Knicks · Melo is at peace but still doesn't get it (page 1)
Yes! Great job accepting your role!
"I see the writing on the wall. I see what it is," Anthony said late Wednesday night. "I see what they're trying to do, and it's just me accepting that. That's what puts me at peace. Just knowing and understanding how things work. I'm at peace with that."
Nooooo! The Knicks never wanted you to go out there and try to score 30 or 40 a night!
"I don't think me going out there, trying to score 30 and 40 every night and playing that way, is going to help them out at this point."
This roster is just really bad, or the system is really bad for this roster.
Andrew wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19035...Yes! Great job accepting your role!
"I see the writing on the wall. I see what it is," Anthony said late Wednesday night. "I see what they're trying to do, and it's just me accepting that. That's what puts me at peace. Just knowing and understanding how things work. I'm at peace with that."Nooooo! The Knicks never wanted you to go out there and try to score 30 or 40 a night!
"I don't think me going out there, trying to score 30 and 40 every night and playing that way, is going to help them out at this point."
I don't understand the thread??..What doesn't he get??..The dude can't say he has accepted a reduced role and that just be that???
EnySpree wrote:Melo is a loser. He's stubborn to the end. He's only going to play his way.... even if it means the team is going to lose. The superstar has to buy in. That's where the leadership starts. As long as Melo is here we can't build a team. It's sad. He needs to go. After his comments now, I think he should just be shut down. It's overyea when he had the legs of a 28 year old there might have been something there. If people need to blame MSG for failing to build better teams around this guy fine... but its done now. Melo still has value in the league but not for this team. He's a 100% liability for this roster.
holfresh wrote:that going out and scoring 30-40 a night was never what the Knicks needed in the first place. Chuckers gonna chuck. Some can see that. Others are only allowed to post points that directly indicate some mistake on Phil's part so I can see why this is a struggle for you.Andrew wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19035...Yes! Great job accepting your role!
"I see the writing on the wall. I see what it is," Anthony said late Wednesday night. "I see what they're trying to do, and it's just me accepting that. That's what puts me at peace. Just knowing and understanding how things work. I'm at peace with that."Nooooo! The Knicks never wanted you to go out there and try to score 30 or 40 a night!
"I don't think me going out there, trying to score 30 and 40 every night and playing that way, is going to help them out at this point."
I don't understand the thread??..What doesn't he get??..The dude can't say he has accepted a reduced role and that just be that???
Andrew wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19035...Yes! Great job accepting your role!
"I see the writing on the wall. I see what it is," Anthony said late Wednesday night. "I see what they're trying to do, and it's just me accepting that. That's what puts me at peace. Just knowing and understanding how things work. I'm at peace with that."Nooooo! The Knicks never wanted you to go out there and try to score 30 or 40 a night!
"I don't think me going out there, trying to score 30 and 40 every night and playing that way, is going to help them out at this point."
All that talent coupled with equal lack of smarts and a sullen sulking childlike need for attention. Always been a bad combination. He doesn't see anything no matter what he says. He has bedn extremely consistent in doing what he wants and getting his way.
The man is a legend .... at least in his own mind.
THE INCREDIBLE SULK - our very own super hero.
fishmike wrote:holfresh wrote:that going out and scoring 30-40 a night was never what the Knicks needed in the first place. Chuckers gonna chuck. Some can see that. Others are only allowed to post points that directly indicate some mistake on Phil's part so I can see why this is a struggle for you.Andrew wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19035...Yes! Great job accepting your role!
"I see the writing on the wall. I see what it is," Anthony said late Wednesday night. "I see what they're trying to do, and it's just me accepting that. That's what puts me at peace. Just knowing and understanding how things work. I'm at peace with that."Nooooo! The Knicks never wanted you to go out there and try to score 30 or 40 a night!
"I don't think me going out there, trying to score 30 and 40 every night and playing that way, is going to help them out at this point."
I don't understand the thread??..What doesn't he get??..The dude can't say he has accepted a reduced role and that just be that???
You are trying nitpick what he is actually saying and that's a silly way to look at things...He is saying this team doesn't need him in that role of a scorer...But depending on some teams makeup and teams that Melo has been on, where he is usually been the only offensive weapon, there were nights where he needed to score 30/40 points for to compete..But that isn't what he is saying at all...He isn't saying I need to go out there and score 30/40 point..
holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...
