Knicks · The pro Rose Moment to open our minds a second..... (page 1)

Im posting, which I took for the UK home page not because I believe it, or somehow expect to change anyones opinion but to MAYBE understand what Phil was envisioning when he bought in DRose.

Knicks and its fans are notoriously impatient. I have an open mind to DRose only because of this.
http://dailyknicks.com/2017/03/18/new-yo...
In not that impressionable that one article can change my mind and its not like I'm preaching "Tolerance".
Internally knicks have to be both happy at his physical recovery. Its evident he wants to be near his family and resistant to the triangle. He might be resistant to many other offenses as well.

Rose is what he is at this point. Its not about impatience...its clear he isnt a true point pg and that is what we need. I admit i was never a Rose fan but i gave him a chance and it didnt work. I mean baker and randle have run the offense better IMO. The only reason i want Rose to play at this point is because he helps our draft position and then he will be gone

How many ball dominant scorers that give zero effort on defense can you play together in a starting 5 line up? Maybe 8-12M 6th man providing scoring off the bench 18-20 min a game Rose would work here, but that ain't never going to happen at this stage of his career. He's only 28 and not ready for the back up role. Some team that has trouble attracting FA's will max him, hope it's not the Knicks.

StarksEwing1 wrote:Rose is what he is at this point. Its not about impatience...its clear he isnt a true point pg and that is what we need. I admit i was never a Rose fan but i gave him a chance and it didnt work. I mean baker and randle have run the offense better IMO. The only reason i want Rose to play at this point is because he helps our draft position and then he will be gone

Yeah, it's a weak article. It's just saying in theory he might be a great player again some day. I'm not giving him $20 mil per season off of that theory.

The Knicks cannot keep overlooking the importance of defense. While the team is scoring more their defense has suffered. Rose doesn't provide the balance needed to succeed. Same with Melo can't keep this trend going continuously.

I hope Phil lets Rose walk gives the ball to Randle and not look back. Names do not always equate to winning. As for Melo hope Phil can get him moved need to get athletic there are players in this draft that will and can develop to be good players. Let's hope Phil can do this for the future of the franchise.

If he was on a rookie contract sure. But for the price he is said to want nah.

Its not necessarily that we need a pure PG. But we need players that contribute to winning without being ball dominant. You can find instant offense players to plug in and fill the scoring void. Lou Williams brings what Rose does the table at a cheaper price and does it more efficiently.

Yeah I have been shocked by how little Rose actually impacts how the Knicks play! He's scoring well but when he doesn't have the ball he's hurting the team. We can pay far less for a player that can do more than score. Lower usage guards that can defend, pass, catch and shoot from 3 would be preferable.

Rose has been consistent in his personal production and some team may want that but he's a non-factor for this team! I hope Phil sees this and let's Rose walk.

nixluva wrote:Yeah I have been shocked by how little Rose actually impacts how the Knicks play! He's scoring well but when he doesn't have the ball he's hurting the team. We can pay far less for a player that can do more than score. Lower usage guards that can defend, pass, catch and shoot from 3 would be preferable.

Rose has been consistent in his personal production and some team may want that but he's a non-factor for this team! I hope Phil sees this and let's Rose walk.

I think Rose is going to be humbled by how little teams are willing to pay him. Maybe he'd come back here on a small contract to be a bench player. That's the only way he could stay IMO. You definitely can't give him anything approaching an 8 figure annual salary. If some team offers him that, all I could say to him is don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Yeah I have been shocked by how little Rose actually impacts how the Knicks play! He's scoring well but when he doesn't have the ball he's hurting the team. We can pay far less for a player that can do more than score. Lower usage guards that can defend, pass, catch and shoot from 3 would be preferable.

Rose has been consistent in his personal production and some team may want that but he's a non-factor for this team! I hope Phil sees this and let's Rose walk.

I think Rose is going to be humbled by how little teams are willing to pay him. Maybe he'd come back here on a small contract to be a bench player. That's the only way he could stay IMO. You definitely can't give him anything approaching an 8 figure annual salary. If some team offers him that, all I could say to him is don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

Really, did that work for Melo? Rose has a different philosophy? We'd be lucky to get out of his contract and not give him an NTC as well.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Yeah I have been shocked by how little Rose actually impacts how the Knicks play! He's scoring well but when he doesn't have the ball he's hurting the team. We can pay far less for a player that can do more than score. Lower usage guards that can defend, pass, catch and shoot from 3 would be preferable.

Rose has been consistent in his personal production and some team may want that but he's a non-factor for this team! I hope Phil sees this and let's Rose walk.

I think Rose is going to be humbled by how little teams are willing to pay him. Maybe he'd come back here on a small contract to be a bench player. That's the only way he could stay IMO. You definitely can't give him anything approaching an 8 figure annual salary. If some team offers him that, all I could say to him is don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

Really, did that work for Melo? Rose has a different philosophy? We'd be lucky to get out of his contract and not give him an NTC as well.

Totally different. Melo was getting max offers from other teams including Chicago, Houston, and LAL. No one's going to come close to that for Rose.

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Yeah I have been shocked by how little Rose actually impacts how the Knicks play! He's scoring well but when he doesn't have the ball he's hurting the team. We can pay far less for a player that can do more than score. Lower usage guards that can defend, pass, catch and shoot from 3 would be preferable.

Rose has been consistent in his personal production and some team may want that but he's a non-factor for this team! I hope Phil sees this and let's Rose walk.

