He just turned 21. He wasn't good in that offense but he's at the age where he be a draft pick this year. A change of scenery and work on fundamentals could go a long way I think a protected 1 to something high like 23 that turns into two 2s might turn out to be a heckuva good trade
I was just checking out his stats earlier after Denver beat LAC tonight. Man Mudiay really can't shoot.
martin wrote:I was just checking out his stats earlier after Denver beat LAC tonight. Man Mudiay really can't shoot.
Yeah I think he can be developed here as a back up. He's a very good defensive player with good size and his contract is neglible
This is who I thought Phil would take in the draft.....Over KP.
Glad I'm not the GM....
martin wrote:I was just checking out his stats earlier after Denver beat LAC tonight. Man Mudiay really can't shoot.
in one thread briggs says the knicks suck because they can't shoot the 3, then in the next thread he proposes the knicks go after a guy who shoots 30% from 3 and 37% from the field. you can't make this shit up.
nyk4ever wrote:martin wrote:I was just checking out his stats earlier after Denver beat LAC tonight. Man Mudiay really can't shoot.
in one thread briggs says the knicks suck because they can't shoot the 3, then in the next thread he proposes the knicks go after a guy who shoots 30% from 3 and 37% from the field. you can't make this shit up.
Like I said ignore if you can't be a big boy. It would be a good move to grab Mudiay for pennies--a future second or seconds. The odds of Nudiay being better than a 2 rd pick is very high. He needs a new address and gives us a big young pg we can help develop from where he is now. If he doesn't get better he's a good back up for a couple if years. We can't go out and spend 25 mm$ on each player we like-- small moves with upside that have the chance to blossom is the smart direction. We have a LOT of holes. I kind of seem him as what the Nets have with Whithead. He's got a good body and good handle
I'd be interested in getting him, but I'm not sure what I'd be willing to trade.
Shooting seems like it could be fixed, improved a little from rookie year, ft% decent this year.
But his advanced defensive stats don't look good at all.
BRIGGS wrote:nyk4ever wrote:martin wrote:I was just checking out his stats earlier after Denver beat LAC tonight. Man Mudiay really can't shoot.
in one thread briggs says the knicks suck because they can't shoot the 3, then in the next thread he proposes the knicks go after a guy who shoots 30% from 3 and 37% from the field. you can't make this shit up.
Like I said ignore if you can't be a big boy. It would be a good move to grab Mudiay for pennies--a future second or seconds. The odds of Nudiay being better than a 2 rd pick is very high. He needs a new address and gives us a big young pg we can help develop from where he is now. If he doesn't get better he's a good back up for a couple if years. We can't go out and spend 25 mm$ on each player we like-- small moves with upside that have the chance to blossom is the smart direction. We have a LOT of holes. I kind of seem him as what the Nets have with Whithead. He's got a good body and good handle
Put your big boy pants on.
I would move KOQ for a wing prospect and this would count. I would include one of our 2nd rounders, no first rounders though. Mudiay is a good athlete but has played very poorly in the NBA for 2 years. Yes, he 100% could pop. He's got the upside but I wouldnt give up much
This is interesting. With all the complaining about the Triangle. Denver has completely gone away from ball dominant guard to pure team ball movement. The starters put up 27 ast amoung the 5 players yesterday. The guards and wings are more shooters who can pass then anything else. They have gone 7-3 over their last 10 games and are now in 8th seed and climbing.
newyorknewyork wrote:This is interesting. With all the complaining about the Triangle. Denver has completely gone away from ball dominant guard to pure team ball movement. The starters put up 27 ast amoung the 5 players yesterday. The guards and wings are more shooters who can pass then anything else. They have gone 7-3 over their last 10 games and are now in 8th seed and climbing.
Honestly, I don’t think many around here have much problems with the triangle, the problem is with the dumb decision of hiring an up-tempo coach and force him to run a different system. That’s like trading for Shaq and forcing him to shoot threes, just because the system requires everyone to shoot from outside. In my opinion players should play to their strength and coaches should be allow to coach to their strength as well. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
newyorknewyork wrote:This is interesting. With all the complaining about the Triangle. Denver has completely gone away from ball dominant guard to pure team ball movement. The starters put up 27 ast amoung the 5 players yesterday. The guards and wings are more shooters who can pass then anything else. They have gone 7-3 over their last 10 games and are now in 8th seed and climbing.
I don't think anyone is complaining about the Triangle. It's the combination of the roster Phil built to run it and the coach he hired to coach it all being terrible fits. We heard he'd be bringing in "Triangle players"... has he brought in any? Rolo? Who he traded? Noah might be one... but will he ever be healthy or good enough to play more than 15min a game? He also plays the same position as KP and Willy, our two building blocks who can't really be on the floor at the same time.
