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CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

So true.
Melo is not a good fit for rebuilding team.
We have two really good draft picks in KP and Willy. Both were outstanding rookies and look like core players.
We have another major pick coming soon.
Lets focus on that and seeing what the team can look like next year.

We also have some good backups worth keeping like Baker, Lance Thomas, Courtney Lee etc.
Trade Melo for some rebuilding blocks, draft well, and use the cap money wisely and not on over the hill declining veteran players.

I dont think you get it. The posters complaining about Phil are soooooo past Melo fitting or not fitting. We know he needs to move on. We know arguing that it was not his fault alone, is useless as its all personal opinion. It's also not about KP or WIlly. Both who are good guys. Its about the KNICKS! And the fact many dont see what we see. Phil is not the guy to construct a rebuild. The Lakers knew this. Some that played for him knew this. And we should now know this based on how he has carried himself and the choices he has made. From hiring coaches that he can control. (Not best available) To trading for guys that fit his style. (Not young rebuild guys) To being 30 years too old to be they guy who is here for the long haul. Unfortunately, we have seen all this before. And know that in two years we will be resetting all over again with a new GM and new system. A reset that will take a lot of work to fix. A reset, I feel, will add even more time to our dysfunction.

But I am over this as well. Hope we make some decent picks and we can at least have a young core when Phil hits the road. Thank goodness for Gaines for scouting Spain and JH for liking Baker.

Do some of you have trouble reading English? Phil is NOT THE GM, never was. Never will be.

Thankfully you're past sMelo.

What organization hires coaches they can't control. Coaches that can just go rogue? Name a team.

Guys that fit his style are long, athletic, and have basketball smarts - GEE, what a drag.

We have NOT seen this before. Phil isn't just here to build a team that will win some games, he's here to build an organization like the Spurs that has consistency, excellence, and self-sufficiency. When Phil leaves there will not be chaos nor will the organization collapse. He's put professionals in key positions to ensure long-term success.

But please keep complaining about his GM skills. Ridiculous.

Can you name some teams that the president tells the coach what system to run? Also who are the professionals Phil hired to help the Knicks achieve long term success? I like Gaines and Miller in Westchester. I can't think of any other Phil hires that fit your description.

On the "Meet John Gabriel" Thread you might want to look up the hire dates on that list. I don't know who is or who is not from Phil.

Nalod wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

So true.
Melo is not a good fit for rebuilding team.
We have two really good draft picks in KP and Willy. Both were outstanding rookies and look like core players.
We have another major pick coming soon.
Lets focus on that and seeing what the team can look like next year.

We also have some good backups worth keeping like Baker, Lance Thomas, Courtney Lee etc.
Trade Melo for some rebuilding blocks, draft well, and use the cap money wisely and not on over the hill declining veteran players.

I dont think you get it. The posters complaining about Phil are soooooo past Melo fitting or not fitting. We know he needs to move on. We know arguing that it was not his fault alone, is useless as its all personal opinion. It's also not about KP or WIlly. Both who are good guys. Its about the KNICKS! And the fact many dont see what we see. Phil is not the guy to construct a rebuild. The Lakers knew this. Some that played for him knew this. And we should now know this based on how he has carried himself and the choices he has made. From hiring coaches that he can control. (Not best available) To trading for guys that fit his style. (Not young rebuild guys) To being 30 years too old to be they guy who is here for the long haul. Unfortunately, we have seen all this before. And know that in two years we will be resetting all over again with a new GM and new system. A reset that will take a lot of work to fix. A reset, I feel, will add even more time to our dysfunction.

But I am over this as well. Hope we make some decent picks and we can at least have a young core when Phil hits the road. Thank goodness for Gaines for scouting Spain and JH for liking Baker.

Do some of you have trouble reading English? Phil is NOT THE GM, never was. Never will be.

Thankfully you're past sMelo.

What organization hires coaches they can't control. Coaches that can just go rogue? Name a team.

Guys that fit his style are long, athletic, and have basketball smarts - GEE, what a drag.

We have NOT seen this before. Phil isn't just here to build a team that will win some games, he's here to build an organization like the Spurs that has consistency, excellence, and self-sufficiency. When Phil leaves there will not be chaos nor will the organization collapse. He's put professionals in key positions to ensure long-term success.

But please keep complaining about his GM skills. Ridiculous.

Can you name some teams that the president tells the coach what system to run? Also who are the professionals Phil hired to help the Knicks achieve long term success? I like Gaines and Miller in Westchester. I can't think of any other Phil hires that fit your description.

On the "Meet John Gabriel" Thread you might want to look up the hire dates on that list. I don't know who is or who is not from Phil.

Warkenstein, Gabriel and Mills are all pre-Phil. I am not sure who he was talking about. I thought pulling out Mike Miller was pretty good.

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

So true.
Melo is not a good fit for rebuilding team.
We have two really good draft picks in KP and Willy. Both were outstanding rookies and look like core players.
We have another major pick coming soon.
Lets focus on that and seeing what the team can look like next year.

We also have some good backups worth keeping like Baker, Lance Thomas, Courtney Lee etc.
Trade Melo for some rebuilding blocks, draft well, and use the cap money wisely and not on over the hill declining veteran players.

I dont think you get it. The posters complaining about Phil are soooooo past Melo fitting or not fitting. We know he needs to move on. We know arguing that it was not his fault alone, is useless as its all personal opinion. It's also not about KP or WIlly. Both who are good guys. Its about the KNICKS! And the fact many dont see what we see. Phil is not the guy to construct a rebuild. The Lakers knew this. Some that played for him knew this. And we should now know this based on how he has carried himself and the choices he has made. From hiring coaches that he can control. (Not best available) To trading for guys that fit his style. (Not young rebuild guys) To being 30 years too old to be they guy who is here for the long haul. Unfortunately, we have seen all this before. And know that in two years we will be resetting all over again with a new GM and new system. A reset that will take a lot of work to fix. A reset, I feel, will add even more time to our dysfunction.

But I am over this as well. Hope we make some decent picks and we can at least have a young core when Phil hits the road. Thank goodness for Gaines for scouting Spain and JH for liking Baker.

