Knicks · face it, PHIL is done and he has officially matched I. Thomas for most inept leader in franchise history (page 3)

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Gudris wrote:I support Phil 100%, all he said was valid, just media make it big deal

Phil is 100% correct that the players he brought in are lousy.

And that Melo would be better somewhere else

Yeah the players he brought here would be better off somewhere else. Jeez.

We're in a rebuild. If they care about winning yeah they should go somewhere else

they usually do a win

Grant-playoffs
THJ-playoffs
JR-playoffs
shump-playoffs
Lopez-playoffs

You see it's not what Phil says, it's how he says it, and when he says it that makes all the difference in the world,

What does that say about Melo? Those guys played with Melo no playoffs. They leave and playoffs. If Melo is your best player then it's on him because other players team seem to integrate former Knicks and win. Some just teams have a lot more talent also but it's not what the Knicks of Phil was given.

Correction...What does this say about this franchise?! Melo was a constant playoff participant until he joined this dysfunctional franchise. Grant and Lopez are playing with Wade (3x champ) and Rondo (1x champ) and a franchise that is always a playoff participant, JR and Shump are playing with Lebron and THJ is playing for a franchise that has been to 10 straight playoffs...

Wait let's correct this Melo made the playoffs with the Knicks. Let's be fair to him. The thing is you want to make the playoffs you can make the playoffs. Any team can make the playoffs and disappear the next year. What the Knicks need is sustained winning and for that we need better talent then Melo who is aging and the Knicks need a youth movement.

Melo can win but you need a A1 supreme talent to make it a go. Melo get paid like a supreme talent which I blame Phil for by the way. I was in favor of Letting Melo walk. That ship has sailed. But for the sake of the future must get back talent in form of picks and young players for Melo which helps the future. Keeping Melo around doesn't do anything for the near future we aren't going to win and that is a given.

fwk00 wrote:I was okay with It tried to do with his trades. Where I parted ways with IT was his power struggle with Larry Brown.

It had nothing to work with. He was saddled with a largely worthless roster that over time he attempted to strengthen by making very high risk moves (eg High risk/High reward). The risks unfortunately did not pan out. But his thinking and speculation was spot on.

Because of the disappointing results and the moronic behavior of some of the players, IT was crucified. He didn't deserve it.

Phil, OTOH, has had disappointing won/loss records but has dozens of positive accomplishments that have been listed repeatedly.

And I think most fans underestimate his smarts. for example, by investing in Noah, Phil ensures that Noah's positive influence is virtually guaranteed to be here. Noah's salary restricts the ability of the organization to once again deviate from the rebuild mode (cheaper, hungrier talent) to Starphuck (expensive - think I'll float downstream talent).

It's a plan way too complex for the MSM to understand so they attack him viciously. And Phil is so cool during these pressers. He diplomatically gives the media the finger and they hunger for more like Pavlov's dogs.

Lol yes it was a brilliant move to sign Noah for 18 million for his positive vibe for the team and to eat up so much cap space we are forced to rebuild. Melos contract and ntc are the same too, right? And he must be killing melos trade value so he can take more bad contract and ensure we stay in rebuild mode. This is sheer idiocy.

nykshaknbake wrote:

fwk00 wrote:I was okay with It tried to do with his trades. Where I parted ways with IT was his power struggle with Larry Brown.

It had nothing to work with. He was saddled with a largely worthless roster that over time he attempted to strengthen by making very high risk moves (eg High risk/High reward). The risks unfortunately did not pan out. But his thinking and speculation was spot on.

Because of the disappointing results and the moronic behavior of some of the players, IT was crucified. He didn't deserve it.

Phil, OTOH, has had disappointing won/loss records but has dozens of positive accomplishments that have been listed repeatedly.

And I think most fans underestimate his smarts. for example, by investing in Noah, Phil ensures that Noah's positive influence is virtually guaranteed to be here. Noah's salary restricts the ability of the organization to once again deviate from the rebuild mode (cheaper, hungrier talent) to Starphuck (expensive - think I'll float downstream talent).

It's a plan way too complex for the MSM to understand so they attack him viciously. And Phil is so cool during these pressers. He diplomatically gives the media the finger and they hunger for more like Pavlov's dogs.

Lol yes it was a brilliant move to sign Noah for 18 million for his positive vibe for the team and to eat up so much cap space we are forced to rebuild. Melos contract and ntc are the same too, right? And he must be killing melos trade value so he can take more bad contract and ensure we stay in rebuild mode. This is sheer idiocy.

+1

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Gudris wrote:I support Phil 100%, all he said was valid, just media make it big deal

Phil is 100% correct that the players he brought in are lousy.

And that Melo would be better somewhere else

Yeah the players he brought here would be better off somewhere else. Jeez.

We're in a rebuild. If they care about winning yeah they should go somewhere else

they usually do a win

Grant-playoffs
THJ-playoffs
JR-playoffs
shump-playoffs
Lopez-playoffs

You see it's not what Phil says, it's how he says it, and when he says it that makes all the difference in the world,

What does that say about Melo? Those guys played with Melo no playoffs. They leave and playoffs. If Melo is your best player then it's on him because other players team seem to integrate former Knicks and win. Some just teams have a lot more talent also but it's not what the Knicks of Phil was given.

Those guys were part of the resistance, and every roster he has ever assemble, 65% of the of it, is resisting the triangle.

