Knicks · Past first round draft picks (page 1)

A lot more misses than hits. John Wall and Anthony Davis seem to be the only real IMPACT players out of the 150 players drafted the last 5 years. Very few All-Star players let alone "Superstar" players.

2010 DRAFT
1 WAS John Wall
2 PHI Evan Turner
3 NJN Derrick Favors
4 MIN Wesley Johnson
5 SAC DeMarcus Cousins
6 GSW Ekpe Udoh
7 DET Greg Monroe
8 LAC Al-Farouq Aminu
9 UTA Gordon Hayward
10 IND Paul George
11 NOH Cole Aldrich
12 MEM Xavier Henry
13 TOR Ed Davis
14 HOU Patrick Patterson
15 MIL Larry Sanders
16 MIN Luke Babbitt
17 CHI Kevin Seraphin
18 OKC Eric Bledsoe
19 BOS Avery Bradley
20 SAS James Anderson
21 OKC Craig Brackins
22 POR Elliot Williams
23 MIN Trevor Booker
24 ATL Damion James
25 MEM Dominique Jones
26 OKC Quincy Pondexter
27 NJN Jordan Crawford
28 MEM Greivis Vasquez
29 ORL Daniel Orton
30 WAS Lazar Hayward

2011
1 Cleveland Kyrie Irving
2 Minnesota Derrick Williams
3 Utah Enes Kanter
4 Cleveland Tristan Thompson
5 Toronto Jonas Valanciunas
6 Washington Jan Vesely
7 Sacramento Bismack Biyombo
8 Detroit Brandon Knight
9 Charlotte Kemba Walker
10 Milwaukee Jimmer Fredette
11 Golden State Klay Thompson
12 Utah Alec Burks
13 Phoenix Markieff Morris
14 Houston Marcus Morris
15 Indiana Kawhi Leonard
16 Philadelphia Nikola Vucevic
17 New York Iman Shumpert
18 Washington Chris Singleton
19 Charlotte Tobias Harris
20 Minnesota Donatas Motiejunas
21 Portland Nolan Smith
22 Denver Kenneth Faried
23 Houston Nikola Mirotic
24 OK City Reggie Jackson
25 Boston Marshon Brooks
26 Dallas Jordan Hamilton
27 New Jersey JaJuan Johnson
28 Chicago Norris Cole
29 San Antonio Cory Joseph
30 Chicago Jimmy Butler

2012
1 NOH Anthony Davis University of Kentucky
2 CHA Michael Kidd-Gilchrist University of Kentucky
3 WAS Bradley Beal University of Florida
4 CLE Dion Waiters Syracuse University
5 SAC Thomas Robinson University of Kansas
6 POR Damian Lillard Weber State University
7 GSW Harrison Barnes University of North Carolina
8 TOR Terrence Ross University of Washington
9 DET Andre Drummond University of Connecticut
10 NOH Austin Rivers Duke University
11 POR Meyers Leonard University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
12 HOU Jeremy Lamb University of Connecticut
13 PHO Kendall Marshall University of North Carolina
14 MIL John Henson University of North Carolina
15 PHI Maurice Harkless St. John's University
16 HOU Royce White Iowa State University
17 DAL Tyler Zeller University of North Carolina
18 HOU Terrence Jones University of Kentucky
19 ORL Andrew Nicholson St. Bonaventure University
20 DEN Evan Fournier Poiters Basket 86 (France)
21 BOS Jared Sullinger Ohio State University
22 BOS Fab Melo Syracuse University
23 ATL John Jenkins Vanderbilt University
24 CLE Jared Cunningham Oregon State University
25 MEM Tony Wroten University of Washington
26 IND Miles Plumlee Duke University
27 MIA Arnett Moultrie Mississippi State University
28 OKC Perry Jones Baylor University
29 CHI Marquis Teague University of Kentucky
30 GSW Festus Ezeli Vanderbilt University

2013
1 Anthony Bennett PF/SF
2 Victor Oladipo SG/PG
3 Otto Porter SF
4 Cody Zeller C/PF
5 Alex Len C
6 Nerlens Noel C
7 Ben McLemore SG
8 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
9 Trey Burke PG
10 C. J. McCollum SG
11 Michael Carter-Williams PG
12 Steven Adams C
13 Kelly Olynyk C
14 Shabazz Muhammad
15 Giannis Antetokounmpo
16 Lucas Nogueira C
17 Dennis Schröder PG
18 Shane Larkin PG
19 Sergey Karasev SG/SF
20 Tony Snell SF
21 Gorgui Dieng C
22 Mason Plumlee C
23 Solomon Hill SF
24 Tim Hardaway Jr.
25 Reggie Bullock SF
26 André Roberson SG/SF
27 Rudy Gobert C 28 Livio Jean-Charles#
29 Archie Goodwin SG
30 Nemanja Nedović PG

