Knicks · The most daming quote I've seen from the Knicks all year (from KP) (page 1)

crzymdups @ 3/12/2017 9:18 PM
crzymdups @ 3/12/2017 9:18 PM
crzymdups @ 3/12/2017 9:19 PM
I don't want to hear about tanking - this team was trying to win today and has no idea how to do it. as KP said, from top to bottom. There's just no clue.

While it is good for the draft pick positioning... it's a terrible sign going forward.

meloshouldgo @ 3/12/2017 9:20 PM
Yeah let's blame Phil.
crzymdups @ 3/12/2017 9:21 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:Yeah let's blame Phil.

Who blamed Phil?

crzymdups @ 3/12/2017 9:22 PM
This one is pretty funny, shades of GW Bush.

knicks1248 @ 3/12/2017 10:05 PM
We're the only team in the entire league talking about learning a system in fckng march, How stupid does that sound. Most of this roster will be dismantle once again.

I'm just waiting for the morning I wake up to read JH has resign and Rambis is back running his defense that gives up 19 threes to the fckng NETS

CrushAlot @ 3/12/2017 10:23 PM
nyknickzingis @ 3/12/2017 10:43 PM
He's basically saying the team has tried to play many different ways, many styles of offense and defense, none have worked or led to consistent wins.

This happens. The Knicks top 3 players are Melo, KP and Rose. All 3 are relatively high usage players, with a tendency to focus on offense. When you have situations like that, where one is a rising star looking to prove himself and develop his game (KP) and the other is a declining star who is looking to keep getting his numbers up in the scoring books (Melo) and the third is a former MVP heading into free agency who is looking to get paid (Rose) the sacrifices needed to be made just weren't.

No matter what offense we ran, early on when it was less Triangle, or now when it's majority Triangle, we were able to score. We are the highest scoring team outside of the playoffs. We put up points with ease, despite being fiddled with problems like Melo and Rose going one on one way too much. Despite the flaws in Melo/Rose games and the toughness of getting the Triangle, on offense we had/have more than enough to be a good team.

The problem is/was defense. Again with our big 3 of KP, Melo, Rose, you would like to have some guys who know defense and can play defense. KP's a great rim protector and tries, but he's outmatched against small 4's and he can not recognize many things still on defense. Melo and Rose have always been suspect defenders at best. So where do you get the defense if your best players don't commit to defense? They are afterall the guys that you play the most minutes.

The only way for this team to win was to outscore teams with a powerhouse offense. Being able to drop 112 a night. For that you need a primary star/scorer who is more consistent and a better shooter than Melo. A better point guard than Rose. And KP needed to have a post game to max out our O potential.

I blame the coaching staff and the Knicks big 3 of Rose/Melo/KP for poor defense. KP is the least to blame in my book because he's in his 2nd year and he's still learning defense (as well as showing some value with his great rim protection). Hornachek, Melo and Rose are just an awful mix, You can even see it on TV. The interactions. Hornachek and Melo/Rose have a huge gap. You don't see that gap with Hornachek and the young players like KP, Willy, Randle, Baker, Kuz etc.

It is what it is, but the positive we should take from this is we saved ourselves from investing $100 million deal on Rose and trying to make the Rose/Melo/KP core into a contender, which was just never happening. We're going to draft somewhere really good. Better to really be a bust like we were and draft in a better spot, and know you can't invest in these players longterm, than having a solid season where you make the playoffs and then have a false sense you can grow that team into a contender. That is the false sense the Knicks had after the 2012/2013 season.

All this season has done in my eyes is expediated the process that was inevitable. Moving on from Melo. Building around Porzingis. By that I don't mean you build a team thinking KP will drop 25-30 points a game. You simply rebuild the team, with KP more of the featured player. You get younger. More athletic. YOu find players that fit and blend in well with the young talent (like KP, the 2017 lottery pick) you already have. It's far better to be in this situation knowing for sure you can not get this done with these veterans and type of team than to have a false sense that it will work out if you keep changing the chairs/furniture around. We've changed the furniture around enough. Time to get new furniture. Melo and Rose need to go.

nixluva @ 3/12/2017 10:50 PM
Rose will be gone! I see no way the Knicks spend big to keep him around. Melo is probably realizing it's time to move on. This team needs to rebuild and will be years from contending. He no longer fits with the direction of the team. This isn't about the DRAMA of another losing season. It's about the promise of rebuilding this team the right way.
holfresh @ 3/12/2017 10:57 PM
Wow..KP flashing the juice card..
Uptown @ 3/12/2017 10:58 PM
CrushAlot wrote:

This is a damning quote. when phil was brought in, most assumed he would bring some stability to the organization. The players and I'm pretty sure the coaches are confused too. Add to that the Dolan fiasco, phil tampering...what a joke...SMH. Hopefully, the basketball gods smile on us for a change and get us a top 5 pick...

holfresh @ 3/12/2017 11:48 PM
Truly interesting..Is KP trying to get Phil and Hornacek fired??..The team looked like it quit early in the game..I won't be shocked if the press doesn't runs with this, tho..If Melo said it, Armageddon...
smackeddog @ 3/13/2017 4:45 AM
crzymdups wrote:I don't want to hear about tanking - this team was trying to win today and has no idea how to do it. as KP said, from top to bottom. There's just no clue.