Phil will get rid of anybody resisting like he's some kind of dictator..He keeps blaming the roster he put together, without just coming out and saying "I Keep putting together BS rosters, and forcing my will on my coaching staff and players, and for that, there's dysfunction and confusion, because players don't want to play like i had my teams back in the 90's.

Oh come on these guys were resisting Woody the year after 54 wins.

The only person that had some issues was Tyson, because he got tired of the switching defense. No one but the NYK are crumbling over a system that the president is forcing. Why is that?

nykshaknbake wrote:

fwk00 wrote:I was okay with It tried to do with his trades. Where I parted ways with IT was his power struggle with Larry Brown.

It had nothing to work with. He was saddled with a largely worthless roster that over time he attempted to strengthen by making very high risk moves (eg High risk/High reward). The risks unfortunately did not pan out. But his thinking and speculation was spot on.

Because of the disappointing results and the moronic behavior of some of the players, IT was crucified. He didn't deserve it.

Phil, OTOH, has had disappointing won/loss records but has dozens of positive accomplishments that have been listed repeatedly.

And I think most fans underestimate his smarts. for example, by investing in Noah, Phil ensures that Noah's positive influence is virtually guaranteed to be here. Noah's salary restricts the ability of the organization to once again deviate from the rebuild mode (cheaper, hungrier talent) to Starphuck (expensive - think I'll float downstream talent).

It's a plan way too complex for the MSM to understand so they attack him viciously. And Phil is so cool during these pressers. He diplomatically gives the media the finger and they hunger for more like Pavlov's dogs.

Lol yes it was a brilliant move to sign Noah for 18 million for his positive vibe for the team and to eat up so much cap space we are forced to rebuild. Melos contract and ntc are the same too, right? And he must be killing melos trade value so he can take more bad contract and ensure we stay in rebuild mode. This is sheer idiocy.

Times a million, and you have morons singing his praises.

buddapaw wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

fwk00 wrote:I was okay with It tried to do with his trades. Where I parted ways with IT was his power struggle with Larry Brown.

It had nothing to work with. He was saddled with a largely worthless roster that over time he attempted to strengthen by making very high risk moves (eg High risk/High reward). The risks unfortunately did not pan out. But his thinking and speculation was spot on.

Because of the disappointing results and the moronic behavior of some of the players, IT was crucified. He didn't deserve it.

Phil, OTOH, has had disappointing won/loss records but has dozens of positive accomplishments that have been listed repeatedly.

And I think most fans underestimate his smarts. for example, by investing in Noah, Phil ensures that Noah's positive influence is virtually guaranteed to be here. Noah's salary restricts the ability of the organization to once again deviate from the rebuild mode (cheaper, hungrier talent) to Starphuck (expensive - think I'll float downstream talent).

It's a plan way too complex for the MSM to understand so they attack him viciously. And Phil is so cool during these pressers. He diplomatically gives the media the finger and they hunger for more like Pavlov's dogs.

Lol yes it was a brilliant move to sign Noah for 18 million for his positive vibe for the team and to eat up so much cap space we are forced to rebuild. Melos contract and ntc are the same too, right? And he must be killing melos trade value so he can take more bad contract and ensure we stay in rebuild mode. This is sheer idiocy.

Times a million, and you have morons singing his praises.

I think its moronic to be mad at Phil for not wanting to appease Melo and then using an example of a bad move he made to make Melo happy as to why he is bad at his Job.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/18/carmelo-ant...

Noah isn't why we have to rebuild, we will have Max money this offseason regardless.

Melo isn't why we need to rebuild either, we haven't been to the playoffs with him in 4 years regardless.

The reason to move Melo is Phil is trying to get something for him to try and make the rebuild happen quicker by obtaining more assets now while KP is young. Its what Ainge did when he traded Pierce and KG for those Nyets picks. Now look at Boston a number 1 seed with a great chance to draft a number 1 pick. I bet all those Boston fans are now happy Ainge traded their aging superstars (that actually won a Chip with Boston) to Brooklyn when they had a chance. I also bet a bunch of them were pissed too, but they understood that a rebuild was needed if they ever wanted to be legit contenders.

wargames wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

fwk00 wrote:I was okay with It tried to do with his trades. Where I parted ways with IT was his power struggle with Larry Brown.

It had nothing to work with. He was saddled with a largely worthless roster that over time he attempted to strengthen by making very high risk moves (eg High risk/High reward). The risks unfortunately did not pan out. But his thinking and speculation was spot on.

Because of the disappointing results and the moronic behavior of some of the players, IT was crucified. He didn't deserve it.

Phil, OTOH, has had disappointing won/loss records but has dozens of positive accomplishments that have been listed repeatedly.

And I think most fans underestimate his smarts. for example, by investing in Noah, Phil ensures that Noah's positive influence is virtually guaranteed to be here. Noah's salary restricts the ability of the organization to once again deviate from the rebuild mode (cheaper, hungrier talent) to Starphuck (expensive - think I'll float downstream talent).

It's a plan way too complex for the MSM to understand so they attack him viciously. And Phil is so cool during these pressers. He diplomatically gives the media the finger and they hunger for more like Pavlov's dogs.