2014
1 Cav Andrew Wiggins SF Kansas
2 Bucks Jabari Parker SF Duke
3 76ers Joel Embiid C Kansas
4 Magic Aaron Gordon PF Arizona
5 Jazz Dante Exum PG Australia
6 Celtics Marcus Smart PG Oklahoma State
7 Lakers Julius Randle PF Kentucky
8 Kings Nik Stauskas SG Michigan
9 Hornets Noah Vonleh PF Indiana
10 Magic Elfrid Payton PG UL Lafayette
11 Bulls Doug McDermott SF Creighton
12 76ers Dario Saric SF Croatia
13 Timber Zach LaVine PG UCLA
14 Suns T.J. Warren SF N.C. State
15 Hawks Adreian Payne PF Michigan State
16 Nuggets Jusuf Nurkic C Bosnia-Herzegovina
17 Celtics James Young SG Kentucky
18 Suns Tyler Ennis PG Syracuse
19 Nuggets Gary Harris SG Michigan State
20 Raptors Bruno Caboclo SF Brazil
21 Thunder Mitch McGary PF Michigan
22 Grizz Jordan Adams SG UCLA
23 Jazz Rodney Hood SF Duke
24 Heat Shabazz Napier PG Connecticut
25 Rockets Clint Capela PF Switzerland
26 Hornets P.J. Hairston SG UNC/NBA D-League
27 Suns Bogdan Bogdanovic SG Serbia
28 Clip C.J. Wilcox SG Washington
29 Thunder Josh Huestis SF Stanford
30 Spurs Kyle Anderson SF UCLA

I like how Kyrie Irving, DeMarcus Cousins, Gordon Hayward (taken with our pick) among many many many others didn't warrant a highlight. Gimme a frickin break.

crzymdups wrote:I like how Kyrie Irving, DeMarcus Cousins, Gordon Hayward (taken with our pick) among many many many others didn't warrant a highlight. Gimme a frickin break.

I slipped on Hayward...he is a solid player, no doubt but, as much as I like Cousins and Irving, would you build around those two?

Especially since Irving has been in the cellar prior to the arrival of King James and Cousins is a head case?

BUT....even if you want to add THOSE THREE...thats still 11 OUT OF 150 FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS and 9 out of 65 Lottery picks. Still not great odds if you ask me.

Swishfm3 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I like how Kyrie Irving, DeMarcus Cousins, Gordon Hayward (taken with our pick) among many many many others didn't warrant a highlight. Gimme a frickin break.

I slipped on Hayward...he is a solid player, no doubt but, as much as I like Cousins and Irving, would you build around those two?

Especially since Irving has been in the cellar prior to the arrival of King James and Cousins is a head case?

BUT....even if you want to add THOSE THREE...thats still 11 OUT OF 150 FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS and 9 out of 65 Lottery picks. Still not great odds if you ask me.

There are so many other good players you left off, it's not even worth debating this with you. You scream about trading for Wiggins and then don't even highlight him as a good player from the draft. LOL. I give up, man. You're right the draft is trash. Good players just materialize in Free Agency.

Swishfm3 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I like how Kyrie Irving, DeMarcus Cousins, Gordon Hayward (taken with our pick) among many many many others didn't warrant a highlight. Gimme a frickin break.

I slipped on Hayward...he is a solid player, no doubt but, as much as I like Cousins and Irving, would you build around those two?

Especially since Irving has been in the cellar prior to the arrival of King James and Cousins is a head case?

BUT....even if you want to add THOSE THREE...thats still 11 OUT OF 150 FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS and 9 out of 65 Lottery picks. Still not great odds if you ask me.

So what is your suggestion. You want them to trade the pick? That's never worked out either for us lol

crzymdups wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I like how Kyrie Irving, DeMarcus Cousins, Gordon Hayward (taken with our pick) among many many many others didn't warrant a highlight. Gimme a frickin break.

I slipped on Hayward...he is a solid player, no doubt but, as much as I like Cousins and Irving, would you build around those two?

Especially since Irving has been in the cellar prior to the arrival of King James and Cousins is a head case?