Do some of you have trouble reading English? Phil is NOT THE GM, never was. Never will be.

Thankfully you're past sMelo.

What organization hires coaches they can't control. Coaches that can just go rogue? Name a team.

Guys that fit his style are long, athletic, and have basketball smarts - GEE, what a drag.

We have NOT seen this before. Phil isn't just here to build a team that will win some games, he's here to build an organization like the Spurs that has consistency, excellence, and self-sufficiency. When Phil leaves there will not be chaos nor will the organization collapse. He's put professionals in key positions to ensure long-term success.

But please keep complaining about his GM skills. Ridiculous.

Can you name some teams that the president tells the coach what system to run? Also who are the professionals Phil hired to help the Knicks achieve long term success? I like Gaines and Miller in Westchester. I can't think of any other Phil hires that fit your description.

On the "Meet John Gabriel" Thread you might want to look up the hire dates on that list. I don't know who is or who is not from Phil.

Warkenstein, Gabriel and Mills are all pre-Phil. I am not sure who he was talking about. I thought pulling out Mike Miller was pretty good.

Yes, they are pre Phil. The thread nor my last comment was meant as a defining "Gotcha" moment. Perhaps some of the other guys were hired by phil.
It really not meant to defend any specific point other than the organization, like many has layers of people and not defined by just one that we focus on.
Some think PHil is lazy, because he is not out scouting. Mills and others do that. Not all team presidents are out there scouting and if they are, they are not notable like Phil, Riles and few others.
My take is that PHil was a starphuch hire without any Exec cred except 11 rings in 20 year of coaching. Riles was a coach, Auerbach was a coach, and Pop before they got executive power. Successful people adapt.
Phil made mistakes, so did the others. What they had was either momentum or assets to build with. And long careers as team presidents. PHil has 3 under his belt.

Is it reasonable to dismiss Phil after 3 years. I'd say some of you think so.

The response from the kids has been positive and there no longer is any incentive to continue dealing with older players to fit Melo's timeline. At this point it's a waste of energy arguing over comments made by Phil or the players.

Nalod wrote:

Yes, they are pre Phil. The thread nor my last comment was meant as a defining "Gotcha" moment. Perhaps some of the other guys were hired by phil.
It really not meant to defend any specific point other than the organization, like many has layers of people and not defined by just one that we focus on.
Some think PHil is lazy, because he is not out scouting. Mills and others do that. Not all team presidents are out there scouting and if they are, they are not notable like Phil, Riles and few others.
My take is that PHil was a starphuch hire without any Exec cred except 11 rings in 20 year of coaching. Riles was a coach, Auerbach was a coach, and Pop before they got executive power. Successful people adapt.
Phil made mistakes, so did the others. What they had was either momentum or assets to build with. And long careers as team presidents. PHil has 3 under his belt.

Is it reasonable to dismiss Phil after 3 years. I'd say some of you think so.

Don't want Phil fired, but I believe its reasonable for Phil to start putting more of his own people in top positions in the franchise. Gaines has turned out to be a great hire. Would like to see Phil making more of them.

Players have their runs, coaches have their runs, and execs have their runs. Some new blood would be a good way to help change the culture.

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Yes, they are pre Phil. The thread nor my last comment was meant as a defining "Gotcha" moment. Perhaps some of the other guys were hired by phil.
It really not meant to defend any specific point other than the organization, like many has layers of people and not defined by just one that we focus on.
Some think PHil is lazy, because he is not out scouting. Mills and others do that. Not all team presidents are out there scouting and if they are, they are not notable like Phil, Riles and few others.
My take is that PHil was a starphuch hire without any Exec cred except 11 rings in 20 year of coaching. Riles was a coach, Auerbach was a coach, and Pop before they got executive power. Successful people adapt.
Phil made mistakes, so did the others. What they had was either momentum or assets to build with. And long careers as team presidents. PHil has 3 under his belt.

Is it reasonable to dismiss Phil after 3 years. I'd say some of you think so.

Don't want Phil fired, but I believe its reasonable for Phil to start putting more of his own people in top positions in the franchise. Gaines has turned out to be a great hire. Would like to see Phil making more of them.

Players have their runs, coaches have their runs, and execs have their runs. Some new blood would be a good way to help change the culture.

We have experienced men accomplished in other places. With a focus not on "winning now", these guys can all work towards a goal.
To me its changed over time. We are buidling with youth and making due with just one fist round pick!
New blood need not be if Dolan is not trading our picks for retreads.
No guarantee of anything.......

Why did Knicks not go all in with triangle? Rose was not comfortable and if Phil was told "let the guys figure it out" and they succeeded without full triangle, thats "adaptable".
But if there were holes in the game seen by the master, then its not just a record of after an easy schedule run that should dictate the team culture going forward.
Again, "Phil Files" might tell us what happend this summer.

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Yes, they are pre Phil. The thread nor my last comment was meant as a defining "Gotcha" moment. Perhaps some of the other guys were hired by phil.
It really not meant to defend any specific point other than the organization, like many has layers of people and not defined by just one that we focus on.
Some think PHil is lazy, because he is not out scouting. Mills and others do that. Not all team presidents are out there scouting and if they are, they are not notable like Phil, Riles and few others.
My take is that PHil was a starphuch hire without any Exec cred except 11 rings in 20 year of coaching. Riles was a coach, Auerbach was a coach, and Pop before they got executive power. Successful people adapt.
Phil made mistakes, so did the others. What they had was either momentum or assets to build with. And long careers as team presidents. PHil has 3 under his belt.

Is it reasonable to dismiss Phil after 3 years. I'd say some of you think so.

Don't want Phil fired, but I believe its reasonable for Phil to start putting more of his own people in top positions in the franchise. Gaines has turned out to be a great hire. Would like to see Phil making more of them.

Players have their runs, coaches have their runs, and execs have their runs. Some new blood would be a good way to help change the culture.

We have experienced men accomplished in other places. With a focus not on "winning now", these guys can all work towards a goal.
To me its changed over time. We are buidling with youth and making due with just one fist round pick!
New blood need not be if Dolan is not trading our picks for retreads.
No guarantee of anything.......

