wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Gudris wrote:I support Phil 100%, all he said was valid, just media make it big deal
Phil is 100% correct that the players he brought in are lousy.
And that Melo would be better somewhere else
Yeah the players he brought here would be better off somewhere else. Jeez.
Bonn1997 wrote:wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Gudris wrote:I support Phil 100%, all he said was valid, just media make it big deal
Phil is 100% correct that the players he brought in are lousy.
And that Melo would be better somewhere else
Yeah the players he brought here would be better off somewhere else. Jeez.
We're in a rebuild. If they care about winning yeah they should go somewhere else
wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Gudris wrote:I support Phil 100%, all he said was valid, just media make it big deal
Phil is 100% correct that the players he brought in are lousy.
And that Melo would be better somewhere else
Yeah the players he brought here would be better off somewhere else. Jeez.
We're in a rebuild. If they care about winning yeah they should go somewhere else
they usually do a win
Grant-playoffs
THJ-playoffs
JR-playoffs
shump-playoffs
Lopez-playoffs
You see it's not what Phil says, it's how he says it, and when he says it that makes all the difference in the world,
The Rose trade is nowhere near as the Bargs trade, thats crazy talk. I didnt like the Rose trade but it wasn't a bad gamble. The stupid move was signing Noah.
yellowboy90 wrote:wargames wrote:Wow you have no idea what you are talking about.....lmaoThis isn't even as bad as Grunwald trading for Bargnani...... so it's definitely not as bad as Isiah who was arguably as bad as Layden. This isn't even in range of what those 3 did.
I'd argue the Rose trade is equal Bargs but Phil is not Isaiah level bad because of the lack of lawsuit. Is he a terrible President? Yes
Yeah because players never have their own agenda.Winning covers all this crap up
knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:Rebuilding through youth.... you can't win championships when you are trying to build up the youth
You can't win many games either, and with more off court drama than a episode of REAL WORLD, you can't even begin to develop any one.
KP has indicated on several occasions that the entire team played for self.
when you put a roster together like this guys start playing for
Rose- contract
KP- respect
willy-stats
Melo-still the man
Holiday-contract
Lance-prove he isn't a bum
KOQ-that he deserves more minutes
KUZ-that he can play in the nba
Baker-see kuz
randle-see cuz
Jennings-that we can win without the triangle
These players hardly ever played with each other, or for each other. This has been the case with every roster phil has assemble
Not 1 of those guys is even in the top 5 reasons their team is in the playoffs.
knicks1248 wrote:wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Gudris wrote:I support Phil 100%, all he said was valid, just media make it big deal
Phil is 100% correct that the players he brought in are lousy.
And that Melo would be better somewhere else
Yeah the players he brought here would be better off somewhere else. Jeez.
We're in a rebuild. If they care about winning yeah they should go somewhere else
they usually do a win
Grant-playoffs
THJ-playoffs
JR-playoffs
shump-playoffs
Lopez-playoffs
You see it's not what Phil says, it's how he says it, and when he says it that makes all the difference in the world,
Jmpasq wrote:Not 1 of those guys is even in the top 5 reasons their team is in the playoffs.
knicks1248 wrote:wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Gudris wrote:I support Phil 100%, all he said was valid, just media make it big deal
Phil is 100% correct that the players he brought in are lousy.
And that Melo would be better somewhere else
Yeah the players he brought here would be better off somewhere else. Jeez.
We're in a rebuild. If they care about winning yeah they should go somewhere else
they usually do a win
Grant-playoffs
THJ-playoffs
JR-playoffs
shump-playoffs
Lopez-playoffs
You see it's not what Phil says, it's how he says it, and when he says it that makes all the difference in the world,
Exactly but they would of all been starters if they stayed in NY
If Phil trades KP over the summer, a known commodity, for a draft pick, then he will be right up there with Isiah. The main thing that separates Phil from Isiah is that he isnt trading away future draft picks like a drunken sailor.
GustavBahler wrote:If Phil trades KP over the summer, a known commodity, for a draft pick, then he will be right up there with Isiah. The main thing that separates Phil from Isiah is that he isnt trading away future draft picks like a drunken sailor.
Question is will he be viewed as resistant by Phil..But I think Phil knows he will lose the media war if he trades KP
holfresh wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If Phil trades KP over the summer, a known commodity, for a draft pick, then he will be right up there with Isiah. The main thing that separates Phil from Isiah is that he isnt trading away future draft picks like a drunken sailor.
