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Knixkik wrote:We aren't losing every game to finish the year. That's just not realistic.

This is the Knicks man! It'll happen!

Knixkik wrote:We aren't losing every game to finish the year. That's just not realistic.

We don't need to- look at the tank standings, we only need to lose 1 or 2 games and we're at the 8th spot in the draft. 1 or 2 games- we'd better not risk it then?! What moron would do that?!, you say:

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Nalod wrote:You can't tank against a team that is in free fall like the Pistons are.
They are just that bad at the moment.

That's it. Don't worry though we probably won't win too much more

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We aren't losing every game to finish the year. That's just not realistic.

We don't need to- look at the tank standings, we only need to lose 1 or 2 games and we're at the 8th spot in the draft. 1 or 2 games- we'd better not risk it then?! What moron would do that?!, you say:

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What does that even mean Jeff?

knicks1248 wrote:you guys are funny, you actually think this team was tanking..Tanking would mean starting baker, randle and ndour

It's amazing how many times it needs to be said that players and coaches do not tank and you can't blame them for that. I'm with everyone on wanting as high a pick as possible but i like what Hornachek said after the game that maybe the teams that do keep playing hard and not tank will get some good karma when the ping pong balls come up. We won 2 out of our last 3 games last year and ended up with KP.

fishmike wrote:I hope Frank does. The more depth and talent up top the better. Workouts will be telling.

A top 8 pick guarantees us one of:

M.Fultz
L.Ball
J.Jackson
D.Smith
D.Fox
F.Nitkilinajhjabshuem
J.Tatum
M.Monk

I'd be happy with any of them so we just need to stay in the top 8 and who knows how them ping pong balls will come up.

Even after those 8 there's still some strong looking players after that but not many of need for us after maybe J.Issac/M.Bridges cause the next guys are all big guys and we're more than good there.

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:you guys are funny, you actually think this team was tanking..Tanking would mean starting baker, randle and ndour

It's amazing how many times it needs to be said that players and coaches do not tank and you can't blame them for that. I'm with everyone on wanting as high a pick as possible but i like what Hornachek said after the game that maybe the teams that do keep playing hard and not tank will get some good karma when the ping pong balls come up. We won 2 out of our last 3 games last year and ended up with KP.

All jokes aside, i actually do think Ntilikina is the most likely pick for this team, if we don't draft in the top 3. Assuming we draft 6th or 7th, i see Ntilikina checking all of the boxes of what both Phil and Hornacek would want. Fox is amazing, but lacks the outside shooting, Monk is amazing but might lack the position on defense, and Smith is great but seems a lot like Rose. Ntilikina is a big guard, who can shoot, defend, and pass. It's rare to find a guy who has upside in all 3 areas. My biggest concern with him really is does he have star potential like the other guys? And will we have the patience for a player who is still 18 years old? But this player has the look of a Phil pick.

Knixkik wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:you guys are funny, you actually think this team was tanking..Tanking would mean starting baker, randle and ndour

It's amazing how many times it needs to be said that players and coaches do not tank and you can't blame them for that. I'm with everyone on wanting as high a pick as possible but i like what Hornachek said after the game that maybe the teams that do keep playing hard and not tank will get some good karma when the ping pong balls come up. We won 2 out of our last 3 games last year and ended up with KP.

All jokes aside, i actually do think Ntilikina is the most likely pick for this team, if we don't draft in the top 3. Assuming we draft 6th or 7th, i see Ntilikina checking all of the boxes of what both Phil and Hornacek would want. Fox is amazing, but lacks the outside shooting, Monk is amazing but might lack the position on defense, and Smith is great but seems a lot like Rose. Ntilikina is a big guard, who can shoot, defend, and pass. It's rare to find a guy who has upside in all 3 areas. My biggest concern with him really is does he have star potential like the other guys? And will we have the patience for a player who is still 18 years old? But this player has the look of a Phil pick.

I absolutely think they have Frank as a kid they'd love to get but i wouldn't count D.Fox or Monk out cause of their defense. Frank might not even make it to the 7th or 8th slot. The good thing is if we end up in the top 8 we will come away with a good player. I really like Tatum and know we need a PG but maybe Phil can shock everyone and sign Jrue Holiday this off season especially if we can get his brother to re-sign with us. I can't wait for the off season to get here and of course the draft.

Knixkik wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:you guys are funny, you actually think this team was tanking..Tanking would mean starting baker, randle and ndour

It's amazing how many times it needs to be said that players and coaches do not tank and you can't blame them for that. I'm with everyone on wanting as high a pick as possible but i like what Hornachek said after the game that maybe the teams that do keep playing hard and not tank will get some good karma when the ping pong balls come up. We won 2 out of our last 3 games last year and ended up with KP.

All jokes aside, i actually do think Ntilikina is the most likely pick for this team, if we don't draft in the top 3. Assuming we draft 6th or 7th, i see Ntilikina checking all of the boxes of what both Phil and Hornacek would want. Fox is amazing, but lacks the outside shooting, Monk is amazing but might lack the position on defense, and Smith is great but seems a lot like Rose. Ntilikina is a big guard, who can shoot, defend, and pass. It's rare to find a guy who has upside in all 3 areas. My biggest concern with him really is does he have star potential like the other guys? And will we have the patience for a player who is still 18 years old? But this player has the look of a Phil pick.

1. Fultz/Ball
2. Ball/Fultz
3. JJ
4. Monk/Fox
5. Fox/Monk
6. Frank

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smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We aren't losing every game to finish the year. That's just not realistic.

We don't need to- look at the tank standings, we only need to lose 1 or 2 games and we're at the 8th spot in the draft. 1 or 2 games- we'd better not risk it then?! What moron would do that?!, you say:

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What does that even mean Jeff?

Nalod wrote:I suppose its ok to ask about the credentials of the guy who put together the video?
competition looked kind of weak and labeling a video before the play is very convincing.
Sure the kid looked good, but we'll know more when he comes in for tryouts with teams.
The Euro's don't get hyped until later in the process. More to choose from.

Not sure- they do work for draftexpress, which is the main draft website. Highlight vids always make them look good though- watch the video on 'weaknesses' and they suddenly look awful!

Nalod wrote:I suppose its ok to ask about the credentials of the guy who put together the video?
competition looked kind of weak and labeling a video before the play is very convincing.
Sure the kid looked good, but we'll know more when he comes in for tryouts with teams.
The Euro's don't get hyped until later in the process. More to choose from.

The concern about Frank has definitely been the opposition he faced in the French league. It's not as strong as the Spanish leagues...

That said, Draft Express is pretty well respected when it comes to their scouting videos. They've certainly been wrong before.

Most 18yr old Euro kids are projects. We may have gotten a little spoiled by KP and Willy being ready, polished, and hungry. It doesn't always happen like that.

Also, I don't have any stats on this, but I feel like for Euro bigs moving over to the US game is easier... for guards, the transition is harder.

That said, if Gaines was all in on Frank... I'd be very curious. Especially if Fox is off the board by the time we pick.

Moonangie wrote:Wow, impressive scouting video. This kid looks great for us. Checks all the boxes, with an extra checkmark in the D box. Anything pick 6 or lower and he's a no-brainer. Picks 1-5 he probably won't be our guy.
1. Fultz/Ball
2. Ball/Fultz
3. JJ
4. Monk/Fox
5. Fox/Monk
6. Frank

I agree with this ranking in general... though I'd have Fox over Monk. And Jackson over everyone. But otherwise agree.