Knicks · Who would you rather have right now: Melo or Gallinari? (page 1)

Uptown @ 4/13/2017 9:47 PM
Bonn1997 @ 4/13/2017 9:55 PM
Uptown wrote:

LOL, it's been a while since we looked at this topic.
sidsanders @ 4/13/2017 9:55 PM
neither, though i can see why that isnt one of the options. 'none of the above' wins easy.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/denver-nugget...
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knic...

dg only because of his contract being shorter

crzymdups @ 4/13/2017 9:57 PM
I'd rather have KP than Gallinari. The two of them on the same team would be one of the worst defensive pairings in the entire league.

For the record, I'd rather have Camby and Nene than McDyess though.

Bonn1997 @ 4/13/2017 9:59 PM
crzymdups wrote:I'd rather have KP than Gallinari. The two of them on the same team would be one of the worst defensive pairings in the entire league.

For the record, I'd rather have Camby and Nene than McDyess though.


According to the tracking data, Gallo held his man to 42% shooting this year. The injuries are a legit concern with him but I'd still rather have him for fewer games than Melo for a whole season.
crzymdups @ 4/13/2017 10:25 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I'd rather have KP than Gallinari. The two of them on the same team would be one of the worst defensive pairings in the entire league.

For the record, I'd rather have Camby and Nene than McDyess though.


According to the tracking data, Gallo held his man to 42% shooting this year. The injuries are a legit concern with him but I'd still rather have him for fewer games than Melo for a whole season.

If you play Gallinari at the 3, KP at the 4, Willy at the 5 you will be the absolute worst defensive team in the league.

The trade happened what six years ago now? Might be time to let it go.

WaltLongmire @ 4/13/2017 10:56 PM
If Gallinari could stay healthy, and you could count on him for 70+ games/year for the next 5 year...it would be a no brainer, but as much as I like him, the injury issue makes it impossible to count on him to be a building block for a team.
CrushAlot @ 4/13/2017 10:58 PM
How about Ujiri or PJax?
crzymdups @ 4/13/2017 11:37 PM
CrushAlot wrote:How about Ujiri or PJax?

Ujiri would be nice.

I think the Raps might be close to the favorite in the East right now. The Ibaka trade has helped them. And Lowry is healthy again.

smackeddog @ 4/14/2017 2:18 AM
Gallo hasn't achieved anything more than melo really- Knicks and Nuggets have had roughly the same record each year. I like Gallo but he is injury prone and missed about 2 seasons with his ACL and botched treatment of it.
yellowboy90 @ 4/14/2017 2:18 AM
Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
stopstandthere @ 4/14/2017 5:31 AM
The trade included other pieces. Not just Gallo.
Bonn1997 @ 4/14/2017 6:49 AM
stopstandthere wrote:The trade included other pieces. Not just Gallo.

Yeah that made it worse. I put this up just to keep it simple.

Bonn1997 @ 4/14/2017 6:55 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+

Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.
Bonn1997 @ 4/14/2017 6:58 AM
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I'd rather have KP than Gallinari. The two of them on the same team would be one of the worst defensive pairings in the entire league.

For the record, I'd rather have Camby and Nene than McDyess though.


According to the tracking data, Gallo held his man to 42% shooting this year. The injuries are a legit concern with him but I'd still rather have him for fewer games than Melo for a whole season.

If you play Gallinari at the 3, KP at the 4, Willy at the 5 you will be the absolute worst defensive team in the league.

The trade happened what six years ago now? Might be time to let it go.


Worse than having Melo at the 3, KP at the 4, and Willy at the 5? Is the camera that's recording the FG% of Gallo's man somehow wrong?
nyknickzingis @ 4/14/2017 7:11 AM
Funny how in some situations KP is a 5 and Melo is a 4 and then when it's convenient, KP is a 4 and Gallo is a 4 as well.
Getting ridiculous.

I liked Gallo. I wasn't on this board, but I didn't like the Melo trade. I was in favor of trading for Melo, or signing him in the offseason, but never trading as much as we did to get him. Dolan really messed that up.

It's water under the bridge at this point, and Gallo has never become an all-star or a top 20 player in the league. He's been injury riddles as well. I did think we made a mistake giving him up. He was developing nicely in MDA's offense and style and that team was doing pretty well with Mos at 5, Amare, Gallo, Fields, Felton. Then we also gave up a future #1 pick. Bad trade longterm.

That younger team was meshing well with D'Antoni, and Melo never meshed with D'Antoni. The trade not only made Knicks lose a good player in Gallo, it also cost draft picks, and longterm ability to rebuild. We got cap strapped with Amare/Melo who did not complement each other at all. We lost a pretty good coach in D'Antoni because he never fit with Melo. Just can't believe Melo has so many fans. He's added little to this franchise in his 7 years. He's not a bad player, but he's certainly not a player that shifts the franchise's trajectory in an upward manner.

Bonn1997 @ 4/14/2017 8:41 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+

Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.

