for pick 14 and Tyler Johnson
I would. Why would Melo agree to Miami?
He won't.
He's only waiving that NTC for Clippers, Cavs, Boston or a contender.
And Miami may make the playoffs, meaning the pick falls to outside the lottery.
Melo will only go to LA, it is pointless posting trade scenario's to teams he won't agree to go to.
I can totally see Melo in Miami. La la make up company is based there, he owns soccer team in Puerto Rico, the hat company has the miami vibe........Dragic and Whiteside are at decent age for a brief window. This is not a championship type team, but the east is weak. Clev is one injury away from being done, and Boston and ATL are very good teams, but not quite there. Boston could go all in or keep building thru the draft. Seems they are doing both. Not a bad way. Riley could bring in Melo without disrupting their core or dismantling their bench.
Can Riley and Spolestra see his inclusion as beneficial to their team? They have tyler Johnson, Winslow, and a mid first round pick in a deep draft. Should net two of those assets for Melo.
Clippers make the most sense - I posted this in the thread about Wade hooking up in Chicago with Paul & Melo.
Wade signs for vet min. Paul & Griffen re-up. And Melo gets traded for Crawford and Rivers.
That makes their line up
PG - Paul
SG - Wade
SF - Melo
PF - Griffen
C - Jordan
That group is old and probably banged up during the season. But if they could get healthy in the play offs, unstoppable by just about anyone - GS & Lebron included- in a 7 game series.
Melo to MIA should've been a thing in 2015, when MIA still had the 9th pick and legitimate aspirations to be a contender with a healthy Dragic, Wade, Bosh and Whiteside. In today's NBA and with such precious little time in his career, I can't see him going there just to thread water when he could easily do that here in NY.
But Devin Booker would definitely have looked nice in a Knicks jersey back in 2015 with that pick!
Wade not being on Miami anymore is the deal breaker...doubt Anthony would even give a trade proposal the the Heat a second thought.
Pat Riley won't do it he knows adding Melo does nothing for the team. Moving Melo is going to have to be a friend's demand.
Of course, odds are it don't happen.
But......Not thinking A trade for Rivers and Craw is good for us.
Riley won't win a chip with Dragic and Whiteside but can make noise with Melo and a decent core.
If wade was in Miami, I say for sure.....NOT. Not enough money.
Riley is not stupid, he can tread water, get in the playoffs, MAKE MONEY, and rebuild over time.
As for Melo, your not into the Miami vibe and and Melo and LA LA are about.
Nothing to argue, its all just conceptual.
BRIGGS wrote:for pick 14 and Tyler Johnson
Don't know if you've noticed but Miami has become a team that plays hard nose defense and have been winning games because of their defense so Melo and Miami don't match up. They wouldn't want him especially with having Pat "the rat" Riley there and with him knowing they will attract top free agents without having to do much cause they play in Miami and the no state taxes is a beautiful thing to a lot of these free agents.
BRIGGS wrote:for pick 14 and Tyler Johnson
Riley isn't crazy Briggs BUT I would trade Melo anywhere in the world --- he needs to never put on a Knick uniform again.
Vmart wrote:Pat Riley won't do it he knows adding Melo does nothing for the team. Moving Melo is going to have to be a friend's demand.
This +1.
We basically have Bron, CP3...maybe Wade and Boston as a very long shot as options.
Then why not Melo going to Chicago? He almost went there as a free agent. Also Wade should accept his
20 plus million player option bc no other team will pay him that much. Maybe Chicago has enough $ to sign Chris Paul with Doc Rivers coming with him to coach the team.
Pg: Paul
Sg: Wade
Sf: Butler
Pf: Melo
C: Lopez
Win now veteran squad with Butler as your best player, not bad...
BRIGGS wrote:for pick 14 and Tyler Johnson
Cap hit versus cash hit
IF, and it's a huge IF, but if Melo was willing to waive his NTC for Miami, then the Chris Bosh situation becomes very very interesting.
I didn't run the hard numbers, but with the trade kicker, Bosh's salary and probably Josh McRoberts, whom the Heat want to dump, might do it in terms of close salary matching.
Chris Bosh's salary will likely clear off of a teams books when he's not medically cleared to play again. Insurance will cover up to 80 percent of his remaining total salary. "Up to" is a sort of fuzzy term though in this case.
Basically any team who trades for Bosh, if they can predict he will never be medically cleared ever again, can apply for salary cap relief, in which case Bosh's entire salary washes off the books. Operationally, he's like a giant expiring contract. However that's the "cap hit" issue, the "cash hit" issue is that Bosh will still be guaranteed all that money, the difference could be up to 30 million, depending on how the insurance works out.
What a potential trade would break down into is, how many assets would Miami give to save up to 30+ million simply in cash. I don't think Tyler Johnson would be part of that mix or deal, but future draft assets might be in play.
I don't see a trade with Miami happening, BUT the Chris Bosh situation operates as a pretty interesting subtext here.