Those guys actually did it in a way that helped their teams win though (efficient scoring and/or a strong impact on both ends of the court). How many games these past years have we won where Melo scored 30 to 40? Those guys also could do this and pile up the assists - they weren't neglecting their teammates.
Harden gets 30 to 40 with remarkable efficiency due to his FT shooting. Westbrook and Kobe were able to get 30 to 40 with reasonably good efficiency and still save enough energy for outstanding defense and they were good at setting their teammates up. (And I shouldn't even need to explain MJ.)
The concern with Melo is that when he talks about a reduced role on offense, he's probably thinking taking 18 shots a game instead of 20. I've never seen him take a seriously reduced role. The best thing he could do would be take 12 or 13 high quality shots a game and then use his passing skills to improve his teammates, and save his energy for defense. He actually can be an excellent passer and good defender when he wants to be. The problem is not with his skills - it's his approach to the game. This hasn't changed in the past 14 years. He always had a max-contract skill set with the wrong mindset.
holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...
wow mentioning melo with all those guys is pure comedy. but it's really funny you should mention james harden... isn't it ironic that harden is averaging near a triple-double with the coach that melo was to stubborn to adapt to and decided to stop playing for? if that's not exhibitA of how melo has handled his whole entire career in the NBA, i'm not sure what is.
Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...
Those guys actually did it in a way that helped their teams win though (efficient scoring and/or a strong impact on both ends of the court). How many games these past years have we won where Melo scored 30 to 40? Those guys also could do this and pile up the assists - they weren't neglecting their teammates.
Harden gets 30 to 40 with remarkable efficiency due to his FT shooting. Westbrook and Kobe were able to get 30 to 40 with reasonably good efficiency and still save enough energy for outstanding defense and they were good at setting their teammates up. (And I shouldn't even need to explain MJ.)
The concern with Melo is that when he talks about a reduced role on offense, he's probably thinking taking 18 shots a game instead of 20. I've never seen him take a seriously reduced role. The best thing he could do would be take 12 or 13 high quality shots a game and then use his passing skills to improve his teammates, and save his energy for defense. He actually can be an excellent passer and good defender when he wants to be. The problem is not with his skills - it's his approach to the game. This hasn't changed in the past 14 years.
Well we can compare rosters position for position, you really want o go there???
nyk4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...wow mentioning melo with all those guys is pure comedy. but it's really funny you should mention james harden... isn't it ironic that harden is averaging near a triple-double with the coach that melo was to stubborn to adapt to and decided to stop playing for? if that's not exhibitA of how melo has handled his whole entire career in the NBA, i'm not sure what is.
Good point. I didn't even think of that.
Lets be frank, Melo gets hot the Garden is loud and fans are happy. Nothing wrong with that.
Only 24 players in NBA history have scored more points than him. In a league that measures many things. scoring is up there. He is bound for the HOF on a first ballot.
What is he suppose to say? "No comment"? This is Melo's way of saying he is "Good with it". Big Ego, but isn't that kind of how these guys are?
Im ok with what he said, Im ok with knicks not playing him, Im ok with him leaving. He has not engaged in the offense enough. I have seen him be a great passer and fulfill the vision but on a limited basis.
Maybe he can't do it full time. Maybe he don't want to.
Its just business, if he is not all in, he should move on. No need for big drama, just Move on. We'll have a nice "Melo Night" in a few years. Can't retire his number, that's reserved for gods.
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...
Those guys actually did it in a way that helped their teams win though (efficient scoring and/or a strong impact on both ends of the court). How many games these past years have we won where Melo scored 30 to 40? Those guys also could do this and pile up the assists - they weren't neglecting their teammates.
Harden gets 30 to 40 with remarkable efficiency due to his FT shooting. Westbrook and Kobe were able to get 30 to 40 with reasonably good efficiency and still save enough energy for outstanding defense and they were good at setting their teammates up. (And I shouldn't even need to explain MJ.)
The concern with Melo is that when he talks about a reduced role on offense, he's probably thinking taking 18 shots a game instead of 20. I've never seen him take a seriously reduced role. The best thing he could do would be take 12 or 13 high quality shots a game and then use his passing skills to improve his teammates, and save his energy for defense. He actually can be an excellent passer and good defender when he wants to be. The problem is not with his skills - it's his approach to the game. This hasn't changed in the past 14 years.Well we can compare rosters position for position, you really want o go there???
