on your perspective. Should Jeff be coaching the team without interference? Is Rambis coaching the triangle in practice and the defense not enough for Phil? Should Phil be scouting college players in March instead of teaching the triangle when he has a coach in place and he put his best friend on the staff as the top assistant?One of the best fucking coaches of all time and people have a problem with him dipping into practice to run a few sets? What is wrong with this? Are we so jaded?
Sorry to hear but glad to hear that everything is ok
CrushAlot wrote:If you're looking for more evidence that the Knicks are committed to running the triangle: team president Phil Jackson was teaching some Knicks guards the offense for about a half hour before an informal team workout yesterday, per league sources. It seems clear that Jackson is intent on running the triangle, as sources with knowledge of the workout told ESPN that he was hands on in instructing the offense with Knicks guards before the workout. Jeff Hornacek has acknowledged that the team has run more often triangle lately. He says he welcomes Jackson's input, but a team president conducting a workout with players is not the norm around the NBA.Ian Begley, ESPN Staff Writer
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-06...
Not the norm in the NBA is our new normal. On one hand I can understand that the team has under performed since Jan, but being undermined by your boss isn't really a confidence builder for the coach in front of his team and I would think it doesn't help the coach maintain respect from his players. This is not only not the norm in the NBA but in any business where you have a chain of command. Maybe it's fine, maybe Jeff should start being concerned for his job and the players. If I was a player I'D be confused as to who I was supposed to listen to 'but coach, Phil told us to do it that way'. Not good but this is the dysfuntional world of the Knicks. Phil probably means well, but the result could just wind up hurting the team if the players stop listening to the coach. Then again, could just be nothing at all and no big deal. Dunno, wasn't there. In my job, I wouldn't be happy about it and I'd start looking over my shoulder if my boss had to do my job
franco12 wrote:this is like when I tell my wife what to cook for dinner- she says, you want that, you cook it.No its like your wife buying you groceries to cook. You have to cook with what she bought you. Now she also happens to be a world class chef, so every now and then she may mention best practices. You can do it your way and that would be probably fine, but if you want to be sure not to burn the sauce maybe you ask for a little help. If you ask for help or accept her unsolicited help it doesnt mean you have been interfered with or undermined.I'm not convinced Jeff wants to coach the triangle.
Yes, he took the job. And yes, being around Phil is probably great.
Could Picasso teach me to paint like Picasso? Maybe.
But would I be a better painter if I tried to paint the way I wanted to?
And yes, Phil should be out watching college B Ball - in person because while the scouts can suggest, the choice is his and he better pick someone he is happy with so we're not trading them for the next Derrick Rose in 2 years.
nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:So if Randle Baker Lee and guys like that are likely back next year know the offense well it's a bad thing?I guess it depends on your perspective. Should Jeff be coaching the team without interference? Is Rambis coaching the triangle in practice and the defense not enough for Phil? Should Phil be scouting college players in March instead of teaching the triangle when he has a coach in place and he put his best friend on the staff as the top assistant?What if Jeff asked Phil? What if Phil and Jeff were talking and the topic came up and Phil volunteered?
One of the best fucking coaches of all time and people have a problem with him dipping into practice to run a few sets? What is wrong with this? Are we so jaded?
Put me in the jaded group. Phil is a hof coach but that isn't his job. He is an executive now. The only guy that I can think of that is an exec with tremendous coaching success is Riley. Riley did leave the office and coach. If Phil wants to do that it would be great. But if he doesn't I wish he would focus on being an executive.Why would you then suggest Phil should be out scouting? Wouldn't that undermine his scouting guys?
You are jaded and it's undermining your observations.
It makes JH look incompetent, like he doesn't know how to teach his own system, oh wait, it's not his system. It's one thing to go behind close doors and teach JH some tips, but to do it in front of the players, that not a good look
As I pointed out above Phil wasn't his own offensive coach when he started with the Bulls. He had Tex Winter coaching the offense. It took years for Phil to learn the Triangle on the level Tex knew it.
Wasn't Tex on the coaching staff?
Imagine If dolan walked into a coaches meeting and started telling phil what to tell the other coaches right in front of them. Imagine If Jerry (when phil coach the bulls) jump into practice and said, I don't care about this triangle just concentrate on getting the ball to Jordan.
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Bottom line - Phil as a President has undermined his coaches and gotten over involved when he feels that they aren't running his specific system enough. Phil has been bad in this regard. Bad at trades. Bad at free agents. Good at the draft with limited picks.
Triangle is for special players. But we should not strive for being elevated?
They took 30n minutes on triangle. OMG, that means they won't practice defense? You agenda guys really at the practice?
Ego are built on insecurity, and some of you must have it. Jeff if confident would seek help.
Phil gets slammed for not helping, and for helping. Smooth.
Picasso is an undisciplined painter.
A cook is subjective in its results.
Lets say Phil learned a really difficult surgical procedure and took it to a higher level and succeeded! its not his invention, but he learned it from the masters themselves. (Tex). Up until 6 years ago, that system produced championships. The "surgical" team has to be a special group otherwise the patient dies.
The master is on occasion asked to demonstrate. It is welcomed.
Nalod wrote:Lets run the same thing every other team runs. Thats smart?
Triangle is for special players. But we should not strive for being elevated?
They took 30n minutes on triangle. OMG, that means they won't practice defense? You agenda guys really at the practice?
No he has to leave time for Rambis to coach the defense.
So if people don't like the way Phil is going about his job, they have an agenda? No agenda if they like Phil?
Fisher got fired for not letting Phil run his practices. I guess Hornacek knows how to survive here. I feel bad for Hornacek. In Phoenix all his assistants were fired out from under him. Now he's not allowed to coach the defense or the offense at his practices.
nixluva wrote:PHIL LEARNED THE TRIANGLE FROM TEX!!! TEX WAS COACHING THE OFFENSE WHILE PHIL RAN THE TEAM! This is not a big deal. Krause already had Tex on his Bulls staff and believed in him. Phil talked basketball with Tex and came to respect his BB Knowledge and chose to run Tex's Triangle offense which Phil was not a master of at first. Jeff is quite capable of learning the Triangle inside and out like Phil eventually did.
It's funny you mention Krause, a guy who hates Phil Jackson and thinks he's a fraud who took too much credit for what Krause assembled in Chicago.
The Knicks second unit turning a 14 point deficit into a tie game... AHHHH the Knicks are undermining Melo! LOOK AT HIS MINUTES, THEY ARE SITTING HIM TOO LONG!!! (in a game where he played 35 minutes). This is something the the NY Daily News wrote about... while also admitting it was the smart thing to do.
It's insane.