BUT....even if you want to add THOSE THREE...thats still 11 OUT OF 150 FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS and 9 out of 65 Lottery picks. Still not great odds if you ask me.

There are so many other good players you left off, it's not even worth debating this with you. You scream about trading for Wiggins and then don't even highlight him as a good player from the draft. LOL. I give up, man. You're right the draft is trash. Good players just materialize in Free Agency.

For Wiggins AND Rubio.

Don't play dumb here, you know why I highlighted these players. They are just not "good". You can ignore this all you want, but this is the reality.

Why take a chance on the unknown when you can a "PROVEN NBA PLAYER"? Per the suggested trade that Nalod made (Pick and Rose for Wiggins and Rubio), would that fill needed holes on this Knicks roster and make them better?

Or will drafting an unknown but very talented player like J.Jackson, who can't seem to stay out of trouble off the court, the way to go?

Tough to look at that list knowing we gave away picks those years. That is why I am happy with big chief triangle. He has put an emphasis on keeping our 1st round picks.

Got it. Because the draft isn't a sure thing we should trade all of our picks since there's no way we could fuck that up.

Swishfm3 wrote:Why take a chance on the unknown when you can a "PROVEN NBA PLAYER"? Per the suggested trade that Nalod made (Pick and Rose for Wiggins and Rubio), would that fill needed holes on this Knicks roster and make them better?

Or will drafting an unknown but very talented player like J.Jackson, who can't seem to stay out of trouble off the court, the way to go?

And based on that, why would the Timberwolves make this deal in the first place?

The logic has to extend both ways. This is why "Win/Win" trade scenarios are the most practical given actual NBA marketplace values and conditions. This is not a Win/Win proposal, it's a trade no one here would want the Knicks to make if the franchises were in complete reverse ( i.e. a total flip flop of rosters, coaches, draft situation, etc, etc)

If you "flip" the trade around and it still looks like a trade you'd make from the other side, then the deal starts to look feasible.

A "baseline" should be, does anyone on that list

A) Become an instant starter on current Knicks, from a value standpoint
B) Is the player in question, at minimum, able to give replacement level production of the average player at said position
C) Does the player offer exponential value , based on his production versus his rookie salary cost, while factoring in his overall draft position

Tons of those guys listed would be instant starters on the Knicks. Maybe they won't end up in the Hall Of Fame, but if they are better than what the Knick have now, they have value to this roster in an abstract sense.

Never let "great" be the enemy of "good" While it's nice to hit a homerun in every draft, sometimes all you can do is get a pretty good player. Nothing wrong with a pretty good player, esp relative to his draft position. Festus Ezeli won't make the Hall Of Fame, but he is/was a useful big considering his draft position.

What's wrong with getting three Avery Bradley types, three years in a row? Sure, it's not an All Star, but if he can start on the current roster, who cares that he's not an All Star.

If the TWolves offered a trade of Wiggins and Rubio for the Knicks lottery pick and Rose, then sure, make that deal. That's highway robbery of Minnesota. Except the TWolves would NEVER make that deal. You, yourself, gave the reason why, why lose a young established player for a draft risk?

Guys need to recalibrate expectations. You don't need to get a HOF player each and every time you draft. It's nice if you can do it, but you just need guys, to start, who will play defense and real team basketball. Walk, then run.

Kemba Walker has really blossomed these past two years into a really good player.

crzymdups wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I like how Kyrie Irving, DeMarcus Cousins, Gordon Hayward (taken with our pick) among many many many others didn't warrant a highlight. Gimme a frickin break.

I slipped on Hayward...he is a solid player, no doubt but, as much as I like Cousins and Irving, would you build around those two?

Especially since Irving has been in the cellar prior to the arrival of King James and Cousins is a head case?

BUT....even if you want to add THOSE THREE...thats still 11 OUT OF 150 FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS and 9 out of 65 Lottery picks. Still not great odds if you ask me.

There are so many other good players you left off, it's not even worth debating this with you. You scream about trading for Wiggins and then don't even highlight him as a good player from the draft. LOL. I give up, man. You're right the draft is trash. Good players just materialize in Free Agency.

Yep, why do people still deny the draft is the only way to go?! Do they think that every year 30 stars are drafted into the draft? Of course there's a high miss rate, but here are the basics:

The next allstars, good players, franchise changers, good role players, and transcending talents in the nba only have one entrance gate to the NBA- the draft. A lottery pick gives you a sign with their name on when you go to pick them up as they walk through the gate. The higher the pick you have, you get first dibs on who's name you can write on the sign. The alternative to the draft is you decide- ah, actually I'm not going to bother going to meet them at the gate and pick them up for essentially free- I'm going to wait until NINE YEARS into their career and try and entice them to leave their current job, and I'm going to try doing it with less money than what their current job offers.