Lol yes it was a brilliant move to sign Noah for 18 million for his positive vibe for the team and to eat up so much cap space we are forced to rebuild. Melos contract and ntc are the same too, right? And he must be killing melos trade value so he can take more bad contract and ensure we stay in rebuild mode. This is sheer idiocy.

Times a million, and you have morons singing his praises.

I think its moronic to be mad at Phil for not wanting to appease Melo and then using an example of a bad move he made to make Melo happy as to why he is bad at his Job.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/18/carmelo-ant...

Noah isn't why we have to rebuild, we will have Max money this offseason regardless.

Melo isn't why we need to rebuild either, we haven't been to the playoffs with him in 4 years regardless.

The reason to move Melo is Phil is trying to get something for him to try and make the rebuild happen quicker by obtaining more assets now while KP is young. Its what Ainge did when he traded Pierce and KG for those Nyets picks. Now look at Boston a number 1 seed with a great chance to draft a number 1 pick. I bet all those Boston fans are now happy Ainge traded their aging superstars (that actually won a Chip with Boston) to Brooklyn when they had a chance. I also bet a bunch of them were pissed too, but they understood that a rebuild was needed if they ever wanted to be legit contenders.

Excellent post, you are positively on point. The Knicks are not going to win with Melo and it's best to get as much in return as possible.

wargames wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

fwk00 wrote:I was okay with It tried to do with his trades. Where I parted ways with IT was his power struggle with Larry Brown.

It had nothing to work with. He was saddled with a largely worthless roster that over time he attempted to strengthen by making very high risk moves (eg High risk/High reward). The risks unfortunately did not pan out. But his thinking and speculation was spot on.

Because of the disappointing results and the moronic behavior of some of the players, IT was crucified. He didn't deserve it.

Phil, OTOH, has had disappointing won/loss records but has dozens of positive accomplishments that have been listed repeatedly.

And I think most fans underestimate his smarts. for example, by investing in Noah, Phil ensures that Noah's positive influence is virtually guaranteed to be here. Noah's salary restricts the ability of the organization to once again deviate from the rebuild mode (cheaper, hungrier talent) to Starphuck (expensive - think I'll float downstream talent).

It's a plan way too complex for the MSM to understand so they attack him viciously. And Phil is so cool during these pressers. He diplomatically gives the media the finger and they hunger for more like Pavlov's dogs.

Lol yes it was a brilliant move to sign Noah for 18 million for his positive vibe for the team and to eat up so much cap space we are forced to rebuild. Melos contract and ntc are the same too, right? And he must be killing melos trade value so he can take more bad contract and ensure we stay in rebuild mode. This is sheer idiocy.

Times a million, and you have morons singing his praises.

I think its moronic to be mad at Phil for not wanting to appease Melo and then using an example of a bad move he made to make Melo happy as to why he is bad at his Job.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/18/carmelo-ant...

Noah isn't why we have to rebuild, we will have Max money this offseason regardless.

Melo isn't why we need to rebuild either, we haven't been to the playoffs with him in 4 years regardless.

The reason to move Melo is Phil is trying to get something for him to try and make the rebuild happen quicker by obtaining more assets now while KP is young. Its what Ainge did when he traded Pierce and KG for those Nyets picks. Now look at Boston a number 1 seed with a great chance to draft a number 1 pick. I bet all those Boston fans are now happy Ainge traded their aging superstars (that actually won a Chip with Boston) to Brooklyn when they had a chance. I also bet a bunch of them were pissed too, but they understood that a rebuild was needed if they ever wanted to be legit contenders.

Appease Melo? Phil and Noah are simpatico. Remember Noah showed up at Phil's place and they hung out. Phil sees Noah as a triangle center. Phil never tried to build around Melo. That is one of the reasons resigning him was such a stupid move. Twelve years in the league and Phil didn't know who Melo was as a player? On top of that the terms of the contract that he gave out are ridiculous.

CrushAlot wrote:

wargames wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

fwk00 wrote:I was okay with It tried to do with his trades. Where I parted ways with IT was his power struggle with Larry Brown.

It had nothing to work with. He was saddled with a largely worthless roster that over time he attempted to strengthen by making very high risk moves (eg High risk/High reward). The risks unfortunately did not pan out. But his thinking and speculation was spot on.

Because of the disappointing results and the moronic behavior of some of the players, IT was crucified. He didn't deserve it.

Phil, OTOH, has had disappointing won/loss records but has dozens of positive accomplishments that have been listed repeatedly.

And I think most fans underestimate his smarts. for example, by investing in Noah, Phil ensures that Noah's positive influence is virtually guaranteed to be here. Noah's salary restricts the ability of the organization to once again deviate from the rebuild mode (cheaper, hungrier talent) to Starphuck (expensive - think I'll float downstream talent).

It's a plan way too complex for the MSM to understand so they attack him viciously. And Phil is so cool during these pressers. He diplomatically gives the media the finger and they hunger for more like Pavlov's dogs.

Lol yes it was a brilliant move to sign Noah for 18 million for his positive vibe for the team and to eat up so much cap space we are forced to rebuild. Melos contract and ntc are the same too, right? And he must be killing melos trade value so he can take more bad contract and ensure we stay in rebuild mode. This is sheer idiocy.

Times a million, and you have morons singing his praises.

I think its moronic to be mad at Phil for not wanting to appease Melo and then using an example of a bad move he made to make Melo happy as to why he is bad at his Job.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/18/carmelo-ant...