Why did Knicks not go all in with triangle? Rose was not comfortable and if Phil was told "let the guys figure it out" and they succeeded without full triangle, thats "adaptable".
But if there were holes in the game seen by the master, then its not just a record of after an easy schedule run that should dictate the team culture going forward.
Again, "Phil Files" might tell us what happend this summer.

The only thing these guys have experience in over the last decade is losing. They haven't played a part in moving the needle one inch. The answer cant just be wiping the roster clean every few years and leaving the same execs in place. Makes no sense.

When Phil took the job I was looking forward to seeing him clean house, that never happened. If these execs played no role in all the losing since they've been here, they sure didnt play a role in all the winning either, because there hasn't been any.

I would rather Phil let Hornacek "figure out" what system he wants to run and how he wants to run it and focus more on leaving the mgmt in a better place than he found it.

If Phil quit tomorrow, it would mostly be the same enablers who have given us nothing but losing year, after year, after year. You really want that?

What presents far more difficulty is the character of the player. They are all conditioned to smile for the cameras. They all will say precisely what their agents tell them the team wants to hear. Authenticity is a rare bird.

Compounding lots of American basketball talent is the fact that many of the most physically gifted youth come from distressed families and surroundings. Drugs, guns, violence, and disingenuous behavior are often the baggage these kids come with. And they often come unprepared for even pedestrian functionality outside their sheltered and highly sheltered lifestyles. Words are often devoid of semantics or conviction - little more than empty rhetoric that helps them get what they want with no coupling of moral obligation on their part to deliver.

I think that's a large part of the appeal of the European players - they come with less baggage.

This link shows a Mark Cuban tweet that refers to the new NBA and points to machine learning as the latest advisor's tool; https://www.oreilly.com/

nixluva wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

There isn't draft pick in the world that's going to change this fck up situation, it's a shame we have to bring a young prospect into this losing, no direction, system malfunctioning, mess of a franchise we have here.

This is just pure BS!!! Since BJ was waived, Rose went down and Melo was de-emphasized things have settled down and the player development has been going well. You can choose to follow the media tripe about dysfunction but there is no dysfunction at this point. Just a team trying to develop its young prospects.

If you actually paid attention to the team and how they're responding, you'd notice the young players are learning, playing team ball and giving max effort. They're looking better and more confident. That's really what you should be focusing on!!!

Keep drinking that kool aid bro, this organization is dysfunctional starting with the clown who owns this franchise. You cannot expect someone to give their all for you when all you do is tear them down from the shadows. Again I will say this Phil was hired to be the GM, which on successful teams means that the front office is only involved in putting the right pieces together not coaching, the job was to hire the coach and let them do their job. Also so you want to trade Melo, why badmouth him to decrease his value? Again since it is all about developing players, why the fuck are they playing Sasha? Please don't tell me that he is there to teach the triangle, I thought teaching the system was the coach's job.

First off Phil is the PRESIDENT and not the GM!!! Get your facts straight.

Second, Melo has been asked to move the damn ball for YEARS!!! You think that crap doesn't eventually get F'n annoying to watch him not do it? It looked like Melo finally got the message last year but no! He went right back to his old tricks. It's not just about HIM!

Third, you really don't know WTF you're talking about if you think Sasha isn't helping the younger players to learn how to play the Triangle. He's a flawed player but he does know the offense and that helps to have a player around that knows it front and back.

I don't get you at all really. These complaints you have are really not core issues for this team. You seem to be totally missing what's really going on. Are you still watching the games??? There are some good things happening despite the losing. Developing players that are part of the future.
Minus the overpaid Vets you can see better effort and execution.

OK so he is president and a micro manager, he is still a distraction. Melo haa been Melo forever does the phrase can't teach an old dog new tricks, so why sign him? Sasha sucks donkey balls for a while now, this is the only team he would get any playing time or a roster spot Yes I do watch games and I am sick of hearing of how Phil has a plan.

Phil's bad moves
Signing Melo
Signing Noah
Trading for the shell who use to be Rose with legal troubles to boot

But yay we are developing these FRINGE Players.

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

There isn't draft pick in the world that's going to change this fck up situation, it's a shame we have to bring a young prospect into this losing, no direction, system malfunctioning, mess of a franchise we have here.

This is just pure BS!!! Since BJ was waived, Rose went down and Melo was de-emphasized things have settled down and the player development has been going well. You can choose to follow the media tripe about dysfunction but there is no dysfunction at this point. Just a team trying to develop its young prospects.

If you actually paid attention to the team and how they're responding, you'd notice the young players are learning, playing team ball and giving max effort. They're looking better and more confident. That's really what you should be focusing on!!!

Keep drinking that kool aid bro, this organization is dysfunctional starting with the clown who owns this franchise. You cannot expect someone to give their all for you when all you do is tear them down from the shadows. Again I will say this Phil was hired to be the GM, which on successful teams means that the front office is only involved in putting the right pieces together not coaching, the job was to hire the coach and let them do their job. Also so you want to trade Melo, why badmouth him to decrease his value? Again since it is all about developing players, why the fuck are they playing Sasha? Please don't tell me that he is there to teach the triangle, I thought teaching the system was the coach's job.

First off Phil is the PRESIDENT and not the GM!!! Get your facts straight.

Second, Melo has been asked to move the damn ball for YEARS!!! You think that crap doesn't eventually get F'n annoying to watch him not do it? It looked like Melo finally got the message last year but no! He went right back to his old tricks. It's not just about HIM!

Third, you really don't know WTF you're talking about if you think Sasha isn't helping the younger players to learn how to play the Triangle. He's a flawed player but he does know the offense and that helps to have a player around that knows it front and back.

I don't get you at all really. These complaints you have are really not core issues for this team. You seem to be totally missing what's really going on. Are you still watching the games??? There are some good things happening despite the losing. Developing players that are part of the future.
Minus the overpaid Vets you can see better effort and execution.