It's about playing the right way for the roster you build, or bringing in the right players for the way you want to play.
I like the way Denver has played... hate to say it, but they've done a better job developing Jokic than we have with KP. Jokic has tied David Robinson for the most triple doubles ever by a center this season.
crzymdups wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:This is interesting. With all the complaining about the Triangle. Denver has completely gone away from ball dominant guard to pure team ball movement. The starters put up 27 ast amoung the 5 players yesterday. The guards and wings are more shooters who can pass then anything else. They have gone 7-3 over their last 10 games and are now in 8th seed and climbing.
I don't think anyone is complaining about the Triangle. It's the combination of the roster Phil built to run it and the coach he hired to coach it all being terrible fits. We heard he'd be bringing in "Triangle players"... has he brought in any? Rolo? Who he traded? Noah might be one... but will he ever be healthy or good enough to play more than 15min a game? He also plays the same position as KP and Willy, our two building blocks who can't really be on the floor at the same time.
It's about playing the right way for the roster you build, or bringing in the right players for the way you want to play.
I like the way Denver has played... hate to say it, but they've done a better job developing Jokic than we have with KP. Jokic has tied David Robinson for the most triple doubles ever by a center this season.
I would say most of them look like triangle players minus Rose/Melo. KP, Willy, KOQ, Noah, Lance and Lee all look good in that kind of system. You are 100% right however.. and its ironic how Phil once called the Knicks "a clumsy roster" as that is exactly what he build. However at this point I do believe the issue is Melo and Melo+Rose. Neither defend, neither move the ball. Both need to be catered to in some capacity.
As far as the system and the coach the fit is fine. JH basically said we will run the triangle in the half court but he wants to push tempo. Is there any reason the Knicks cant play with speed and attack in transition than go to a triangle set? I mean its no different than what MDA did in SSOL. Once the fast break dries up run a P&R. In our care once the fast break dries up run the triangle sets.
I also think its pretty obvious what the source of Phil's agnst and tweets about Melo were all about. Look at the seq of events:
Phil: Melo is a star and still has another level he can go to
Phil to Melo: Are we moving fast enough for you?
Phil gets Noah, Rose, Lee
Melo holds ball more and plays defense less.
Phil sends out cranky tweets
Hmmm..... 
I think Mudiay is a bum.... He's a pount guard with no vision or jump shot. He's gonna be a journeyman.
EnySpree wrote:I think Mudiay is a bum.... He's a pount guard with no vision or jump shot. He's gonna be a journeyman.
But he's a cheap bum and young, so worth the gamble- we need to lose for a few season, so he'd be a low risk, high reward move (as long as we didn't give up anything of value)
Smush Parker was a big PG that shot 42.6% from the field and 34.5% from the field, looked great in the triangle, and sucked big fat moosecock elsewhere. I wouldn't trade much for him but would be interested if they'd give him up for peanuts. Chauncey Billups looked like an absolute scrub when he was 23... PGs sometimes need more seasoning than other positions
BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:I was just checking out his stats earlier after Denver beat LAC tonight. Man Mudiay really can't shoot.
Yeah I think he can be developed here as a back up. He's a very good defensive player with good size and his contract is neglible
Unfortunately, he just isn't smart. And you can't teach smart. I'd pass on him but I was intrigued with him during the draft.
Briggs I usually don't take issue with you however you've repeatedly expressed your interest in guy's that can stick it, perimeter shooters to keep the box clear. So where does Mudiay fit? You added that Fox didn't interest you because he doesn't shoot well from 3. So which is it ? Personally, I think we'd all want a John Wall or C Paul guys that penetrate and dish. If you've a shooter at 3 and KP and Monk, your Pg needs to be a super athlete, have decency from outside, but his ability to penetrate and dish, and be a floor general are fine for me. By the way, I think with Fox you'll get both. A two way speed demon who can drive and penetrate all day. I believe he will become a more than adequate scorer, shooter and floor general.
Getting Mudiay will fit right in with the "World" team we are trying to build in NY
SupremeCommander wrote:Smush Parker was a big PG that shot 42.6% from the field and 34.5% from the field, looked great in the triangle, and sucked big fat moosecock elsewhere. I wouldn't trade much for him but would be interested if they'd give him up for peanuts. Chauncey Billups looked like an absolute scrub when he was 23... PGs sometimes need more seasoning than other positions
Great point about Billups. Mudiay was top 4 on a lot of draft boards. He is a worth while risk on a rookie deal.