Noah isn't why we have to rebuild, we will have Max money this offseason regardless.

Melo isn't why we need to rebuild either, we haven't been to the playoffs with him in 4 years regardless.

The reason to move Melo is Phil is trying to get something for him to try and make the rebuild happen quicker by obtaining more assets now while KP is young. Its what Ainge did when he traded Pierce and KG for those Nyets picks. Now look at Boston a number 1 seed with a great chance to draft a number 1 pick. I bet all those Boston fans are now happy Ainge traded their aging superstars (that actually won a Chip with Boston) to Brooklyn when they had a chance. I also bet a bunch of them were pissed too, but they understood that a rebuild was needed if they ever wanted to be legit contenders.

Appease Melo? Phil and Noah are simpatico. Remember Noah showed up at Phil's place and they hung out. Phil sees Noah as a triangle center. Phil never tried to build around Melo. That is one of the reasons resigning him was such a stupid move. Twelve years in the league and Phil didn't know who Melo was as a player? On top of that the terms of the contract that he gave out are ridiculous.

Crush man you're killin me! At a certain point it's just not worth it. Melo resigned here also knowing who and what Phil was about and what he wanted from Melo. Can we PLEASE for the love of Bob stop excuses for the F'n star of the team who didn't do everything on his part to make the most of his opportunities here and to BE THE MAN he was paid to be? Even tho Phil and all his coaches have been telling him what he needs to do.

It's always everyone else's fault but Melo. This team could've really used a leader and Melo had the opportunity to be that leader and he screwed the pooch. Nah Melo's just happy to cash the checks and Jab Step all night to the music.

Don't you want a player that goes hard and demands everyone else does the same? Melo's just a bit too happy to just keep the status quo. Then if you try to make demands of him he acts like a spoiled brat. I'm just done having this guy representing the Knicks.

CrushAlot wrote:

wargames wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

fwk00 wrote:I was okay with It tried to do with his trades. Where I parted ways with IT was his power struggle with Larry Brown.

It had nothing to work with. He was saddled with a largely worthless roster that over time he attempted to strengthen by making very high risk moves (eg High risk/High reward). The risks unfortunately did not pan out. But his thinking and speculation was spot on.

Because of the disappointing results and the moronic behavior of some of the players, IT was crucified. He didn't deserve it.

Phil, OTOH, has had disappointing won/loss records but has dozens of positive accomplishments that have been listed repeatedly.

And I think most fans underestimate his smarts. for example, by investing in Noah, Phil ensures that Noah's positive influence is virtually guaranteed to be here. Noah's salary restricts the ability of the organization to once again deviate from the rebuild mode (cheaper, hungrier talent) to Starphuck (expensive - think I'll float downstream talent).

It's a plan way too complex for the MSM to understand so they attack him viciously. And Phil is so cool during these pressers. He diplomatically gives the media the finger and they hunger for more like Pavlov's dogs.

Lol yes it was a brilliant move to sign Noah for 18 million for his positive vibe for the team and to eat up so much cap space we are forced to rebuild. Melos contract and ntc are the same too, right? And he must be killing melos trade value so he can take more bad contract and ensure we stay in rebuild mode. This is sheer idiocy.

Times a million, and you have morons singing his praises.

I think its moronic to be mad at Phil for not wanting to appease Melo and then using an example of a bad move he made to make Melo happy as to why he is bad at his Job.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/18/carmelo-ant...

Noah isn't why we have to rebuild, we will have Max money this offseason regardless.

Melo isn't why we need to rebuild either, we haven't been to the playoffs with him in 4 years regardless.

The reason to move Melo is Phil is trying to get something for him to try and make the rebuild happen quicker by obtaining more assets now while KP is young. Its what Ainge did when he traded Pierce and KG for those Nyets picks. Now look at Boston a number 1 seed with a great chance to draft a number 1 pick. I bet all those Boston fans are now happy Ainge traded their aging superstars (that actually won a Chip with Boston) to Brooklyn when they had a chance. I also bet a bunch of them were pissed too, but they understood that a rebuild was needed if they ever wanted to be legit contenders.

Appease Melo? Phil and Noah are simpatico. Remember Noah showed up at Phil's place and they hung out. Phil sees Noah as a triangle center. Phil never tried to build around Melo. That is one of the reasons resigning him was such a stupid move. Twelve years in the league and Phil didn't know who Melo was as a player? On top of that the terms of the contract that he gave out are ridiculous.

Do you know how many bad contrscts got given out because the cap went up?

Mozgov, Deng, Chandler Parsons (even more injury prone that Noah), Tyler Johnson, Portland has two of them in Crabbe and Turner, and Wesly Matthews are all on par with Noah. I am not saying that Noah is a good contract. Its obvious he is bad, but a lot of teams gave out bad contracts due to the cap rising. Signing a bad contract is actually not that rare, and unlike some of those teams he paired it with Rose which means we have max contract money available this summer.

And the if you read the link I put up it specifically mentions Phil saying he brought them here to help Melo to win and Melo saying thank you for bringing them here for us to try and win. I could probably go through the presser where he specifically said it to timecode it but it wouldn't change the reality that trying to appease Melo and his open window is led to where we are now.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

wargames wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

fwk00 wrote:I was okay with It tried to do with his trades. Where I parted ways with IT was his power struggle with Larry Brown.