OK so he is president and a micro manager, he is still a distraction. Melo haa been Melo forever does the phrase can't teach an old dog new tricks, so why sign him? Sasha sucks donkey balls for a while now, this is the only team he would get any playing time or a roster spot Yes I do watch games and I am sick of hearing of how Phil has a plan.

Phil's bad moves
Signing Melo
Signing Noah
Trading for the shell who use to be Rose with legal troubles to boot

But yay we are developing these FRINGE Players.

Phil is not the micro-manager. Dolan has delegated final say to Phil. Dolan used to be that guy.

Phil's mission has been to create an operating environment that becomes an engine for long-term success. That means a strong farm team. A strong organization. And smart, capable system players.

Why system players? Because they are easier on the wallet and easier to identify and acquire. That means once he team starts winning, that, like the Spurs, you acquire complementary talent that has a chance to shine - you become independent from the star-phuck cycle.

fwk00 wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

There isn't draft pick in the world that's going to change this fck up situation, it's a shame we have to bring a young prospect into this losing, no direction, system malfunctioning, mess of a franchise we have here.

This is just pure BS!!! Since BJ was waived, Rose went down and Melo was de-emphasized things have settled down and the player development has been going well. You can choose to follow the media tripe about dysfunction but there is no dysfunction at this point. Just a team trying to develop its young prospects.

If you actually paid attention to the team and how they're responding, you'd notice the young players are learning, playing team ball and giving max effort. They're looking better and more confident. That's really what you should be focusing on!!!

Keep drinking that kool aid bro, this organization is dysfunctional starting with the clown who owns this franchise. You cannot expect someone to give their all for you when all you do is tear them down from the shadows. Again I will say this Phil was hired to be the GM, which on successful teams means that the front office is only involved in putting the right pieces together not coaching, the job was to hire the coach and let them do their job. Also so you want to trade Melo, why badmouth him to decrease his value? Again since it is all about developing players, why the fuck are they playing Sasha? Please don't tell me that he is there to teach the triangle, I thought teaching the system was the coach's job.

First off Phil is the PRESIDENT and not the GM!!! Get your facts straight.

Second, Melo has been asked to move the damn ball for YEARS!!! You think that crap doesn't eventually get F'n annoying to watch him not do it? It looked like Melo finally got the message last year but no! He went right back to his old tricks. It's not just about HIM!

Third, you really don't know WTF you're talking about if you think Sasha isn't helping the younger players to learn how to play the Triangle. He's a flawed player but he does know the offense and that helps to have a player around that knows it front and back.

I don't get you at all really. These complaints you have are really not core issues for this team. You seem to be totally missing what's really going on. Are you still watching the games??? There are some good things happening despite the losing. Developing players that are part of the future.
Minus the overpaid Vets you can see better effort and execution.

OK so he is president and a micro manager, he is still a distraction. Melo haa been Melo forever does the phrase can't teach an old dog new tricks, so why sign him? Sasha sucks donkey balls for a while now, this is the only team he would get any playing time or a roster spot Yes I do watch games and I am sick of hearing of how Phil has a plan.

Phil's bad moves
Signing Melo
Signing Noah
Trading for the shell who use to be Rose with legal troubles to boot

But yay we are developing these FRINGE Players.

Phil is not the micro-manager. Dolan has delegated final say to Phil. Dolan used to be that guy.

Phil's mission has been to create an operating environment that becomes an engine for long-term success. That means a strong farm team. A strong organization. And smart, capable system players.

Why system players? Because they are easier on the wallet and easier to identify and acquire. That means once he team starts winning, that, like the Spurs, you acquire complementary talent that has a chance to shine - you become independent from the star-phuck cycle.

Two Words. Joakim Noah

fwk00 wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

There isn't draft pick in the world that's going to change this fck up situation, it's a shame we have to bring a young prospect into this losing, no direction, system malfunctioning, mess of a franchise we have here.

This is just pure BS!!! Since BJ was waived, Rose went down and Melo was de-emphasized things have settled down and the player development has been going well. You can choose to follow the media tripe about dysfunction but there is no dysfunction at this point. Just a team trying to develop its young prospects.

If you actually paid attention to the team and how they're responding, you'd notice the young players are learning, playing team ball and giving max effort. They're looking better and more confident. That's really what you should be focusing on!!!

Keep drinking that kool aid bro, this organization is dysfunctional starting with the clown who owns this franchise. You cannot expect someone to give their all for you when all you do is tear them down from the shadows. Again I will say this Phil was hired to be the GM, which on successful teams means that the front office is only involved in putting the right pieces together not coaching, the job was to hire the coach and let them do their job. Also so you want to trade Melo, why badmouth him to decrease his value? Again since it is all about developing players, why the fuck are they playing Sasha? Please don't tell me that he is there to teach the triangle, I thought teaching the system was the coach's job.

First off Phil is the PRESIDENT and not the GM!!! Get your facts straight.

Second, Melo has been asked to move the damn ball for YEARS!!! You think that crap doesn't eventually get F'n annoying to watch him not do it? It looked like Melo finally got the message last year but no! He went right back to his old tricks. It's not just about HIM!

Third, you really don't know WTF you're talking about if you think Sasha isn't helping the younger players to learn how to play the Triangle. He's a flawed player but he does know the offense and that helps to have a player around that knows it front and back.

I don't get you at all really. These complaints you have are really not core issues for this team. You seem to be totally missing what's really going on. Are you still watching the games??? There are some good things happening despite the losing. Developing players that are part of the future.
Minus the overpaid Vets you can see better effort and execution.

OK so he is president and a micro manager, he is still a distraction. Melo haa been Melo forever does the phrase can't teach an old dog new tricks, so why sign him? Sasha sucks donkey balls for a while now, this is the only team he would get any playing time or a roster spot Yes I do watch games and I am sick of hearing of how Phil has a plan.

Phil's bad moves
Signing Melo
Signing Noah
Trading for the shell who use to be Rose with legal troubles to boot

But yay we are developing these FRINGE Players.

Phil is not the micro-manager. Dolan has delegated final say to Phil. Dolan used to be that guy.

Phil's mission has been to create an operating environment that becomes an engine for long-term success. That means a strong farm team. A strong organization. And smart, capable system players.