BRIGGS wrote:for pick 14 and Tyler Johnson
Melo's salary is almost $30 mil a year after his trade kicker. I doubt any team wants that. It's unlikely we'd actually get assets back for him. I think we'd be taking back bad contracts.
Few players can light it up for 25 pts in one period in the NBA. Melo is still one of them.
He is stubburn, but not a cancer. He can play 2 positions and can shoot you back in a game.
While the money is big, he still has skills.
If he widens his allowable team choice besides the often rumored Clippers or Lakers, we might get a decent return on a trade.
I said Decent.
Nalod wrote:Few players can light it up for 25 pts in one period in the NBA. Melo is still one of them.
He is stubburn, but not a cancer. He can play 2 positions and can shoot you back in a game.
While the money is big, he still has skills.
If he widens his allowable team choice besides the often rumored Clippers or Lakers, we might get a decent return on a trade. I said Decent.
Melo is a power forward
He wants to go to contender where his branding is still viable and he gets all his money. Contenders have ball dominant players already. As Charles Barkley says, "Well...there is only one ball...so that's gonna be a problem"
The only viable deal where I can see Melo waiving his NTC for the Lakers is Melo and O'Quinn for Deng, Mozgov and Randle. There would have to be some other smaller moving parts, but the Lakers would probably want out from under those ugly veteran contracts and Randle would be replaced by a marketable player. Also the Buss family and Jackson have history, and that seems to matter ( i.e. Paxton and the Bull and the stupid Rose trade)
I think it's a horrible deal. I'd turn it down if I was the Knicks GM, but it's a deal I think the Lakers would want to do, and Melo would waive his NTC for, but it's just an ugly absorption of bad contracts.
TripleThreat wrote:Nalod wrote:Few players can light it up for 25 pts in one period in the NBA. Melo is still one of them.
He is stubburn, but not a cancer. He can play 2 positions and can shoot you back in a game.
While the money is big, he still has skills.
If he widens his allowable team choice besides the often rumored Clippers or Lakers, we might get a decent return on a trade. I said Decent.
Melo is a power forward
He wants to go to contender where his branding is still viable and he gets all his money. Contenders have ball dominant players already. As Charles Barkley says, "Well...there is only one ball...so that's gonna be a problem"
The only viable deal where I can see Melo waiving his NTC for the Lakers is Melo and O'Quinn for Deng, Mozgov and Randle. There would have to be some other smaller moving parts, but the Lakers would probably want out from under those ugly veteran contracts and Randle would be replaced by a marketable player. Also the Buss family and Jackson have history, and that seems to matter ( i.e. Paxton and the Bull and the stupid Rose trade)
I think it's a horrible deal. I'd turn it down if I was the Knicks GM, but it's a deal I think the Lakers would want to do, and Melo would waive his NTC for, but it's just an ugly absorption of bad contracts.
How can you with a straight face tell any of us what Melo wants to do? He choose NYC over less money and winning scenarios. He choose to work with Phil and his vision. He was to buy into the triangle and use his powerful Rolodex to recruit.
Now he wants to put himself on a contender and only one city has the team but few assets to make it happen. Its obvious LA has advantages for melo. Given the make up of the lakers, I don't see a fit there. Clippers perhaps if Rivers and his owner are all in resigning CP3, Griff and bringing in Melo. Thats a lot of money. Im not sure its doable financially. If so, no bench. Need those to contend. They a bit thin there anyway. I have at least spelled out why Miami would make sense given the business ties La La has there, its an international city, sort of a gateway to latin america, His brands are strong with that demographic, and its not a bad team and one that can still be after a trade. Money aside, and thats a big if, I take Winslow and anything else. This keeps their basic team in place for now. I do want Johnson. We draft Issac and have a nice young team to grow with. With Dragic and Whiteside in their primes now, Melo gives them more punch than winslow, who was not even on this team most of the year. Riles won't win a chips with this team, but he'll make money and still keeps his pick and a future. Melo gets into the playoffs and some redemption there.
And its a long shot at best.
The Heat beat writer posed this question... the responses are hilarious if you click through to the tweet. Heat fans not into the idea.
So they can take him for Bosh's cap space?
for the next two years is Melo better than Winslow? LIke I said, if its "win now" then yes.
Miami can still keep its core and its draft pick.
Some funny stuff, but there is support for him as well.
crzymdups wrote:The Heat beat writer posed this question... the responses are hilarious if you click through to the tweet. Heat fans not into the idea.
Yeah, they get it. $30 mil a year on him does more harm than good. You'd have to give me a lot of assets for me to be willing to take supermax contract Melo. Some of their quotes:
Past his prime, ball hog who plays no D? ..no thanks.
Wouldn't have wanted this clown 10 years ago, much less now.
To be honest, the challenge of all challenges for the Heat organization would be to make Carmelo care enough to get in shape and play D.
Worst idea ever. He's not even a good player.
To be fair, I was selective here. It does look like about 20% of the posters wanted to bring him to Miami.