It had nothing to work with. He was saddled with a largely worthless roster that over time he attempted to strengthen by making very high risk moves (eg High risk/High reward). The risks unfortunately did not pan out. But his thinking and speculation was spot on.

Because of the disappointing results and the moronic behavior of some of the players, IT was crucified. He didn't deserve it.

Phil, OTOH, has had disappointing won/loss records but has dozens of positive accomplishments that have been listed repeatedly.

And I think most fans underestimate his smarts. for example, by investing in Noah, Phil ensures that Noah's positive influence is virtually guaranteed to be here. Noah's salary restricts the ability of the organization to once again deviate from the rebuild mode (cheaper, hungrier talent) to Starphuck (expensive - think I'll float downstream talent).

It's a plan way too complex for the MSM to understand so they attack him viciously. And Phil is so cool during these pressers. He diplomatically gives the media the finger and they hunger for more like Pavlov's dogs.

Lol yes it was a brilliant move to sign Noah for 18 million for his positive vibe for the team and to eat up so much cap space we are forced to rebuild. Melos contract and ntc are the same too, right? And he must be killing melos trade value so he can take more bad contract and ensure we stay in rebuild mode. This is sheer idiocy.

Times a million, and you have morons singing his praises.

I think its moronic to be mad at Phil for not wanting to appease Melo and then using an example of a bad move he made to make Melo happy as to why he is bad at his Job.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/18/carmelo-ant...

Noah isn't why we have to rebuild, we will have Max money this offseason regardless.

Melo isn't why we need to rebuild either, we haven't been to the playoffs with him in 4 years regardless.

The reason to move Melo is Phil is trying to get something for him to try and make the rebuild happen quicker by obtaining more assets now while KP is young. Its what Ainge did when he traded Pierce and KG for those Nyets picks. Now look at Boston a number 1 seed with a great chance to draft a number 1 pick. I bet all those Boston fans are now happy Ainge traded their aging superstars (that actually won a Chip with Boston) to Brooklyn when they had a chance. I also bet a bunch of them were pissed too, but they understood that a rebuild was needed if they ever wanted to be legit contenders.

Appease Melo? Phil and Noah are simpatico. Remember Noah showed up at Phil's place and they hung out. Phil sees Noah as a triangle center. Phil never tried to build around Melo. That is one of the reasons resigning him was such a stupid move. Twelve years in the league and Phil didn't know who Melo was as a player? On top of that the terms of the contract that he gave out are ridiculous.

Crush man you're killin me! At a certain point it's just not worth it. Melo resigned here also knowing who and what Phil was about and what he wanted from Melo. Can we PLEASE for the love of Bob stop excuses for the F'n star of the team who didn't do everything on his part to make the most of his opportunities here and to BE THE MAN he was paid to be? Even tho Phil and all his coaches have been telling him what he needs to do.

It's always everyone else's fault but Melo. This team could've really used a leader and Melo had the opportunity to be that leader and he screwed the pooch. Nah Melo's just happy to cash the checks and Jab Step all night to the music.

Don't you want a player that goes hard and demands everyone else does the same? Melo's just a bit too happy to just keep the status quo. Then if you try to make demands of him he acts like a spoiled brat. I'm just done having this guy representing the Knicks.

Why didn't anybody on the bench shoot over 42%,
why we had a bench without one double digit scorer,
where was lance thomas for over half the season,
why didnt lee shoot more after being told to,
why doesnt rose shoot 3's,
why is KOQ so inconsistent,
why is Holiday so inconsistent,
why can't willy guard perimeter players
why are we still running the triangle despite running through over 60 players since phil got here
why do we have a young coach instead of an experience coach
why do we change the entire roster every year
why does phil keep making suspect trades for players that don't fit

The list can go on for at least 10 more, but you think if melo pass the ball quicker, or is gone all together, all our other issue would just disappear.

Majority of THE TEAM is rebelling against the triangle and phil told the world his only asset is not wanted, by far the worst negotiation tactic in the history of the franchise, and probably the league.

Phil may of let him walk had they owned there own draft picks. Very little upside in letting him walk because of that. You basically are playing so other teams get better. I had no issue resigning him, the no trade clause that was a problem. I would of stood firm on the no trade clause if he left so be it. I dont think anyone else would of gave him the no trade clause

Vmart wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Gudris wrote:I support Phil 100%, all he said was valid, just media make it big deal

Phil is 100% correct that the players he brought in are lousy.

And that Melo would be better somewhere else

Yeah the players he brought here would be better off somewhere else. Jeez.

We're in a rebuild. If they care about winning yeah they should go somewhere else

they usually do a win

Grant-playoffs
THJ-playoffs
JR-playoffs
shump-playoffs
Lopez-playoffs

You see it's not what Phil says, it's how he says it, and when he says it that makes all the difference in the world,

What does that say about Melo? Those guys played with Melo no playoffs. They leave and playoffs. If Melo is your best player then it's on him because other players team seem to integrate former Knicks and win. Some just teams have a lot more talent also but it's not what the Knicks of Phil was given.

Correction...What does this say about this franchise?! Melo was a constant playoff participant until he joined this dysfunctional franchise. Grant and Lopez are playing with Wade (3x champ) and Rondo (1x champ) and a franchise that is always a playoff participant, JR and Shump are playing with Lebron and THJ is playing for a franchise that has been to 10 straight playoffs...