Why system players? Because they are easier on the wallet and easier to identify and acquire. That means once he team starts winning, that, like the Spurs, you acquire complementary talent that has a chance to shine - you become independent from the star-phuck cycle.

So Genius, I have to ask you a question about this system, give me an example when it was successful without one or two bonafide hall of famers on the roster.

Easy answer. NEVER

buddapaw wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

There isn't draft pick in the world that's going to change this fck up situation, it's a shame we have to bring a young prospect into this losing, no direction, system malfunctioning, mess of a franchise we have here.

This is just pure BS!!! Since BJ was waived, Rose went down and Melo was de-emphasized things have settled down and the player development has been going well. You can choose to follow the media tripe about dysfunction but there is no dysfunction at this point. Just a team trying to develop its young prospects.

If you actually paid attention to the team and how they're responding, you'd notice the young players are learning, playing team ball and giving max effort. They're looking better and more confident. That's really what you should be focusing on!!!

Keep drinking that kool aid bro, this organization is dysfunctional starting with the clown who owns this franchise. You cannot expect someone to give their all for you when all you do is tear them down from the shadows. Again I will say this Phil was hired to be the GM, which on successful teams means that the front office is only involved in putting the right pieces together not coaching, the job was to hire the coach and let them do their job. Also so you want to trade Melo, why badmouth him to decrease his value? Again since it is all about developing players, why the fuck are they playing Sasha? Please don't tell me that he is there to teach the triangle, I thought teaching the system was the coach's job.

First off Phil is the PRESIDENT and not the GM!!! Get your facts straight.

Second, Melo has been asked to move the damn ball for YEARS!!! You think that crap doesn't eventually get F'n annoying to watch him not do it? It looked like Melo finally got the message last year but no! He went right back to his old tricks. It's not just about HIM!

Third, you really don't know WTF you're talking about if you think Sasha isn't helping the younger players to learn how to play the Triangle. He's a flawed player but he does know the offense and that helps to have a player around that knows it front and back.

I don't get you at all really. These complaints you have are really not core issues for this team. You seem to be totally missing what's really going on. Are you still watching the games??? There are some good things happening despite the losing. Developing players that are part of the future.
Minus the overpaid Vets you can see better effort and execution.

OK so he is president and a micro manager, he is still a distraction. Melo haa been Melo forever does the phrase can't teach an old dog new tricks, so why sign him? Sasha sucks donkey balls for a while now, this is the only team he would get any playing time or a roster spot Yes I do watch games and I am sick of hearing of how Phil has a plan.

Phil's bad moves
Signing Melo
Signing Noah
Trading for the shell who use to be Rose with legal troubles to boot

But yay we are developing these FRINGE Players.

Phil is not the micro-manager. Dolan has delegated final say to Phil. Dolan used to be that guy.

Phil's mission has been to create an operating environment that becomes an engine for long-term success. That means a strong farm team. A strong organization. And smart, capable system players.

Why system players? Because they are easier on the wallet and easier to identify and acquire. That means once he team starts winning, that, like the Spurs, you acquire complementary talent that has a chance to shine - you become independent from the star-phuck cycle.

So Genius, I have to ask you a question about this system, give me an example when it was successful without one or two bonafide hall of famers on the roster.

Easy answer. NEVER

That's the worst argument ever. You are poo-poo'ing a system that won championships. This is no small feat and it was done like 11 times. More than Pops system, Larry Browns system. More than Riley's cumulative systems across the years.

He won more than Pop did and Pop had as much talent. Let that sink in.

EVERY system needs HOFer's to win big time.

martin wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

There isn't draft pick in the world that's going to change this fck up situation, it's a shame we have to bring a young prospect into this losing, no direction, system malfunctioning, mess of a franchise we have here.

This is just pure BS!!! Since BJ was waived, Rose went down and Melo was de-emphasized things have settled down and the player development has been going well. You can choose to follow the media tripe about dysfunction but there is no dysfunction at this point. Just a team trying to develop its young prospects.

If you actually paid attention to the team and how they're responding, you'd notice the young players are learning, playing team ball and giving max effort. They're looking better and more confident. That's really what you should be focusing on!!!

Keep drinking that kool aid bro, this organization is dysfunctional starting with the clown who owns this franchise. You cannot expect someone to give their all for you when all you do is tear them down from the shadows. Again I will say this Phil was hired to be the GM, which on successful teams means that the front office is only involved in putting the right pieces together not coaching, the job was to hire the coach and let them do their job. Also so you want to trade Melo, why badmouth him to decrease his value? Again since it is all about developing players, why the fuck are they playing Sasha? Please don't tell me that he is there to teach the triangle, I thought teaching the system was the coach's job.

First off Phil is the PRESIDENT and not the GM!!! Get your facts straight.

Second, Melo has been asked to move the damn ball for YEARS!!! You think that crap doesn't eventually get F'n annoying to watch him not do it? It looked like Melo finally got the message last year but no! He went right back to his old tricks. It's not just about HIM!

Third, you really don't know WTF you're talking about if you think Sasha isn't helping the younger players to learn how to play the Triangle. He's a flawed player but he does know the offense and that helps to have a player around that knows it front and back.

I don't get you at all really. These complaints you have are really not core issues for this team. You seem to be totally missing what's really going on. Are you still watching the games??? There are some good things happening despite the losing. Developing players that are part of the future.
Minus the overpaid Vets you can see better effort and execution.

OK so he is president and a micro manager, he is still a distraction. Melo haa been Melo forever does the phrase can't teach an old dog new tricks, so why sign him? Sasha sucks donkey balls for a while now, this is the only team he would get any playing time or a roster spot Yes I do watch games and I am sick of hearing of how Phil has a plan.

Phil's bad moves
Signing Melo
Signing Noah
Trading for the shell who use to be Rose with legal troubles to boot

But yay we are developing these FRINGE Players.

Phil is not the micro-manager. Dolan has delegated final say to Phil. Dolan used to be that guy.

Phil's mission has been to create an operating environment that becomes an engine for long-term success. That means a strong farm team. A strong organization. And smart, capable system players.

