Nalod wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Nalod wrote:So its assumed the underperforming Rubio would have had the same games with a new team, new players, new city and new offense that he had all that and the same results?
And........
If successful would have perhaps ruined our draft position.
And........
We'd have just 9mm of cap space next season.Find a way to agitate yourselves and work into a frenzy to hate on phil more.
So if you have a chance to trade a worthless asset(at end of trade deadline) for a 2 year asset, you don't do it? If it's true, this was a miss.
Rubio goes on a nice 20 game run where he shoots well, which is not a career make, and now its a "mess".
I know your jumping to nail phil on anything, but c'mon.
You guys killed phil for Jose's contract who makes HALF of Rubio salary.
Would you sign rubio for 14mm per this off season?
Say Jrue Holiday or Hill was available and we only had 9mm to round out our roster? Then what?
If Minny wanted to dump Rubio, does that mean they wanted to sign Rose?
Way too many questions to which we don't have answers.
Yes, I give phil the benefit of the doubt. You don't. So perhaps there is the logic. We have no hard facts to really say what happend.
The logic is that any asset is better than no asset. Regardless of what Rubio could or could not do, he was worth more than an unsigned Rose. Which is what we will have. That's logic. Again, if true, that is another miss by Phil. But guess bringing up any of his bad decisions is "itching to get on him"
crzymdups wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:I posted about his performance after the trade deadline a few weeks ago.Of significance for Minnesota...does Rubio's surge have anything to do with Lavine being out of the lineup?
Pretty sure that they've had a better record without Lavine, who I know has a following on this forum...
If I'm the T-Wolves, I think about moving Lavine some point soon. I'd look to draft a SG who can play D and be effective on offense without high usage.
I see Rubio's rise as a reality check about Lavine and how team chemistry is more important than individual greatness.
That may well be true about Lavine. I know they consider him somewhat a hybrid PG/SG and that's why Rubio was on the block, along with Kris Dunn's rise and Thibs' interest in Rose.
Yeah, I really don't like the energy Lavine and Wiggins give off on the court together. Honestly, I'd look to move both of those guys before Rubio if I were Minnie.
I figure they keep one and trade one...LaVine has to show he was not slowed by his injury though...so I figure it will happen next year.
Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Vmart wrote:crzymdups wrote:
Instead of hating on Phil we should commend Phil. Rubio's superior play has put the Wolves ahead of the Knicks in the lottery aspect. Should I say the Knicks ahead of the Wolves.
Phil is great at accidentally getting us great lottery picks. Maybe a few years from now when they're writing the biography for his time as President here it will say something like "Enabled the team to get a top 5 draft pick every year!"
I mean he could habe traded future drafty picks in order to try and win now. Thus not getting a chance to land lotto picks in case his moves didn't work out.
Golden State accidentally landed in the lottery when they landed Klay Thompson. As they traded for D-Lee believing Biendrins Lee Ellis and Curry would get them in the playoffs
Of course. That would make him a historically bad president at the level of Isiah rather than just an ordinary bad president. The ordinary bad ones don't trade away their picks but still find themselves in the draft lottery every year.
So trading away THJ, Shump, Grant and wasting pick on Early is not trading away picks? So hold on to draft picks and then trade for nothing within a year or two. Got it.
WaltLongmire wrote:holfresh wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:I posted about his performance after the trade deadline a few weeks ago.Of significance for Minnesota...does Rubio's surge have anything to do with Lavine being out of the lineup?
Pretty sure that they've had a better record without Lavine, who I know has a following on this forum...
If I'm the T-Wolves, I think about moving Lavine some point soon. I'd look to draft a SG who can play D and be effective on offense without high usage.
I see Rubio's rise as a reality check about Lavine and how team chemistry is more important than individual greatness.
Minny lost 7 of the last 10 games...They are losing with and without Lavine...
And just because a guy doesn't fit one team isn't a barometer on fit for another team..Ex. Bill Cartwright trade for Charles Oakley...One thing has nothing to do with the other..And I don't like Lavine...Rubio has been quarterbacking a losing situation since he came into the league as well..Which probably means nothing too..
But how does Rubio fit the triangle which usually thrives on a reliable perimeter PG shooting and not necessarily a ball dominant guard...None of these attributes you can assign to Rubio..
11-13 since he went down...even with the recent losing. That seems to be a significant difference.
Understand that chemistry is a strange thing. I am not sure Rubio fits the Triangle-that would be up to Jackson to figure out.
I saw the trade as a way to get some value for Rose...and let Rubio be a bridge as we developed a drafted PG.