So the criteria for judging first round picks is "All Star" players?

The point is that tanking is not a one or two year proposition...It may at least 5 to 8 years of tanking to get a couple good players on your roster...And at that point one or two of them better be elite scorers if you want to compete for a title...Minny, Philly, NO, GS, etc have been tanking for over a decade...SA got lucky in finding Khawi, who is now an elite scorer to continue their push..Knick fans seem to think they can add a pass first PG to KP and in a couple of years compete for a title...Insanity...

Let's look at Cleveland..They were miserable and tanked for years to get LeBron...LeBron had to leave for Cleveland for them to continue tanking, getting a few more first round draft picks. LeBron, an elite scorer had to return for them to compete with Kyre, who can be an elite scorer too...They traded two number ones picks for Love...Cleveland had like 4 number one picks in the last 13 years ish..Shaq had to hook up with Kobe, two elite scorers from two franchises which had been tanking for years or LA would have been a non event...Dirk was an elite scorer but Dallas, who also tanked for years, kept retooling until they found the right formula...

GS tanked for years and got two elite scorers close in age to build a competitive team...KD, Westbrook, Harden caught lightning in a bottle being drafted so close together...They had two possible three elite scorers on that ball club...DeRozen turned into an elite scorer along with Lowry to make them competitive...Isiah Thomas is an elite scorer in Boston, they need another...


My frustration is that we had an elite scorer in his prime on our roster and couldn't rub two nickels together to get a dime...Dolan decided to dismantle the roster under Woodson with Melo, an elite scorer, in his prime...Phil comes in and doesn't even try to recruit or retool, goes into a pseudo tank mode, flipping the roster every 6 months or hedging the roster which ended up making the team non competitive.....Melo becomes a wasted trade...

We are just beginning to tank..It will take years..I hope we pick up an elite scorer or two and with defenders along the way...There will be years of lots of losses and sucking post Melo and Rose...

yellowboy90 wrote:Kemba Walker has really blossomed these past two years into a really good player.

he was one player in college that I really thought would excel - took him a while, but wished we could have drafted him

franco12 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Kemba Walker has really blossomed these past two years into a really good player.

he was one player in college that I really thought would excel - took him a while, but wished we could have drafted him

he would have been ran out of town after year 2. Pa-lease

crzymdups wrote:I like how Kyrie Irving, DeMarcus Cousins, Gordon Hayward (taken with our pick) among many many many others didn't warrant a highlight. Gimme a frickin break.

My thoughts exactly. Those aren't star players?

crzymdups wrote:I like how Kyrie Irving, DeMarcus Cousins, Gordon Hayward (taken with our pick) among many many many others didn't warrant a highlight. Gimme a frickin break.

My thoughts exactly. Those aren't star players?

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Kemba Walker has really blossomed these past two years into a really good player.

he was one player in college that I really thought would excel - took him a while, but wished we could have drafted him

he would have been ran out of town after year 2. Pa-lease

by the fans or by our historically impatient front office?

And year 2 he was averaging 17 pts a game.

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Kemba Walker has really blossomed these past two years into a really good player.

he was one player in college that I really thought would excel - took him a while, but wished we could have drafted him

he would have been ran out of town after year 2. Pa-lease

by the fans or by our historically impatient front office?

And year 2 he was averaging 17 pts a game.

what came first? the chicken or the egg?

also not on the list are second rounders like Dray Green, Jokic, Brogdon, most of Miami's team etc.

I think what this list actually shows is that the teams who can find diamonds win, and many of those diamonds (e.g., Steph) weren't perceived as so shiny when drafted (see Kawhi etc.)

And if we had any success in recent years it's been our drafting -- much better than our success in FA. This past year with Baker, Randle we did better than some teams who had picks

Chandler wrote:also not on the list are second rounders like Dray Green, Jokic, Brogdon, most of Miami's team etc.

I think what this list actually shows is that the teams who can find diamonds win, and many of those diamonds (e.g., Steph) weren't perceived as so shiny when drafted (see Kawhi etc.)

And if we had any success in recent years it's been our drafting -- much better than our success in FA. This past year with Baker, Randle we did better than some teams who had picks

you means the guys we drafted that phil traded away..