Why system players? Because they are easier on the wallet and easier to identify and acquire. That means once he team starts winning, that, like the Spurs, you acquire complementary talent that has a chance to shine - you become independent from the star-phuck cycle.

So Genius, I have to ask you a question about this system, give me an example when it was successful without one or two bonafide hall of famers on the roster.

Easy answer. NEVER

That's the worst argument ever. You are poo-poo'ing a system that won championships. This is no small feat and it was done like 11 times. More than Pops system, Larry Browns system. More than Riley's cumulative systems across the years.

He won more than Pop did and Pop had as much talent. Let that sink in.

EVERY system needs HOFer's to win big time.

buddapaw wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

There isn't draft pick in the world that's going to change this fck up situation, it's a shame we have to bring a young prospect into this losing, no direction, system malfunctioning, mess of a franchise we have here.

This is just pure BS!!! Since BJ was waived, Rose went down and Melo was de-emphasized things have settled down and the player development has been going well. You can choose to follow the media tripe about dysfunction but there is no dysfunction at this point. Just a team trying to develop its young prospects.

If you actually paid attention to the team and how they're responding, you'd notice the young players are learning, playing team ball and giving max effort. They're looking better and more confident. That's really what you should be focusing on!!!

Keep drinking that kool aid bro, this organization is dysfunctional starting with the clown who owns this franchise. You cannot expect someone to give their all for you when all you do is tear them down from the shadows. Again I will say this Phil was hired to be the GM, which on successful teams means that the front office is only involved in putting the right pieces together not coaching, the job was to hire the coach and let them do their job. Also so you want to trade Melo, why badmouth him to decrease his value? Again since it is all about developing players, why the fuck are they playing Sasha? Please don't tell me that he is there to teach the triangle, I thought teaching the system was the coach's job.

First off Phil is the PRESIDENT and not the GM!!! Get your facts straight.

Second, Melo has been asked to move the damn ball for YEARS!!! You think that crap doesn't eventually get F'n annoying to watch him not do it? It looked like Melo finally got the message last year but no! He went right back to his old tricks. It's not just about HIM!

Third, you really don't know WTF you're talking about if you think Sasha isn't helping the younger players to learn how to play the Triangle. He's a flawed player but he does know the offense and that helps to have a player around that knows it front and back.

I don't get you at all really. These complaints you have are really not core issues for this team. You seem to be totally missing what's really going on. Are you still watching the games??? There are some good things happening despite the losing. Developing players that are part of the future.
Minus the overpaid Vets you can see better effort and execution.

OK so he is president and a micro manager, he is still a distraction. Melo haa been Melo forever does the phrase can't teach an old dog new tricks, so why sign him? Sasha sucks donkey balls for a while now, this is the only team he would get any playing time or a roster spot Yes I do watch games and I am sick of hearing of how Phil has a plan.

Phil's bad moves
Signing Melo
Signing Noah
Trading for the shell who use to be Rose with legal troubles to boot

But yay we are developing these FRINGE Players.

Phil is not the micro-manager. Dolan has delegated final say to Phil. Dolan used to be that guy.

Phil's mission has been to create an operating environment that becomes an engine for long-term success. That means a strong farm team. A strong organization. And smart, capable system players.

Why system players? Because they are easier on the wallet and easier to identify and acquire. That means once he team starts winning, that, like the Spurs, you acquire complementary talent that has a chance to shine - you become independent from the star-phuck cycle.

So Genius, I have to ask you a question about this system, give me an example when it was successful without one or two bonafide hall of famers on the roster.

Easy answer. NEVER

This comment ignores the fact that the Triangle is only a system and NO SYSTEM actually wins games. You need talent to win. The Triangle has been in use since it was invented by Sam Barry before WWII, He was Tex Winter's coach. It was used to win a lot in College ball. Tex enhanced it. Cotton Fitzsimmons used it back in the 70's and Phil won NBA Titles using it. Many teams have used parts of the Triangle over the years. If you are talking about one system that was used to win you'd be hard pressed to come up with a more successful system.

All that matters now is building this team up with great talent so that they can win and hopefully become Title Contenders. Who cares if they run the Triangle as long as they win.

buddapaw wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

There isn't draft pick in the world that's going to change this fck up situation, it's a shame we have to bring a young prospect into this losing, no direction, system malfunctioning, mess of a franchise we have here.

This is just pure BS!!! Since BJ was waived, Rose went down and Melo was de-emphasized things have settled down and the player development has been going well. You can choose to follow the media tripe about dysfunction but there is no dysfunction at this point. Just a team trying to develop its young prospects.

If you actually paid attention to the team and how they're responding, you'd notice the young players are learning, playing team ball and giving max effort. They're looking better and more confident. That's really what you should be focusing on!!!

Keep drinking that kool aid bro, this organization is dysfunctional starting with the clown who owns this franchise. You cannot expect someone to give their all for you when all you do is tear them down from the shadows. Again I will say this Phil was hired to be the GM, which on successful teams means that the front office is only involved in putting the right pieces together not coaching, the job was to hire the coach and let them do their job. Also so you want to trade Melo, why badmouth him to decrease his value? Again since it is all about developing players, why the fuck are they playing Sasha? Please don't tell me that he is there to teach the triangle, I thought teaching the system was the coach's job.

First off Phil is the PRESIDENT and not the GM!!! Get your facts straight.

Second, Melo has been asked to move the damn ball for YEARS!!! You think that crap doesn't eventually get F'n annoying to watch him not do it? It looked like Melo finally got the message last year but no! He went right back to his old tricks. It's not just about HIM!

Third, you really don't know WTF you're talking about if you think Sasha isn't helping the younger players to learn how to play the Triangle. He's a flawed player but he does know the offense and that helps to have a player around that knows it front and back.

I don't get you at all really. These complaints you have are really not core issues for this team. You seem to be totally missing what's really going on. Are you still watching the games??? There are some good things happening despite the losing. Developing players that are part of the future.
Minus the overpaid Vets you can see better effort and execution.