Oh I didn't realize he can opt out right now. I thought it was a year from now. I see what you're saying. He'll probably opt out now.

Paris907 @ 4/14/2017 9:01 AM
I'd take Galinari's sister just to rid Melo. He's a self absorbed loser.
I agree that KP and Galinaribare a piss poor pairing
TripleThreat @ 4/14/2017 9:10 AM
Who would you rather have right now: Melo or Gallinari?

****

I'd rather have ANYONE who would play team basketball and do their best at MAX EFFORT to play the game the RIGHT WAY

I'd rather have Rick Brunson or Brian Scalabrine on this roster instead of Melo.

Win or lose, play the game the right way.

blkexec says, well that's just the way Melo is, everyone should just know better. It's everyone elses fault, blame the fans. Way to set expectations low. ( Who the flying f**k says to blame the fans, I mean what kind of senseless happy horsesh*t is that? I'm usually of the vein to "let everyone have their opinion" but WTF? Why not just take a big fat piss on the faces of all the fans here....)

I accept players have deficiencies in their game.

It is UNACCEPTABLE for anyone wearing a beloved Knicks jersey to give anything less than max effort.

It is UNACCEPTABLE for anyone wearing a beloved Knicks jersey to do anything other than everything possible to win basketball games, up to and including sacrificing one's personal game.

It is UNACCEPTABLE for anyone wearing a beloved Knicks jersey to not work on their game relentless to correct those deficiencies as much as humanly possibly.

This should be the BASELINE behavior of a player on this roster.

Chris Rock said it best, never congratulate someone or make them out to be a hero for THINGS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO ANYWAY.

If someone applauds because Melo once in a while gives some kind of effort on defense, to me, that's repugnant. It's insulting to every Knicks fan. Its insulting to the game itself. It's insulting period.

There was a Twilight Zone episode, an old one, where a couple has a car break down in a small town, and everyone is terrified of one kid. Because he has supernatural powers, to make people disappear and he's basically a spoiled out of control child throwing temper tantrums and killing people left and right. This is Melo. Basically an out of control child who no one can drag into any kind of discipline because he has a guaranteed contract, a NTC, a trade kicker and basically no desire to help this team win.

Yes, yes, blame the fans. How completely out of touch do you have to be with any kind of reality to blame the fans? Without the fans, Melo would be driving a truck for a living ( not that there is anything wrong with honest work) Without the fans, Alonzo Mourning and his fried kidneys would be DEAD. Only NBA players are that stupid as to have Patrick Ewing say, "We make a lot of money, but we spend a lot of money too" when there are people out there losing their homes and struggle to pay for their basic medicine and food.

Here's something once you get past the most vocal minority of fans, I'd wager most of the fanbase would UNDERSTAND a team losing and losing a lot if that team was giving max effort and playing the right way. Because if you do that, if you stay the course, you won't lose forever. Things can change for the better. It won't happen overnight, but it's the nature of the game itself. If you give everything you have into the game, the game gives everything it has back into you.

I truly think many people fail to understand Jeremy Lin and Linsanity in New York. It's not because he was Asian. It's not because he was an underdog story. He represented such a contrast to the selfish BS me first diva player typical of the NBA, he was like a breath of fresh air. Or course he got criticism, he showed more as basically a rookie player, the poise, the relentlessness, the leadership, the sacrifice, than many decade long veterans. In a game marketed to sell the most shoes and see who can dunk over a car, it still came down to playing the game the right way, for the right reasons, for the greater good of winning.

It's not just the losing this season, it's that so many of the player, esp the veterans, played in a way no reasonable fan could be proud of in any way. Melo wants to come to NY but carries none of the grit that defines New York.

It's insulting how Melo plays the game.
It's pathetic that he apparently has no shame for his disgraceful play.
It's mind boggling to try to negotiate with a child to do the THINGS HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO ANYWAY

Every single time Melo puts on a Knicks jersey and doesn't play in a manner to befit the HONOR that should mean, he's saying F**K YOU to all of you. To every single last fan here. He's saying EAT MY SH*T AND DIE. And some of you are cool with it, want to defend that behavior, and the question has to be asked, because Melo has no dignity, does that mean you have to have no dignity as well?

There's nothing wrong with expecting someone to act like a professional.

There's nothing wrong with expecting someone to act like they belong in New York.

Nalod @ 4/14/2017 9:11 AM
We are way past any way of measuring "The Trade". Too many transactions in between would changed the completion of the knicks had they not made that deal. Cap space, Picks, Other opportunities, etc are way past being able to do an apples to apples comparison.

No doubt Melo is and has been the better player, but all things considered its not a deal I was in favor then. Maybe if we don't get Amare we don't bother with trying to pair him with Melo. Maybe Melo does not put us on the list because we don't have Amare or a star for him to play with.
Its too inaccurate to say "well look at Denver" and how they did. Didn't they win 57 games the year we won 54?? That is a good coincidence but little else can compare. Coaches, draft picks and other mistakes all factor in.