Wait let's correct this Melo made the playoffs with the Knicks. Let's be fair to him. The thing is you want to make the playoffs you can make the playoffs. Any team can make the playoffs and disappear the next year. What the Knicks need is sustained winning and for that we need better talent then Melo who is aging and the Knicks need a youth movement.

Melo can win but you need a A1 supreme talent to make it a go. Melo get paid like a supreme talent which I blame Phil for by the way. I was in favor of Letting Melo walk. That ship has sailed. But for the sake of the future must get back talent in form of picks and young players for Melo which helps the future. Keeping Melo around doesn't do anything for the near future we aren't going to win and that is a given.

Knicks1248.......Riiiiight!!!!!

Consider that the 2005-06 knicks Payroll is within a millon dollars to the Cavs. THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!
That's messed up.

Phil has matched this?

Isiah's third year: 23 wins.
we draft Frye and Dlee.

2005-06
Team Payrolls
Team Payroll
1. New York Knicks $126,610,272
2. Dallas Mavericks $97,881,086
3. Philadelphia 76ers $84,690,863
4. Indiana Pacers $78,681,968
5. Orlando Magic $75,365,655
6. Los Angeles Lakers $72,866,195
7. Houston Rockets $69,208,809
8. Memphis Grizzlies $67,518,596
9. New Jersey Nets $66,030,223
10. San Antonio Spurs $63,034,710
11. Sacramento Kings $62,811,975
12. Milwaukee Bucks $62,563,359
13. Toronto Raptors $62,123,201
14. Minnesota Timberwolves $61,649,061
15. Miami Heat $59,997,698
16. Portland Trailblazers $59,966,214
17. Detroit Pistons $59,619,275
18. Utah Jazz $57,407,402
19. Chicago Bulls $57,166,530
20. Golden State Warriors $57,115,566
21. Boston Celtics $56,907,300
22. Denver Nuggets $55,956,608
23. Washington Wizards $54,555,947
24. Phoenix Suns $53,626,924
25. Los Angeles Clippers $50,931,212
26. Cleveland Cavaliers $50,836,871
27. Seattle Sonics $48,900,280
28. Atlanta Hawks $42,944,553
29. New Orleans Hornets $41,277,617
30. Charlotte Bobcats $33,458,932

06-07 Year 4..... No picks, Aldridge is used form our pick. 2nd overall pick. Bad year in the draft for most teams!! We draft Balkman at 20, and Mardy at 29.

33 wins......

League salaries:
Team Payrolls
Team Payroll
1. New York Knicks $117,024,192
2. Dallas Mavericks $88,531,846
3. Los Angeles Lakers $77,099,949
4. Portland Trailblazers $75,026,386
5. Philadelphia 76ers $69,140,163
6. Minnesota Timberwolves $66,788,931
7. Phoenix Suns $65,399,240
8. Denver Nuggets $65,370,484
9. San Antonio Spurs $65,327,646
10. Golden State Warriors $64,985,588
11. New Jersey Nets $64,372,808
12. Sacramento Kings $63,975,244
13. Houston Rockets $63,837,566
14. Miami Heat $63,786,777
15. Milwaukee Bucks $63,498,518
16. Indiana Pacers $63,118,965
17. Cleveland Cavaliers $62,992,729
18. Washington Wizards $62,733,705
19. Boston Celtics $62,622,805
20. Utah Jazz $61,930,567
21. Memphis Grizzlies $61,773,025
22. Orlando Magic $61,013,311
23. Los Angeles Clippers $59,057,690
24. Detroit Pistons $58,767,602
25. Seattle Sonics $56,931,964
26. Chicago Bulls $54,754,904
27. New Orleans Hornets $53,711,107
28. Toronto Raptors $50,581,694
29. Atlanta Hawks $48,456,234
30. Charlotte Bobcats $41,689,161

Isiah's fifth Season: Knicks won 23 games.
Joakim Noah is picked by Bulls with our pick swapped, we get Wilson Chandler.

Team Payrolls
Team Payroll
1. Dallas Mavericks $101,021,688
2. New York Knicks $96,190,114
3. Denver Nuggets $82,581,955
4. Cleveland Cavaliers $81,137,583
5. Miami Heat $74,640,045
6. Boston Celtics $74,060,475
7. Philadelphia 76ers $74,038,229
8. Portland Trailblazers $73,241,335
9. Los Angeles Lakers $72,611,724
10. Phoenix Suns $70,702,565
11. San Antonio Spurs $69,839,187
12. Houston Rockets $69,445,134
13. Minnesota Timberwolves $69,043,895
14. Indiana Pacers $66,175,899
15. Detroit Pistons $65,898,875
16. Toronto Raptors $65,593,395
17. Washington Wizards $65,241,923
18. Utah Jazz $64,959,089
19. Los Angeles Clippers $64,577,243
20. Sacramento Kings $63,325,268
21. Chicago Bulls $63,084,166
22. New Orleans Hornets $62,346,671
23. Milwaukee Bucks $62,252,766
24. New Jersey Nets $61,366,182
25. Golden State Warriors $61,019,997
26. Seattle Sonics $60,861,388
27. Orlando Magic $58,107,045
28. Atlanta Hawks $55,501,133
29. Memphis Grizzlies $54,062,867
30. Charlotte Bobcats $52,684,792

