Knicks · If you had a vote for MVP, who would it be? (page 1)
TPercy wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:No Durant? FWIW, here is basketball reference's MVP predictor. It's not the MVP evaluation of the site. It's just an attempt to predict how the judges will vote.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv...Durant joined a 73 win team and just missed a quarter of the season.
Warriors closed out his hiatus on a 13 game win streak.I just can't see him being a serious contender for MVP...
So the award goes to the guy whose team is only a little above. 500? Based on the voting here, it seems that way at least. I'd say team wins should only be a small part of the equation, since it's impossible to actually know how the team would do without the player. Just to look at the pro-Durant argument: Maybe GS wins 64 this year without Durant and 68 with him. (There's no guarantee they repeat last year's win total.) Going from 64 to 68 you could say is huge. It's probably much harder than going from 40 to 44, for example. That said, I don't think he'll get it. He probably would have if he hadn't gotten injured. And I don't think Harden is exciting enough to most people. I do think it will go to Westbrook.
If Westbrook and Durant are taken out of their respective teams, which team drops the most wins?(regardless of record)
Westbrook has undoubtedly had a great season but I think a team going from elite to super elite is a lot harder than moving up in the .500s. Just consider how rare it is for a team to win 70 or even 68 games. I'd say pushing a team from 65 to 68 is more impressive than almost any upward push from .400s to .500s that Westbrook gave OKC.
Also, I think if the two switched teams, Westbrook wouldn't fit well in GS and they'd have a worse record. If Durant had been healthy all season and played in OKC, I think they'd still be around .570. Westbrook probably can compile these crazy stat lines only on a .500 team that's tailored to him.
That said, Curry should get the award again IMO. I believe he's more valuable to GS than Durant is and if he hadn't been superman last year, people would be more shocked than they are by how well he's playing this year. Triple doubles are impressive but a little overrated. If you count turnovers, Westbrook is usually flirting with a quadruple double anyway. 
Bonn1997 wrote:TPercy wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:No Durant? FWIW, here is basketball reference's MVP predictor. It's not the MVP evaluation of the site. It's just an attempt to predict how the judges will vote.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv...Durant joined a 73 win team and just missed a quarter of the season.
Warriors closed out his hiatus on a 13 game win streak.I just can't see him being a serious contender for MVP...
So the award goes to the guy whose team is only a little above. 500? Based on the voting here, it seems that way at least. I'd say team wins should only be a small part of the equation, since it's impossible to actually know how the team would do without the player. Just to look at the pro-Durant argument: Maybe GS wins 64 this year without Durant and 68 with him. (There's no guarantee they repeat last year's win total.) Going from 64 to 68 you could say is huge. It's probably much harder than going from 40 to 44, for example. That said, I don't think he'll get it. He probably would have if he hadn't gotten injured. And I don't think Harden is exciting enough to most people. I do think it will go to Westbrook.
If Westbrook and Durant are taken out of their respective teams, which team drops the most wins?(regardless of record)Westbrook has undoubtedly had a great season but I think a team going from elite to super elite is a lot harder than moving up in the .500s. Just consider how rare it is for a team to win 70 or even 68 games. I'd say pushing a team from 65 to 68 is more impressive than almost any upward push from .400s to .500s that Westbrook gave OKC.
Also, I think if the two switched teams, Westbrook wouldn't fit well in GS and they'd have a worse record. If Durant had been healthy all season and played in OKC, I think they'd still be around .570. Westbrook probably can compile these crazy stat lines only on a .500 team that's tailored to him.
That said, Curry should get the award again IMO. I believe he's more valuable to GS than Durant is and if he hadn't been superman last year, people would be more shocked than they are by how well he's playing this year. Triple doubles are impressive but a little overrated. If you count turnovers, Westbrook is usually flirting with a quadruple double anyway.
How did GS go from elite to super elite? They broke the NBA record last year.
How does Curry get the award again? If your pick is based on best player or best team, then Curry as MVP makes sense.
TPercy wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TPercy wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:No Durant? FWIW, here is basketball reference's MVP predictor. It's not the MVP evaluation of the site. It's just an attempt to predict how the judges will vote.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv...Durant joined a 73 win team and just missed a quarter of the season.
Warriors closed out his hiatus on a 13 game win streak.I just can't see him being a serious contender for MVP...
So the award goes to the guy whose team is only a little above. 500? Based on the voting here, it seems that way at least. I'd say team wins should only be a small part of the equation, since it's impossible to actually know how the team would do without the player. Just to look at the pro-Durant argument: Maybe GS wins 64 this year without Durant and 68 with him. (There's no guarantee they repeat last year's win total.) Going from 64 to 68 you could say is huge. It's probably much harder than going from 40 to 44, for example. That said, I don't think he'll get it. He probably would have if he hadn't gotten injured. And I don't think Harden is exciting enough to most people. I do think it will go to Westbrook.
If Westbrook and Durant are taken out of their respective teams, which team drops the most wins?(regardless of record)Westbrook has undoubtedly had a great season but I think a team going from elite to super elite is a lot harder than moving up in the .500s. Just consider how rare it is for a team to win 70 or even 68 games. I'd say pushing a team from 65 to 68 is more impressive than almost any upward push from .400s to .500s that Westbrook gave OKC.
Also, I think if the two switched teams, Westbrook wouldn't fit well in GS and they'd have a worse record. If Durant had been healthy all season and played in OKC, I think they'd still be around .570. Westbrook probably can compile these crazy stat lines only on a .500 team that's tailored to him.
That said, Curry should get the award again IMO. I believe he's more valuable to GS than Durant is and if he hadn't been superman last year, people would be more shocked than they are by how well he's playing this year. Triple doubles are impressive but a little overrated. If you count turnovers, Westbrook is usually flirting with a quadruple double anyway.
How did GS go from elite to super elite? They broke the NBA record last year.
How does Curry get the award again? If your pick is based on best player or best team, then Curry as MVP makes sense.
That's in bold part 2 replies up.
Obviously, they don't play the season once with Durant and once without him (or Westbrook) and we don't know. And you definitely can't just assume a team repeats last year's win total. For many reasons (especially regression to the mean) that would be highly unlikely.
That said, I don't think either should be the MVP. We're just debating my ordering of the runner-ups.