OK so he is president and a micro manager, he is still a distraction. Melo haa been Melo forever does the phrase can't teach an old dog new tricks, so why sign him? Sasha sucks donkey balls for a while now, this is the only team he would get any playing time or a roster spot Yes I do watch games and I am sick of hearing of how Phil has a plan.

Phil's bad moves
Signing Melo
Signing Noah
Trading for the shell who use to be Rose with legal troubles to boot

But yay we are developing these FRINGE Players.

Phil is not the micro-manager. Dolan has delegated final say to Phil. Dolan used to be that guy.

Phil's mission has been to create an operating environment that becomes an engine for long-term success. That means a strong farm team. A strong organization. And smart, capable system players.

Why system players? Because they are easier on the wallet and easier to identify and acquire. That means once he team starts winning, that, like the Spurs, you acquire complementary talent that has a chance to shine - you become independent from the star-phuck cycle.

So Genius, I have to ask you a question about this system, give me an example when it was successful without one or two bonafide hall of famers on the roster.

Easy answer. NEVER

Which came first. Hall of Famers or system in which the talent can expose itself?

buddapaw wrote:

martin wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

There isn't draft pick in the world that's going to change this fck up situation, it's a shame we have to bring a young prospect into this losing, no direction, system malfunctioning, mess of a franchise we have here.

This is just pure BS!!! Since BJ was waived, Rose went down and Melo was de-emphasized things have settled down and the player development has been going well. You can choose to follow the media tripe about dysfunction but there is no dysfunction at this point. Just a team trying to develop its young prospects.

If you actually paid attention to the team and how they're responding, you'd notice the young players are learning, playing team ball and giving max effort. They're looking better and more confident. That's really what you should be focusing on!!!

Keep drinking that kool aid bro, this organization is dysfunctional starting with the clown who owns this franchise. You cannot expect someone to give their all for you when all you do is tear them down from the shadows. Again I will say this Phil was hired to be the GM, which on successful teams means that the front office is only involved in putting the right pieces together not coaching, the job was to hire the coach and let them do their job. Also so you want to trade Melo, why badmouth him to decrease his value? Again since it is all about developing players, why the fuck are they playing Sasha? Please don't tell me that he is there to teach the triangle, I thought teaching the system was the coach's job.

First off Phil is the PRESIDENT and not the GM!!! Get your facts straight.

Second, Melo has been asked to move the damn ball for YEARS!!! You think that crap doesn't eventually get F'n annoying to watch him not do it? It looked like Melo finally got the message last year but no! He went right back to his old tricks. It's not just about HIM!

Third, you really don't know WTF you're talking about if you think Sasha isn't helping the younger players to learn how to play the Triangle. He's a flawed player but he does know the offense and that helps to have a player around that knows it front and back.

I don't get you at all really. These complaints you have are really not core issues for this team. You seem to be totally missing what's really going on. Are you still watching the games??? There are some good things happening despite the losing. Developing players that are part of the future.
Minus the overpaid Vets you can see better effort and execution.

OK so he is president and a micro manager, he is still a distraction. Melo haa been Melo forever does the phrase can't teach an old dog new tricks, so why sign him? Sasha sucks donkey balls for a while now, this is the only team he would get any playing time or a roster spot Yes I do watch games and I am sick of hearing of how Phil has a plan.

Phil's bad moves
Signing Melo
Signing Noah
Trading for the shell who use to be Rose with legal troubles to boot

But yay we are developing these FRINGE Players.

Phil is not the micro-manager. Dolan has delegated final say to Phil. Dolan used to be that guy.

Phil's mission has been to create an operating environment that becomes an engine for long-term success. That means a strong farm team. A strong organization. And smart, capable system players.

Why system players? Because they are easier on the wallet and easier to identify and acquire. That means once he team starts winning, that, like the Spurs, you acquire complementary talent that has a chance to shine - you become independent from the star-phuck cycle.

So Genius, I have to ask you a question about this system, give me an example when it was successful without one or two bonafide hall of famers on the roster.

Easy answer. NEVER

That's the worst argument ever. You are poo-poo'ing a system that won championships. This is no small feat and it was done like 11 times. More than Pops system, Larry Browns system. More than Riley's cumulative systems across the years.

He won more than Pop did and Pop had as much talent. Let that sink in.

EVERY system needs HOFer's to win big time.

I get what you're saying Martin and I agree, it's just irritating to see these guys talk up a system when there is a necessary prerequisite, TALENT! All these coaches had the personnel to run the system, which we sure as hell don't and it woefully not even close.

what system doesn't need talent to run well?

nixluva wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

There isn't draft pick in the world that's going to change this fck up situation, it's a shame we have to bring a young prospect into this losing, no direction, system malfunctioning, mess of a franchise we have here.

This is just pure BS!!! Since BJ was waived, Rose went down and Melo was de-emphasized things have settled down and the player development has been going well. You can choose to follow the media tripe about dysfunction but there is no dysfunction at this point. Just a team trying to develop its young prospects.

If you actually paid attention to the team and how they're responding, you'd notice the young players are learning, playing team ball and giving max effort. They're looking better and more confident. That's really what you should be focusing on!!!

Keep drinking that kool aid bro, this organization is dysfunctional starting with the clown who owns this franchise. You cannot expect someone to give their all for you when all you do is tear them down from the shadows. Again I will say this Phil was hired to be the GM, which on successful teams means that the front office is only involved in putting the right pieces together not coaching, the job was to hire the coach and let them do their job. Also so you want to trade Melo, why badmouth him to decrease his value? Again since it is all about developing players, why the fuck are they playing Sasha? Please don't tell me that he is there to teach the triangle, I thought teaching the system was the coach's job.

First off Phil is the PRESIDENT and not the GM!!! Get your facts straight.

Second, Melo has been asked to move the damn ball for YEARS!!! You think that crap doesn't eventually get F'n annoying to watch him not do it? It looked like Melo finally got the message last year but no! He went right back to his old tricks. It's not just about HIM!

Third, you really don't know WTF you're talking about if you think Sasha isn't helping the younger players to learn how to play the Triangle. He's a flawed player but he does know the offense and that helps to have a player around that knows it front and back.