Question is will he be viewed as resistant by Phil..But I think Phil knows he will lose the media war if he trades KP
Looks like we've already reached that point. Skipping the exit interview was a big tell. Phil knows the outlines of why KP bailed.
GustavBahler wrote:If Phil trades KP over the summer, a known commodity, for a draft pick, then he will be right up there with Isiah. The main thing that separates Phil from Isiah is that he isnt trading away future draft picks like a drunken sailor.
He may not be trading future draft picks but he is trading/wasting draft picks.
Shump. Early. Greek. Grant.
HofstraBBall wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If Phil trades KP over the summer, a known commodity, for a draft pick, then he will be right up there with Isiah. The main thing that separates Phil from Isiah is that he isnt trading away future draft picks like a drunken sailor.
He may not be trading future draft picks but he is trading/wasting draft picks.
Shump. Early. Greek. Grant.
Just glad we still have them. In a couple of years they will be very important.
knicks1248 wrote:wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Gudris wrote:I support Phil 100%, all he said was valid, just media make it big deal
Phil is 100% correct that the players he brought in are lousy.
And that Melo would be better somewhere else
Yeah the players he brought here would be better off somewhere else. Jeez.
We're in a rebuild. If they care about winning yeah they should go somewhere else
they usually do a win
Grant-playoffs
THJ-playoffs
JR-playoffs
shump-playoffs
Lopez-playoffs
You see it's not what Phil says, it's how he says it, and when he says it that makes all the difference in the world,
What does that say about Melo? Those guys played with Melo no playoffs. They leave and playoffs. If Melo is your best player then it's on him because other players team seem to integrate former Knicks and win. Some just teams have a lot more talent also but it's not what the Knicks of Phil was given.
smackeddog wrote:wargames wrote:Wow you have no idea what you are talking about.....lmaoThis isn't even as bad as Grunwald trading for Bargnani...... so it's definitely not as bad as Isiah who was arguably as bad as Layden. This isn't even in range of what those 3 did.
knicks1248 said previously that you can't rebuild via the draft, opposed tanking then after the season proposed trading Willy to move up the draft, which says it all really.
Yup. He has made it clear he hates building through draft,playing younger players,and believes only in veterans. The funny thing is that we have tried his way for 17 years and stunk.
How quickly we forget. Isaiah was handing out $30 million contracts to scrubs.
Phil's had 1 draft choice. The media hates Phil yet apart from some bad luck with Noah, and purging Jr, Shump and Chandler with little back, I've few issues. This team requires a makeover and injection of youth. Purging Melo is a fine idea and I'm a proponent. For the NBA to throw their 2 Cents in is ludicrous. I believe KPs reaction is that of a 21 year old, and invariably references the leadership Melo has instilled rather than Phils or Hornachek.
I'm not necessarily a proponent of the Triangle yet if the roster is greatly improved and young, athleticnandnplayoff worthy, I'll forgive the Triangle and let the next GM worry about it.
Vmart wrote:knicks1248 wrote:wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Gudris wrote:I support Phil 100%, all he said was valid, just media make it big deal
Phil is 100% correct that the players he brought in are lousy.
And that Melo would be better somewhere else
Yeah the players he brought here would be better off somewhere else. Jeez.
We're in a rebuild. If they care about winning yeah they should go somewhere else
they usually do a win
Grant-playoffs
THJ-playoffs
JR-playoffs
shump-playoffs
Lopez-playoffs
You see it's not what Phil says, it's how he says it, and when he says it that makes all the difference in the world,
What does that say about Melo? Those guys played with Melo no playoffs. They leave and playoffs. If Melo is your best player then it's on him because other players team seem to integrate former Knicks and win. Some just teams have a lot more talent also but it's not what the Knicks of Phil was given.
Those guys were part of the resistance, and every roster he has ever assemble, 65% of the of it, is resisting the triangle.
Phil will get rid of anybody resisting like he's some kind of dictator..He keeps blaming the roster he put together, without just coming out and saying "I Keep putting together BS rosters, and forcing my will on my coaching staff and players, and for that, there's dysfunction and confusion, because players don't want to play like i had my teams back in the 90's.
I shouldn't feed the trolls...but...
Isiah and Layden net result: cap hell, mortgaged future, roster barren of talent.
Phil net result so far: great cap situation, all current and future picks, roster full of promising young talent.
But trolls gonna troll so have at it. Doesn't change the fact that this is a team on the rise.
Vmart wrote:knicks1248 wrote:wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Gudris wrote:I support Phil 100%, all he said was valid, just media make it big deal
Phil is 100% correct that the players he brought in are lousy.
