We can draft Fultz and Tatum hopefully
Melo isn't worth trading the #1 overall pick and smart... would you do that trade if you were Boston?
Yeah but I would keep smart out of it.....We know what you got in Melo 25 PPG scorer....Just what Thomas would need..These prospects are just potentials ...Hit or miss
You know with his trade Kicker, Melo's salary is almost $30 mil a season? I don't see any team wanting a 43% shooter who doesn't play defense for that price no matter how high the scoring volume is. I don't think we'd be getting assets for him. Pretty sure we'd have to take garbage back in a trade.
Bonn1997 wrote:You know with his trade Kicker, Melo's salary is almost $30 mil a season? I don't see any team wanting a 43% shooter who doesn't play defense for that price no matter how high the scoring volume is. I don't think we'd be getting assets for him. Pretty sure we'd have to take garbage back in a trade.
Don't the knicks pay the trade kicker? Or at least have the option too
Bonn1997 wrote:You know with his trade Kicker, Melo's salary is almost $30 mil a season? I don't see any team wanting a 43% shooter who doesn't play defense for that price no matter how high the scoring volume is. I don't think we'd be getting assets for him. Pretty sure we'd have to take garbage back in a trade.
i agree. His deal with the kicker is almost not moveable. I also don't expect Phil to get much back in trades. Especially when he has expressed his desire to move the player and criticized him in the media.
I'd take Smart and #36 this year and Boston's #1 next year for Melo. The package stinks, but its way better than what the LAC's could offer
CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:You know with his trade Kicker, Melo's salary is almost $30 mil a season? I don't see any team wanting a 43% shooter who doesn't play defense for that price no matter how high the scoring volume is. I don't think we'd be getting assets for him. Pretty sure we'd have to take garbage back in a trade.
i agree. His deal with the kicker is almost not moveable. I also don't expect Phil to get much back in trades. Especially when he has expressed his desire to move the player and criticized him in the media.
I don't think he's unmovable. I think some GM and owner combo is going to think that a trade would reinvigorate Melo. That said, I'm not expecting much in terms of assets. If we could get a guy best suited as the fifth-best starter or a sixth man and a pick, that would be tremendous. We're definitely not getting the best player in the deal back, unless the draft pick turns out way better than anticiapted
SupremeCommander wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:You know with his trade Kicker, Melo's salary is almost $30 mil a season? I don't see any team wanting a 43% shooter who doesn't play defense for that price no matter how high the scoring volume is. I don't think we'd be getting assets for him. Pretty sure we'd have to take garbage back in a trade.
i agree. His deal with the kicker is almost not moveable. I also don't expect Phil to get much back in trades. Especially when he has expressed his desire to move the player and criticized him in the media.
I don't think he's unmovable. I think some GM and owner combo is going to think that a trade would reinvigorate Melo. That said, I'm not expecting much in terms of assets. If we could get a guy best suited as the fifth-best starter or a sixth man and a pick, that would be tremendous. We're definitely not getting the best player in the deal back, unless the draft pick turns out way better than anticiapted
and Doc Rivers literally said they would have accepted "any" of the proposed trades that were circulating around the media. If you could find another team to take Crawford Knicks could (at worst) make the Austin Rivers trade and get an extra $15mm or so in cap space.
We can't expect much back in terms of asset but it is imperative that we don't get back negative value as well. Crawford has a negative value. I know Melo is not the best player but we can legitimately expect a better package that what Calderon alone would have gotten us.
shinmen wrote:We can't expect much back in terms of asset but it is imperative that we don't get back negative value as well. Crawford has a negative value. I know Melo is not the best player but we can legitimately expect a better package that what Calderon alone would have gotten us.
Yeah that's the problem. The reason we don't want Crawford is why no team will take his contract unless we give up assets to do so. I think we have to just wait for Melo's contract to expire or take on an even worse contract in a trade. Looks like we'll never see the day where Melo's contract is a bargain in the new CBA.
dwiley20 wrote:We can draft Fultz and Tatum hopefully
Yeah, lets do this!!!!
Knicks are crazy not to do this right?
wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:You know with his trade Kicker, Melo's salary is almost $30 mil a season? I don't see any team wanting a 43% shooter who doesn't play defense for that price no matter how high the scoring volume is. I don't think we'd be getting assets for him. Pretty sure we'd have to take garbage back in a trade.
Don't the knicks pay the trade kicker? Or at least have the option too
I just looked into this. I think you're right, though I think the full salary with the kicker counts against the new team's cap and counts towards the luxury tax.
dwiley20 wrote:We can draft Fultz and Tatum hopefully
Wow we can trade Melo for the 1st pick in the draft?? Why didn't anyone think about that before?? Great job DWiley!!! Keep up the good work. The rest of you are knuckleheads
The trade to clippers is laughable
dwiley20 wrote:The trade to clippers is laughable
but its realistic- your proposed trade is the stuff of fantasies- why would the Celtics trade Fultz and Smart for Old Man Logan? I thought we could months ago but have since realized I was high.
You say something about Patrick Ewing? Unless we get assets keep him put him on the bench as a 6th man
Bonn1997 wrote:shinmen wrote:We can't expect much back in terms of asset but it is imperative that we don't get back negative value as well. Crawford has a negative value. I know Melo is not the best player but we can legitimately expect a better package that what Calderon alone would have gotten us.
Yeah that's the problem. The reason we don't want Crawford is why no team will take his contract unless we give up assets to do so. I think we have to just wait for Melo's contract to expire or take on an even worse contract in a trade. Looks like we'll never see the day where Melo's contract is a bargain in the new CBA.
The time to trade with Boston for a first round pick was this past February, while Boston may have been contemplating getting Melo to leapfrog Cle and GSW as championship contenders this year, and had enough useless expiring contracts to send in return. The fact that this trade did not go down tells me that Boston do not see Melo as key to their championship hopes. And once they draft someone like Tatum or Jackson, they will prove right. Unless they really crash and burn early in this year's playoffs, in which case they could do a foolish and desperate move for Melo.
But that would probably around their 2018 first rounder, which coming from Brooklyn will be a high one. Would be a great trade for the Knicks if it happened AND we did not take any bad contracts in return.
Trading Melo is going to be very difficult with his trade kicker. I am posting on my phone and have not been able to post links to a couple of articles relating to Melo's trade kicker. Melo's deal becomes 30 mil annually on the cap for whatever team he is traded to. Melo is able to waive all or parts of his ntc but the ability to do this depends on the receiving team's cap situation and how the trade is structured (amount of salary going out from receiving team). Also, I don't know if keeping Rambis on the staff and Phil's public criticisms are enough to get Melo to give up 12 mil for two years.
I would not mind keeping Melo for another two seasons, unless we get a high lottery pick in return. He is not stifling anyone's development, and will stand in the way of any Knicks championship aspirations for us during these two years. So, taking this into account the team will be better with him than without.
But it is clear that he will never win a championship in NY.
If your objective is to keep a losing ball player and continue to see him hoist garbage in the 4th quarter and the Knicks not be able to win more than 35 games a season then keep him. Personally I'd trade him for a tuna fish sandwich as he's a cancer. I'd tell him youbstay you'll play 25 minutes a night. Then see if Melo and his brand are willing to go elsewhere.