I don't get you at all really. These complaints you have are really not core issues for this team. You seem to be totally missing what's really going on. Are you still watching the games??? There are some good things happening despite the losing. Developing players that are part of the future.
Minus the overpaid Vets you can see better effort and execution.

You get off watching a few d leaguers on partial contracts play hard and do whatever is told of them, they have no damn choice if they want to remain in this league. But a guy like BJ,lance, Melo, Rose that have already establish what they bring, those guys want to play to their skill set.

Those young guys can play hard all day, but they don't have the skills or IQ to win games, which is what matters at the end of the day..

WWE HAVE A FKNG DELEVELOPMENT TEAM, WHY THE HELL ARE WE USING A PROFESSIONAL TEAM TO DEVELOP TALENT, people are paying 100's of thousands of dollars to watch a d league sqaud,thats so fckng backwards and disrespectful.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

There isn't draft pick in the world that's going to change this fck up situation, it's a shame we have to bring a young prospect into this losing, no direction, system malfunctioning, mess of a franchise we have here.

This is just pure BS!!! Since BJ was waived, Rose went down and Melo was de-emphasized things have settled down and the player development has been going well. You can choose to follow the media tripe about dysfunction but there is no dysfunction at this point. Just a team trying to develop its young prospects.

If you actually paid attention to the team and how they're responding, you'd notice the young players are learning, playing team ball and giving max effort. They're looking better and more confident. That's really what you should be focusing on!!!

Keep drinking that kool aid bro, this organization is dysfunctional starting with the clown who owns this franchise. You cannot expect someone to give their all for you when all you do is tear them down from the shadows. Again I will say this Phil was hired to be the GM, which on successful teams means that the front office is only involved in putting the right pieces together not coaching, the job was to hire the coach and let them do their job. Also so you want to trade Melo, why badmouth him to decrease his value? Again since it is all about developing players, why the fuck are they playing Sasha? Please don't tell me that he is there to teach the triangle, I thought teaching the system was the coach's job.

First off Phil is the PRESIDENT and not the GM!!! Get your facts straight.

Second, Melo has been asked to move the damn ball for YEARS!!! You think that crap doesn't eventually get F'n annoying to watch him not do it? It looked like Melo finally got the message last year but no! He went right back to his old tricks. It's not just about HIM!

Third, you really don't know WTF you're talking about if you think Sasha isn't helping the younger players to learn how to play the Triangle. He's a flawed player but he does know the offense and that helps to have a player around that knows it front and back.

I don't get you at all really. These complaints you have are really not core issues for this team. You seem to be totally missing what's really going on. Are you still watching the games??? There are some good things happening despite the losing. Developing players that are part of the future.
Minus the overpaid Vets you can see better effort and execution.

You get off watching a few d leaguers on partial contracts play hard and do whatever is told of them, they have no damn choice if they want to remain in this league. But a guy like BJ,lance, Melo, Rose that have already establish what they bring, those guys want to play to their skill set.

Those young guys can play hard all day, but they don't have the skills or IQ to win games, which is what matters at the end of the day..

WWE HAVE A FKNG DELEVELOPMENT TEAM, WHY THE HELL ARE WE USING A PROFESSIONAL TEAM TO DEVELOP TALENT, people are paying 100's of thousands of dollars to watch a d league sqaud,thats so fckng backwards and disrespectful.

So basically your a "Win now with veteran" impatient kind of guy. Thats ok. Just say it. You want it all.

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:7 pages of crying and pointing fingers..... get over it already. We should have more draft threads that's 7 pages.... but no everyone wants to sword fight and cup clank

There isn't draft pick in the world that's going to change this fck up situation, it's a shame we have to bring a young prospect into this losing, no direction, system malfunctioning, mess of a franchise we have here.

This is just pure BS!!! Since BJ was waived, Rose went down and Melo was de-emphasized things have settled down and the player development has been going well. You can choose to follow the media tripe about dysfunction but there is no dysfunction at this point. Just a team trying to develop its young prospects.

If you actually paid attention to the team and how they're responding, you'd notice the young players are learning, playing team ball and giving max effort. They're looking better and more confident. That's really what you should be focusing on!!!

Keep drinking that kool aid bro, this organization is dysfunctional starting with the clown who owns this franchise. You cannot expect someone to give their all for you when all you do is tear them down from the shadows. Again I will say this Phil was hired to be the GM, which on successful teams means that the front office is only involved in putting the right pieces together not coaching, the job was to hire the coach and let them do their job. Also so you want to trade Melo, why badmouth him to decrease his value? Again since it is all about developing players, why the fuck are they playing Sasha? Please don't tell me that he is there to teach the triangle, I thought teaching the system was the coach's job.

First off Phil is the PRESIDENT and not the GM!!! Get your facts straight.

Second, Melo has been asked to move the damn ball for YEARS!!! You think that crap doesn't eventually get F'n annoying to watch him not do it? It looked like Melo finally got the message last year but no! He went right back to his old tricks. It's not just about HIM!

Third, you really don't know WTF you're talking about if you think Sasha isn't helping the younger players to learn how to play the Triangle. He's a flawed player but he does know the offense and that helps to have a player around that knows it front and back.

I don't get you at all really. These complaints you have are really not core issues for this team. You seem to be totally missing what's really going on. Are you still watching the games??? There are some good things happening despite the losing. Developing players that are part of the future.
Minus the overpaid Vets you can see better effort and execution.

You get off watching a few d leaguers on partial contracts play hard and do whatever is told of them, they have no damn choice if they want to remain in this league. But a guy like BJ,lance, Melo, Rose that have already establish what they bring, those guys want to play to their skill set.

Those young guys can play hard all day, but they don't have the skills or IQ to win games, which is what matters at the end of the day..

WWE HAVE A FKNG DELEVELOPMENT TEAM, WHY THE HELL ARE WE USING A PROFESSIONAL TEAM TO DEVELOP TALENT, people are paying 100's of thousands of dollars to watch a d league sqaud,thats so fckng backwards and disrespectful.

So basically your a "Win now with veteran" impatient kind of guy. Thats ok. Just say it. You want it all.