And that Melo would be better somewhere else
Yeah the players he brought here would be better off somewhere else. Jeez.
We're in a rebuild. If they care about winning yeah they should go somewhere else
they usually do a win
Grant-playoffs
THJ-playoffs
JR-playoffs
shump-playoffs
Lopez-playoffs
You see it's not what Phil says, it's how he says it, and when he says it that makes all the difference in the world,
What does that say about Melo? Those guys played with Melo no playoffs. They leave and playoffs. If Melo is your best player then it's on him because other players team seem to integrate former Knicks and win. Some just teams have a lot more talent also but it's not what the Knicks of Phil was given.
Correction...What does this say about this franchise?! Melo was a constant playoff participant until he joined this dysfunctional franchise. Grant and Lopez are playing with Wade (3x champ) and Rondo (1x champ) and a franchise that is always a playoff participant, JR and Shump are playing with Lebron and THJ is playing for a franchise that has been to 10 straight playoffs...
The players never revolted against IT, so IT has that much on Phil. IT as a drafter was solid, if not spectacular. Phil hit a homerun with KP, but really, it was more luck because if we had the 2 or 3 pick, we would have been stuck with Okafor. The singing of Noah was a classic IT move, and giving away Tyson Chandler for peanuts was not great, even though I think one of those picks turned into Willy, so I will have to give Phil points for that. Phil's ineptness is all self inflicted through his comments. IT was just inept in everything but the draft.
knicks1248 wrote:Vmart wrote:knicks1248 wrote:wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Gudris wrote:I support Phil 100%, all he said was valid, just media make it big deal
Phil is 100% correct that the players he brought in are lousy.
And that Melo would be better somewhere else
Yeah the players he brought here would be better off somewhere else. Jeez.
We're in a rebuild. If they care about winning yeah they should go somewhere else
they usually do a win
Grant-playoffs
THJ-playoffs
JR-playoffs
shump-playoffs
Lopez-playoffs
You see it's not what Phil says, it's how he says it, and when he says it that makes all the difference in the world,
What does that say about Melo? Those guys played with Melo no playoffs. They leave and playoffs. If Melo is your best player then it's on him because other players team seem to integrate former Knicks and win. Some just teams have a lot more talent also but it's not what the Knicks of Phil was given.
Those guys were part of the resistance, and every roster he has ever assemble, 65% of the of it, is resisting the triangle.
Phil will get rid of anybody resisting like he's some kind of dictator..He keeps blaming the roster he put together, without just coming out and saying "I Keep putting together BS rosters, and forcing my will on my coaching staff and players, and for that, there's dysfunction and confusion, because players don't want to play like i had my teams back in the 90's.
Oh come on these guys were resisting Woody the year after 54 wins.
Uptown wrote:Vmart wrote:knicks1248 wrote:wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:wargames wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Gudris wrote:I support Phil 100%, all he said was valid, just media make it big deal
Phil is 100% correct that the players he brought in are lousy.
And that Melo would be better somewhere else
Yeah the players he brought here would be better off somewhere else. Jeez.
We're in a rebuild. If they care about winning yeah they should go somewhere else
they usually do a win
Grant-playoffs
THJ-playoffs
JR-playoffs
shump-playoffs
Lopez-playoffs
You see it's not what Phil says, it's how he says it, and when he says it that makes all the difference in the world,
What does that say about Melo? Those guys played with Melo no playoffs. They leave and playoffs. If Melo is your best player then it's on him because other players team seem to integrate former Knicks and win. Some just teams have a lot more talent also but it's not what the Knicks of Phil was given.
Correction...What does this say about this franchise?! Melo was a constant playoff participant until he joined this dysfunctional franchise. Grant and Lopez are playing with Wade (3x champ) and Rondo (1x champ) and a franchise that is always a playoff participant, JR and Shump are playing with Lebron and THJ is playing for a franchise that has been to 10 straight playoffs...
Wait let's correct this Melo made the playoffs with the Knicks. Let's be fair to him. The thing is you want to make the playoffs you can make the playoffs. Any team can make the playoffs and disappear the next year. What the Knicks need is sustained winning and for that we need better talent then Melo who is aging and the Knicks need a youth movement.
Melo can win but you need a A1 supreme talent to make it a go. Melo get paid like a supreme talent which I blame Phil for by the way. I was in favor of Letting Melo walk. That ship has sailed. But for the sake of the future must get back talent in form of picks and young players for Melo which helps the future. Keeping Melo around doesn't do anything for the near future we aren't going to win and that is a given.