Melo has had enough all-stars, award-winning teammates (DPOY, MVP candidate) that he should have been able to do much better than he has. What is he like .500 in his career and .300 in the playoffs? Of course teammates matter but no, I will not say this is 100% due to his teammates or even close to that. Teammates can never be an excuse for poor shot selection and poor defense. As long as you have guys who can make a layup you should not be chucking off-balance mid range shots with 15 left on the shot clock.
nyk4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...wow mentioning melo with all those guys is pure comedy. but it's really funny you should mention james harden... isn't it ironic that harden is averaging near a triple-double with the coach that melo was to stubborn to adapt to and decided to stop playing for? if that's not exhibitA of how melo has handled his whole entire career in the NBA, i'm not sure what is.
Yet another one of your silly post out of the rafters to drop on us..I would respond thoughtfully but you don't reciprocate so I won't waste my time...
Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...
Those guys actually did it in a way that helped their teams win though (efficient scoring and/or a strong impact on both ends of the court). How many games these past years have we won where Melo scored 30 to 40? Those guys also could do this and pile up the assists - they weren't neglecting their teammates.
Harden gets 30 to 40 with remarkable efficiency due to his FT shooting. Westbrook and Kobe were able to get 30 to 40 with reasonably good efficiency and still save enough energy for outstanding defense and they were good at setting their teammates up. (And I shouldn't even need to explain MJ.)
The concern with Melo is that when he talks about a reduced role on offense, he's probably thinking taking 18 shots a game instead of 20. I've never seen him take a seriously reduced role. The best thing he could do would be take 12 or 13 high quality shots a game and then use his passing skills to improve his teammates, and save his energy for defense. He actually can be an excellent passer and good defender when he wants to be. The problem is not with his skills - it's his approach to the game. This hasn't changed in the past 14 years.Well we can compare rosters position for position, you really want o go there???
Melo has had enough all-stars, award-winning teammates (DPOY, MVP candidate) that he should have been able to do much better than he has. Of course teammates matter but no, I will not say this is 100% due to his teammates or even close to that. Teammates can never be an excuse for poor shot selection and poor defense. As long as you have guys who can make a layup you should not be chucking off-balance mid range shots with 15 left on the shot clock.
????..Who, name them!!!
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...
Those guys actually did it in a way that helped their teams win though (efficient scoring and/or a strong impact on both ends of the court). How many games these past years have we won where Melo scored 30 to 40? Those guys also could do this and pile up the assists - they weren't neglecting their teammates.
Harden gets 30 to 40 with remarkable efficiency due to his FT shooting. Westbrook and Kobe were able to get 30 to 40 with reasonably good efficiency and still save enough energy for outstanding defense and they were good at setting their teammates up. (And I shouldn't even need to explain MJ.)
The concern with Melo is that when he talks about a reduced role on offense, he's probably thinking taking 18 shots a game instead of 20. I've never seen him take a seriously reduced role. The best thing he could do would be take 12 or 13 high quality shots a game and then use his passing skills to improve his teammates, and save his energy for defense. He actually can be an excellent passer and good defender when he wants to be. The problem is not with his skills - it's his approach to the game. This hasn't changed in the past 14 years.Well we can compare rosters position for position, you really want o go there???
Melo has had enough all-stars, award-winning teammates (DPOY, MVP candidate) that he should have been able to do much better than he has. Of course teammates matter but no, I will not say this is 100% due to his teammates or even close to that. Teammates can never be an excuse for poor shot selection and poor defense. As long as you have guys who can make a layup you should not be chucking off-balance mid range shots with 15 left on the shot clock.
????..Who, name them!!!
Are you serious? Are you actually watching? Billups, Stoudemire, Tyson, Iverson. Most teams don't have two all-stars but he has had an all-star teammate many seasons. And he's had plenty of competent non-all-star teammates too. He's had enough support that if he actually used his skill set intelligently (on both ends of the court), his teams would have done much better than .300 or so in the playoffs and .500 in the regular season. (I'm just estimating the career winning percentages.) He's had a max contract skill set with a poor mindset his whole career.
off topic: I noticed that the SAS have a second unit of aged all-stars. There's some logic to that. They're expected to play fewer minutes, and because of their age they're expected to contribute in those limited minutes.
If we do keep Melo (and if he shows up soft again for pre-season as he has since forever) it would be great if the front office anoints him leader of the second unit.