I think Rose is going to be humbled by how little teams are willing to pay him. Maybe he'd come back here on a small contract to be a bench player. That's the only way he could stay IMO. You definitely can't give him anything approaching an 8 figure annual salary. If some team offers him that, all I could say to him is don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

I think he will go the way of Rondo, but like Rondo won't be humbled by the experience

Good balanced article.
http://nypost.com/2017/03/18/next-rondo-...

I find the daily Knicks articles all fluff click bait garbage. Don't even read them anymore.

I'm no fan of Rose but if Melo blesses us by leaving -- Rose could make some sense on a short low-cost deal just in terms of having someone around who can get to the basket.

I tend to think a large portion of our problem this year was the Melo/Rose combo.

Ideally we could sign-trade Rose to Minny for Rubio and clear the ball dominant...don't want to run triangle players off the squad completely.

I think I'd rather re-sign Wroten.
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I'm not a Rose fan but if all he gets is $15M per and a 2 or 3 year deal, one should consider it.

nyknickzingis wrote:I'm not a Rose fan but if all he gets is $15M per and a 2 or 3 year deal, one should consider it.

No, we shouldn't at all. Rose is terrible and nothing he's done this year shows anything else. The only thing he has is a good first step; he doesn't finish well, he's a terrible distributor, a terrible shooter, and a terrible defender. And, he clearly hurting KP's development.

Nalod wrote:In not that impressionable that one article can change my mind and its not like I'm preaching "Tolerance".

Imagine you had a daughter, who was a young adult, and she brought home a boy she was clearly thinking about marrying.

Kid didn't bring a small gesture gift, didn't have a firm handshake, didn't look you in the eye, was rude, didn't shine his shoes, had poor table manners, chewed with his mouth open, wiped his mouth on his sleeve, licked his plate and was generally a douchebag with no social grace.

If the guy just came from the jungle, like in a movie. Well, OK, he's ignorant.

But if the guy grew up in a civilized society, it just means he just doesn't give a f**k.

If Steve Novak can't play defense, it's because Novak has no ability to play NBA average level defense. You could stick a gun to his head and it's not within his actual ability.

Derrick Rose has the ability to play real team ball and be a true team player. He just doesn't care. He's the douchebag that will lick his plate at your dinner table because he doesn't care about anything other than himself. You want your daughter to "marry" that worthless POS?

So why should the Knicks "marry" into a player like this?

Rose just decided to not show up for a game. He just decided, f**k it, I'm not going to be there. What does that say when you invite that kind of scum back to dinner again?

It says

- It's cool to disrespect me
- I have no standards
- Please abuse me all you want
- You can f**k my daughter and impregnate her and not have any accountability at all
- The problem must be with me, not with you, nothing is ever your fault

This is maybe the only area where those POS arrogant insufferable Boston fans have a point. You show up to dinner and you put your feet up on their dinner table, you are going to get both barrels of a shotgun emptied into your face.

Resigning Derrick Rose is about the same as cooking a guy a steak after he raped your daughter and burned your house down and took a big fat sh*t on your face.

If Rose deserved to wear a Knicks jersey, he would have acted like it. If he wanted to wear a Knicks jersey, he would have treated it with dignity, honor and respect, win or lose.

Never listen to what people say, who cares what Rose says in an interview, watch what they do. Watching what people do is all the truth you'll ever need.

Rose just doesn't fit what we want to do... his style does fit Milwaukee. They want Giannis running the point from the foreard spot. Rose doesn't run the point at all he's just a power guard looking to get to the basket. Make sense for them. They don't really run an offense. They are just trying to power guys down. Its perfect for them.

The Knicks could help facilitate that with a sign and trade. I haven't really looked at salary, but I'm not a fan of any of the Buck players.

VCoug wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I'm not a Rose fan but if all he gets is $15M per and a 2 or 3 year deal, one should consider it.

No, we shouldn't at all. Rose is terrible and nothing he's done this year shows anything else. The only thing he has is a good first step; he doesn't finish well, he's a terrible distributor, a terrible shooter, and a terrible defender. And, he clearly hurting KP's development.

Yeah, OMG that's a terrible way to spend $15 mil per IMO. I'm not sure I'd want him back under any circumstances. But if he gets rejected by all other teams and is willing to come here for like $5 mil per, that's something I'd consider. I'm fine with losing him for nothing though.

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I'm not a Rose fan but if all he gets is $15M per and a 2 or 3 year deal, one should consider it.

No, we shouldn't at all. Rose is terrible and nothing he's done this year shows anything else. The only thing he has is a good first step; he doesn't finish well, he's a terrible distributor, a terrible shooter, and a terrible defender. And, he clearly hurting KP's development.

Yeah, OMG that's a terrible way to spend $15 mil per IMO. I'm not sure I'd want him back under any circumstances. But if he gets rejected by all other teams and is willing to come here for like $5 mil per, that's something I'd consider. I'm fine with losing him for nothing though.

I see it as a sign and trade him down the road contract. Not to lose an asset for nothing.
I wonder if Rose would add a 3 point shot over the summer. He is a hard worker. He could work exclusively on a 3 ball this summer and come into the next season with a better 3 ball. That's the way to go for him.

But man that defense. Just awful. No ledaership. Yeah, I pass. I want some young guys who will play with passion and who will adopt the coaching philosiphy and mindset. Rose needs to go. I wish it worked out, but what a disasterous pairing.