Rubio has clearly stepped up his game since LaVine left...the surge in scoring is pretty striking given his history as an offensive player. He benefits from continued improvement by KAT, but it also seems that he has taken it upon himself to be more offensive minded.
Rubio wasn't great before Lavine got there...I'm not sure there is a correlation...But players go on runs...Consistency separates good players from average players...
crzymdups wrote:
That is such a douchy tweet
Seems like there are always knick fans that seem to revel in the failure of whom is to blame and rally for removal as to have hope.
Its human nature.
So is praying to the sun god everyday that the sun comes back up. Then we find the earth is round and there are reasons the sun has a cycle.
I'd rather fail making decisions then be stuck in mediocrity for not trying. Thus phils arrogance and swagger is seen as bad traits.
As long as he does not leverage the future like Isiah did with his swagger and arrogance, Im ok with it.
Nalod wrote:Seems like there are always knick fans that seem to revel in the failure of whom is to blame and rally for removal as to have hope.
Its human nature.
So is praying to the sun god everyday that the sun comes back up. Then we find the earth is round and there are reasons the sun has a cycle.
I'd rather fail making decisions then be stuck in mediocrity for not trying. Thus phils arrogance and swagger is seen as bad traits.
As long as he does not leverage the future like Isiah did with his swagger and arrogance, Im ok with it.
This is exactly the blind sheep mentality that has made us suck for way too long. Need to stop trying to chase shinny objects that we feel will magically turn things around. Phil was just another example of the Starphuck name Dolan thought would get us out of mediocrity. Problem is, yet again, he didn't have any brains to realize know what the fuck he was doing. Picked an arrogant old name with an old system who had no experience in what we really needed. You can continue to stick your head in the sand and hope this high profile name has any value. So far he has shown he is just another Starphuck.
WaltLongmire wrote:holfresh wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:I posted about his performance after the trade deadline a few weeks ago.Of significance for Minnesota...does Rubio's surge have anything to do with Lavine being out of the lineup?
Pretty sure that they've had a better record without Lavine, who I know has a following on this forum...
If I'm the T-Wolves, I think about moving Lavine some point soon. I'd look to draft a SG who can play D and be effective on offense without high usage.
I see Rubio's rise as a reality check about Lavine and how team chemistry is more important than individual greatness.
Minny lost 7 of the last 10 games...They are losing with and without Lavine...
And just because a guy doesn't fit one team isn't a barometer on fit for another team..Ex. Bill Cartwright trade for Charles Oakley...One thing has nothing to do with the other..And I don't like Lavine...Rubio has been quarterbacking a losing situation since he came into the league as well..Which probably means nothing too..
But how does Rubio fit the triangle which usually thrives on a reliable perimeter PG shooting and not necessarily a ball dominant guard...None of these attributes you can assign to Rubio..
11-13 since he went down...even with the recent losing. That seems to be a significant difference.
Understand that chemistry is a strange thing. I am not sure Rubio fits the Triangle-that would be up to Jackson to figure out.
I saw the trade as a way to get some value for Rose...and let Rubio be a bridge as we developed a drafted PG.
Rubio has clearly stepped up his game since LaVine left...the surge in scoring is pretty striking given his history as an offensive player. He benefits from continued improvement by KAT, but it also seems that he has taken it upon himself to be more offensive minded.
Agreed - you can't predict chemistry. I was hoping Melo and Rose might have some. But they seem to just take turns going one on one rather than understand how to play together.
I was thinking Rubio might potentially have some good chemistry with KP, but sometimes there's really no way to tell until you just try it out. It also takes time to develop.
crzymdups wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:holfresh wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:I posted about his performance after the trade deadline a few weeks ago.Of significance for Minnesota...does Rubio's surge have anything to do with Lavine being out of the lineup?
Pretty sure that they've had a better record without Lavine, who I know has a following on this forum...
If I'm the T-Wolves, I think about moving Lavine some point soon. I'd look to draft a SG who can play D and be effective on offense without high usage.
I see Rubio's rise as a reality check about Lavine and how team chemistry is more important than individual greatness.
Minny lost 7 of the last 10 games...They are losing with and without Lavine...
And just because a guy doesn't fit one team isn't a barometer on fit for another team..Ex. Bill Cartwright trade for Charles Oakley...One thing has nothing to do with the other..And I don't like Lavine...Rubio has been quarterbacking a losing situation since he came into the league as well..Which probably means nothing too..
But how does Rubio fit the triangle which usually thrives on a reliable perimeter PG shooting and not necessarily a ball dominant guard...None of these attributes you can assign to Rubio..
11-13 since he went down...even with the recent losing. That seems to be a significant difference.