2015-16
Team Payrolls
Team Payroll
1. Cleveland Cavaliers ... $107,018,938
2. Los Angeles Clippers ... $96,742,385
3. Golden State Warriors .. $95,290,751
4. Oklahoma City Thunder .. $93,761,012
5. Houston Rockets ........ $88,606,403
6. Brooklyn Nets .......... $88,273,219
7. Chicago Bulls .......... $86,783,378
8. San Antonio Spurs ...... $86,323,139
9. Detroit Pistons ........ $85,963,779
10. Miami Heat ............. $84,598,296
11. Washington Wizards ..... $84,289,365
12. Memphis Grizzlies ...... $82,607,613
13. New Orleans Pelicans ... $80,853,172
14. Charlotte Hornets ...... $78,442,935
15. Boston Celtics ......... $77,139,134
16. New York Knicks ........ $73,749,672
17. Milwaukee Bucks ........ $73,697,225
18. Dallas Mavericks ....... $73,294,689
19. Atlanta Hawks .......... $72,902,950
20. Minnesota Timberwolves . $72,813,691
21. Indiana Pacers ......... $72,347,474
22. Toronto Raptors ........ $72,060,733
23. Los Angeles Lakers ..... $71,792,245
24. Denver Nuggets ......... $71,753,577
25. Sacramento Kings ....... $71,683,666
26. Phoenix Suns ........... $69,610,335
27. Utah Jazz .............. $64,058,073
28. Orlando Magic .......... $63,165,947
29. Philadelphia 76ers ..... $63,049,892
30. Portland Trailblazers .. $62,488,858

2016-17

1 Cleveland Cavaliers $127,243,667
2 Los Angeles Clippers $116,237,542
3 Portland Trail Blazers $112,416,239
4 Memphis Grizzlies $111,045,893
5 Detroit Pistons 108,967,919
6 Toronto Raptors $108,664,969
7 San Antonio Spurs $108,640,621
8 Orlando Magic $104,110,336
9 Dallas Mavericks $104,042,028
10 New York Knicks $103,595,894
11 Charlotte Hornets $102,675,926
12 Washington Wizards $102,334,382
13 Miami Heat $101,818,405
14 Golden State Warriors $101,725,589
15 New Orleans Pelicans $101,707,386
16 Atlanta Hawks $96,294,035
17 Sacramento Kings $96,043,092
18 Los Angeles Lakers $95,226,183
19 Milwaukee Bucks $94,012,121
20 Indiana Pacers $94,008,504
21 Boston Celtics $93,465,328
22 Chicago Bulls $92,571,387
23 Oklahoma City Thunder $91,339,949
24 Houston Rockets $90,996,769
25 Philadelphia 76ers $85,763,788
26 Phoenix Suns $85,115,778
27 Brooklyn Nets $84,083,139
28 Denver Nuggets $82,573,997
29 Minnesota Timberwolves $81,621,379
30 Utah Jazz $80,598,193

We own all our picks going forward, we have $22mil in free agent money. Isiah, we were Phucked both ways. No picks, no money to spend.

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1248.......Riiiiight!!!!!

Consider that the 2005-06 knicks Payroll is within a millon dollars to the Cavs. THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!
That's messed up.

Phil has matched this?

Isiah's third year: 23 wins.
we draft Frye and Dlee.

2005-06
Team Payrolls
Team Payroll
1. New York Knicks $126,610,272
2. Dallas Mavericks $97,881,086
3. Philadelphia 76ers $84,690,863
4. Indiana Pacers $78,681,968
5. Orlando Magic $75,365,655
6. Los Angeles Lakers $72,866,195
7. Houston Rockets $69,208,809
8. Memphis Grizzlies $67,518,596
9. New Jersey Nets $66,030,223
10. San Antonio Spurs $63,034,710
11. Sacramento Kings $62,811,975
12. Milwaukee Bucks $62,563,359
13. Toronto Raptors $62,123,201
14. Minnesota Timberwolves $61,649,061
15. Miami Heat $59,997,698
16. Portland Trailblazers $59,966,214
17. Detroit Pistons $59,619,275
18. Utah Jazz $57,407,402
19. Chicago Bulls $57,166,530
20. Golden State Warriors $57,115,566
21. Boston Celtics $56,907,300
22. Denver Nuggets $55,956,608
23. Washington Wizards $54,555,947
24. Phoenix Suns $53,626,924
25. Los Angeles Clippers $50,931,212
26. Cleveland Cavaliers $50,836,871
27. Seattle Sonics $48,900,280
28. Atlanta Hawks $42,944,553
29. New Orleans Hornets $41,277,617
30. Charlotte Bobcats $33,458,932

06-07 Year 4..... No picks, Aldridge is used form our pick. 2nd overall pick. Bad year in the draft for most teams!! We draft Balkman at 20, and Mardy at 29.

33 wins......