We paid full retail for Melo but he delivered up to his abilities and with overall good health. Those who have been critical of his whole career are accurate as he was not the kind of player that you build around. He might be a guy you just build with.

holfresh @ 4/14/2017 9:39 AM
TripleThreat wrote:Who would you rather have right now: Melo or Gallinari?

****

I'd rather have ANYONE who would play team basketball and do their best at MAX EFFORT to play the game the RIGHT WAY

I'd rather have Rick Brunson or Brian Scalabrine on this roster instead of Melo.

Win or lose, play the game the right way.

blkexec says, well that's just the way Melo is, everyone should just know better. It's everyone elses fault, blame the fans. Way to set expectations low. ( Who the flying f**k says to blame the fans, I mean what kind of senseless happy horsesh*t is that? I'm usually of the vein to "let everyone have their opinion" but WTF? Why not just take a big fat piss on the faces of all the fans here....)

I accept players have deficiencies in their game.

It is UNACCEPTABLE for anyone wearing a beloved Knicks jersey to give anything less than max effort.

It is UNACCEPTABLE for anyone wearing a beloved Knicks jersey to do anything other than everything possible to win basketball games, up to and including sacrificing one's personal game.

It is UNACCEPTABLE for anyone wearing a beloved Knicks jersey to not work on their game relentless to correct those deficiencies as much as humanly possibly.

This should be the BASELINE behavior of a player on this roster.

Chris Rock said it best, never congratulate someone or make them out to be a hero for THINGS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO ANYWAY.

If someone applauds because Melo once in a while gives some kind of effort on defense, to me, that's repugnant. It's insulting to every Knicks fan. Its insulting to the game itself. It's insulting period.

There was a Twilight Zone episode, an old one, where a couple has a car break down in a small town, and everyone is terrified of one kid. Because he has supernatural powers, to make people disappear and he's basically a spoiled out of control child throwing temper tantrums and killing people left and right. This is Melo. Basically an out of control child who no one can drag into any kind of discipline because he has a guaranteed contract, a NTC, a trade kicker and basically no desire to help this team win.

Yes, yes, blame the fans. How completely out of touch do you have to be with any kind of reality to blame the fans? Without the fans, Melo would be driving a truck for a living ( not that there is anything wrong with honest work) Without the fans, Alonzo Mourning and his fried kidneys would be DEAD. Only NBA players are that stupid as to have Patrick Ewing say, "We make a lot of money, but we spend a lot of money too" when there are people out there losing their homes and struggle to pay for their basic medicine and food.

Here's something once you get past the most vocal minority of fans, I'd wager most of the fanbase would UNDERSTAND a team losing and losing a lot if that team was giving max effort and playing the right way. Because if you do that, if you stay the course, you won't lose forever. Things can change for the better. It won't happen overnight, but it's the nature of the game itself. If you give everything you have into the game, the game gives everything it has back into you.

I truly think many people fail to understand Jeremy Lin and Linsanity in New York. It's not because he was Asian. It's not because he was an underdog story. He represented such a contrast to the selfish BS me first diva player typical of the NBA, he was like a breath of fresh air. Or course he got criticism, he showed more as basically a rookie player, the poise, the relentlessness, the leadership, the sacrifice, than many decade long veterans. In a game marketed to sell the most shoes and see who can dunk over a car, it still came down to playing the game the right way, for the right reasons, for the greater good of winning.

It's not just the losing this season, it's that so many of the player, esp the veterans, played in a way no reasonable fan could be proud of in any way. Melo wants to come to NY but carries none of the grit that defines New York.

It's insulting how Melo plays the game.
It's pathetic that he apparently has no shame for his disgraceful play.
It's mind boggling to try to negotiate with a child to do the THINGS HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO ANYWAY

Every single time Melo puts on a Knicks jersey and doesn't play in a manner to befit the HONOR that should mean, he's saying F**K YOU to all of you. To every single last fan here. He's saying EAT MY SH*T AND DIE. And some of you are cool with it, want to defend that behavior, and the question has to be asked, because Melo has no dignity, does that mean you have to have no dignity as well?

There's nothing wrong with expecting someone to act like a professional.

There's nothing wrong with expecting someone to act like they belong in New York.

I have seen you praise David Lee's efforts here, knowing he was only concerned about one thing, his double doubles, and couldn't give two shits about defense or his man on the perimeter...Yet you kill Melo who gives far more effort on defense than Mr. Lee...

I have seen you glow over Steve Novak, who must have been the biggest defensive disaster ever to don a Knick uniform...I remember one game where he allow 5 consecutive layups from his man and people complained he wasn't getting enough playing time in that very game...He never really played after the Knicks..Only Knick fans..

You though we should have built around Jeremy Lin, another Knick defensive disaster..I must admit he did improve over the years on defense but the day Calderon scorched him for 25 early before Shump had to shut him down was just about enough for me...

So, really, what gives because you didn't find all these things UNACCEPTABLE???

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