Understand that chemistry is a strange thing. I am not sure Rubio fits the Triangle-that would be up to Jackson to figure out.
I saw the trade as a way to get some value for Rose...and let Rubio be a bridge as we developed a drafted PG.
Rubio has clearly stepped up his game since LaVine left...the surge in scoring is pretty striking given his history as an offensive player. He benefits from continued improvement by KAT, but it also seems that he has taken it upon himself to be more offensive minded.
Agreed - you can't predict chemistry. I was hoping Melo and Rose might have some. But they seem to just take turns going one on one rather than understand how to play together.
I was thinking Rubio might potentially have some good chemistry with KP, but sometimes there's really no way to tell until you just try it out. It also takes time to develop.
I agree. However, I think chemistry comes easier between 2 players when one is more of a passer compared to trying to develop chemistry between two scorers. Just comes more naturally when one willingly takes on a facilitator role.
wargames wrote:crzymdups wrote:
That is such a douchy tweet
Douchier than taking a shit on Riley for losing Lebron and calling Lebron's associates his "posse"? Douchier than crowing about how 3pt offenses and analytics were stupid when the Warriors went down 2-1 to the Grizzlies in the 2015 playoffs?
You have to understand - Phil has not made ANY friends around the league in his time here. People aren't exactly rooting for him to succeed.
HofstraBBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Vmart wrote:crzymdups wrote:
Instead of hating on Phil we should commend Phil. Rubio's superior play has put the Wolves ahead of the Knicks in the lottery aspect. Should I say the Knicks ahead of the Wolves.
Phil is great at accidentally getting us great lottery picks. Maybe a few years from now when they're writing the biography for his time as President here it will say something like "Enabled the team to get a top 5 draft pick every year!"
I mean he could habe traded future drafty picks in order to try and win now. Thus not getting a chance to land lotto picks in case his moves didn't work out.
Golden State accidentally landed in the lottery when they landed Klay Thompson. As they traded for D-Lee believing Biendrins Lee Ellis and Curry would get them in the playoffs
Of course. That would make him a historically bad president at the level of Isiah rather than just an ordinary bad president. The ordinary bad ones don't trade away their picks but still find themselves in the draft lottery every year.
So trading away THJ, Shump, Grant and wasting pick on Early is not trading away picks? So hold on to draft picks and then trade for nothing within a year or two. Got it.
Fair enough. I'm probably to gentle on Phil! 
Who really cares of the whif on Rubes at this point.....when Phil tries to trade for him this summer not only will Thibs want a sign and trade with Rose but a first rounder
Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Vmart wrote:crzymdups wrote:
Instead of hating on Phil we should commend Phil. Rubio's superior play has put the Wolves ahead of the Knicks in the lottery aspect. Should I say the Knicks ahead of the Wolves.
Phil is great at accidentally getting us great lottery picks. Maybe a few years from now when they're writing the biography for his time as President here it will say something like "Enabled the team to get a top 5 draft pick every year!"
I mean he could habe traded future drafty picks in order to try and win now. Thus not getting a chance to land lotto picks in case his moves didn't work out.
Golden State accidentally landed in the lottery when they landed Klay Thompson. As they traded for D-Lee believing Biendrins Lee Ellis and Curry would get them in the playoffs
Of course. That would make him a historically bad president at the level of Isiah rather than just an ordinary bad president. The ordinary bad ones don't trade away their picks but still find themselves in the draft lottery every year.
I sould,be happy with that. When Phil is done. We end up with 3 lotto picks who are good players. A rotation player in Willy. And maybe a rotation player out of one of these 2nd rounders. I will take that ad would the next GM. Also would have Noah and Lee as expirings.
The next GMT? You're obviously making an assumption there. Suppose loyal Dolan lets Phil stay here and he gives us another 5 straight years of lottery picks. Do we just want lottery picks forever? How do you know the next GM isn't going to be as bad as all the others Dolan has hired?
First things first, I didnt say next GM because I am looking forward to Phil stepping down. I said so,because it seems like the inevitable road we end up at due to zphils age and lack of on court results. If Phil was re-upped in 2 years or Dolan brought in a new gm he would have set himself or the new guy up for better results with the lotto picks coming then when he came in to. Amd thats has been very rare for most of the GM that have come in.
And since fans are ready to run Phil out of town after Dolan has given him full autonomy. Due to lack of wins. Will Dolan be willing to give the next guy free reign again. Will,the new guy have to make playoffs like the gms of the past? Thus be willing to give up future assets in order to save his job. Will Dolan overide these GMS to make that move thinking it gets us in the playoffs? Since fans have made it clear that results of making the playoffs is the priority for all GMs going forward.