While it is good for the draft pick positioning... it's a terrible sign going forward.

If we'd won we would have fallen to the 9th or 10th pick in the lottery, instead we have a shot at the 4th- would you have preferred it if we won?

smackeddog @ 3/13/2017 4:49 AM
crzymdups wrote:

He's learnt this from our great leaders melo and Rose, theyve been a terrible influence on him this season.

However he's right- we can't go into next season with 3 different factions President, coach and Melo & Rose- they've all been pulling in different directions and undermining each other. Let Rose walk, trade melo, and the Phil needs to do some serious thinking as to whether he's going to let Hornacek coach or if he just wants a lackey

knicks1248 @ 3/13/2017 7:50 AM
smackeddog wrote:
crzymdups wrote:

He's learnt this from our great leaders melo and Rose, theyve been a terrible influence on him this season.

However he's right- we can't go into next season with 3 different factions President, coach and Melo & Rose- they've all been pulling in different directions and undermining each other. Let Rose walk, trade melo, and the Phil needs to do some serious thinking as to whether he's going to let Hornacek coach or if he just wants a lackey

If rose is the problem, who was the problem last yr, and the season before that. Every yr you guys will pick a player and blame him for the knicks struggles, instead of facing reality.

nyknickzingis @ 3/13/2017 7:58 AM
If you read the entire quote he makes it clear the coaches are also lost as what to do because nothing is working. He isn't saying the coaches didn't try, rather that they tried multiple things to make it work because nothing really has.

Maybe his criticism is that the team should stick to one thing. However, wasn't KP saying just 10 days ago how he loved the Triangle and wished the team ran it all season?

Again, this is going to happen when the team keeps losing. People want to tank bad, but tanking brings out the worst in everyone on the roster. You won't see a happy Porzingis with all this losing. He's playing well, he's super competitive, and the team keeps losing. Not a great situation for a young player, but hopefully a great draft pick comes out of it.

crzymdups @ 3/13/2017 8:36 AM
smackeddog wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I don't want to hear about tanking - this team was trying to win today and has no idea how to do it. as KP said, from top to bottom. There's just no clue.

While it is good for the draft pick positioning... it's a terrible sign going forward.

If we'd won we would have fallen to the 9th or 10th pick in the lottery, instead we have a shot at the 4th- would you have preferred it if we won?

If we're talking about what I prefer - I would have preferred a lot of things done differently these past 15 years or even this season.

I'm just talking about yesterday's game - regardless of what I want, the Knicks were trying to win it. And were woefully overmatched. Maybe it's just Hornacek being bad? Maybe Phil has meddled too much? I don't know. But something is wrong at the top- even KP is saying it now

crzymdups @ 3/13/2017 8:37 AM
smackeddog wrote:
crzymdups wrote:

He's learnt this from our great leaders melo and Rose, theyve been a terrible influence on him this season.

However he's right- we can't go into next season with 3 different factions President, coach and Melo & Rose- they've all been pulling in different directions and undermining each other. Let Rose walk, trade melo, and the Phil needs to do some serious thinking as to whether he's going to let Hornacek coach or if he just wants a lackey

Ah - this part I agree with.

fishmike @ 3/13/2017 9:17 AM
Knicks just lost to the Nets. This was a team that had some high aspirations going into the season. They are all frustrated. I mean, what kind of quotes are people expecting?

I can live with all of Phil's mistakes this season if he drafts another gem.

newyorknewyork @ 3/13/2017 9:28 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:If you read the entire quote he makes it clear the coaches are also lost as what to do because nothing is working. He isn't saying the coaches didn't try, rather that they tried multiple things to make it work because nothing really has.

Maybe his criticism is that the team should stick to one thing. However, wasn't KP saying just 10 days ago how he loved the Triangle and wished the team ran it all season?

Again, this is going to happen when the team keeps losing. People want to tank bad, but tanking brings out the worst in everyone on the roster. You won't see a happy Porzingis with all this losing. He's playing well, he's super competitive, and the team keeps losing. Not a great situation for a young player, but hopefully a great draft pick comes out of it.

You win in this league with defense, spacing, and ball movement. No matter what style of ball you play these are all necessary in order to win regularly. We lack 2 out of the 3 elements required to win regularly. Kristap is a tweener at the moment until he gets strong enough to play center regularly. And he isn't imposing enough at the moment to outweight his defensive deficiencies guarding the perimeter. When KP is able to be effective defensively at center. And we could out 2 defensive forwards next to him like Lance displayed the our defense will have way better balance. Basically waiting for KP to develop into a full time center is half of the reason why the team is out of sync balance wise.

Lack of ball movement fall on Rose and Melo. Rose is instant offense off the bench on a good team. We need players who do little things away from the ball like rebound & defend. Hit open shots and keep the ball moving. Look at Houston. Who has Beverly and Ariza alongside of Harden. Beverly puts up stat lines like 8-10pts, 6-9rebs, 4-6ast, 1-3 stls, 2-3 3s. Ariza plays defense rebounds gets stls and 3s. Guys *like* this need to be the target.

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