League salaries:
Team Payrolls
Team Payroll
1. New York Knicks $117,024,192
2. Dallas Mavericks $88,531,846
3. Los Angeles Lakers $77,099,949
4. Portland Trailblazers $75,026,386
5. Philadelphia 76ers $69,140,163
6. Minnesota Timberwolves $66,788,931
7. Phoenix Suns $65,399,240
8. Denver Nuggets $65,370,484
9. San Antonio Spurs $65,327,646
10. Golden State Warriors $64,985,588
11. New Jersey Nets $64,372,808
12. Sacramento Kings $63,975,244
13. Houston Rockets $63,837,566
14. Miami Heat $63,786,777
15. Milwaukee Bucks $63,498,518
16. Indiana Pacers $63,118,965
17. Cleveland Cavaliers $62,992,729
18. Washington Wizards $62,733,705
19. Boston Celtics $62,622,805
20. Utah Jazz $61,930,567
21. Memphis Grizzlies $61,773,025
22. Orlando Magic $61,013,311
23. Los Angeles Clippers $59,057,690
24. Detroit Pistons $58,767,602
25. Seattle Sonics $56,931,964
26. Chicago Bulls $54,754,904
27. New Orleans Hornets $53,711,107
28. Toronto Raptors $50,581,694
29. Atlanta Hawks $48,456,234
30. Charlotte Bobcats $41,689,161

Isiah's fifth Season: Knicks won 23 games.
Joakim Noah is picked by Bulls with our pick swapped, we get Wilson Chandler.

Team Payrolls
Team Payroll
1. Dallas Mavericks $101,021,688
2. New York Knicks $96,190,114
3. Denver Nuggets $82,581,955
4. Cleveland Cavaliers $81,137,583
5. Miami Heat $74,640,045
6. Boston Celtics $74,060,475
7. Philadelphia 76ers $74,038,229
8. Portland Trailblazers $73,241,335
9. Los Angeles Lakers $72,611,724
10. Phoenix Suns $70,702,565
11. San Antonio Spurs $69,839,187
12. Houston Rockets $69,445,134
13. Minnesota Timberwolves $69,043,895
14. Indiana Pacers $66,175,899
15. Detroit Pistons $65,898,875
16. Toronto Raptors $65,593,395
17. Washington Wizards $65,241,923
18. Utah Jazz $64,959,089
19. Los Angeles Clippers $64,577,243
20. Sacramento Kings $63,325,268
21. Chicago Bulls $63,084,166
22. New Orleans Hornets $62,346,671
23. Milwaukee Bucks $62,252,766
24. New Jersey Nets $61,366,182
25. Golden State Warriors $61,019,997
26. Seattle Sonics $60,861,388
27. Orlando Magic $58,107,045
28. Atlanta Hawks $55,501,133
29. Memphis Grizzlies $54,062,867
30. Charlotte Bobcats $52,684,792

2015-16
Team Payrolls
Team Payroll
1. Cleveland Cavaliers ... $107,018,938
2. Los Angeles Clippers ... $96,742,385
3. Golden State Warriors .. $95,290,751
4. Oklahoma City Thunder .. $93,761,012
5. Houston Rockets ........ $88,606,403
6. Brooklyn Nets .......... $88,273,219
7. Chicago Bulls .......... $86,783,378
8. San Antonio Spurs ...... $86,323,139
9. Detroit Pistons ........ $85,963,779
10. Miami Heat ............. $84,598,296
11. Washington Wizards ..... $84,289,365
12. Memphis Grizzlies ...... $82,607,613
13. New Orleans Pelicans ... $80,853,172
14. Charlotte Hornets ...... $78,442,935
15. Boston Celtics ......... $77,139,134
16. New York Knicks ........ $73,749,672
17. Milwaukee Bucks ........ $73,697,225
18. Dallas Mavericks ....... $73,294,689
19. Atlanta Hawks .......... $72,902,950
20. Minnesota Timberwolves . $72,813,691
21. Indiana Pacers ......... $72,347,474
22. Toronto Raptors ........ $72,060,733
23. Los Angeles Lakers ..... $71,792,245
24. Denver Nuggets ......... $71,753,577
25. Sacramento Kings ....... $71,683,666
26. Phoenix Suns ........... $69,610,335
27. Utah Jazz .............. $64,058,073
28. Orlando Magic .......... $63,165,947
29. Philadelphia 76ers ..... $63,049,892
30. Portland Trailblazers .. $62,488,858

2016-17

1 Cleveland Cavaliers $127,243,667
2 Los Angeles Clippers $116,237,542
3 Portland Trail Blazers $112,416,239
4 Memphis Grizzlies $111,045,893
5 Detroit Pistons 108,967,919
6 Toronto Raptors $108,664,969
7 San Antonio Spurs $108,640,621
8 Orlando Magic $104,110,336
9 Dallas Mavericks $104,042,028
10 New York Knicks $103,595,894
11 Charlotte Hornets $102,675,926
12 Washington Wizards $102,334,382
13 Miami Heat $101,818,405
14 Golden State Warriors $101,725,589
15 New Orleans Pelicans $101,707,386
16 Atlanta Hawks $96,294,035
17 Sacramento Kings $96,043,092
18 Los Angeles Lakers $95,226,183
19 Milwaukee Bucks $94,012,121
20 Indiana Pacers $94,008,504
21 Boston Celtics $93,465,328
22 Chicago Bulls $92,571,387
23 Oklahoma City Thunder $91,339,949
24 Houston Rockets $90,996,769
25 Philadelphia 76ers $85,763,788
26 Phoenix Suns $85,115,778
27 Brooklyn Nets $84,083,139
28 Denver Nuggets $82,573,997
29 Minnesota Timberwolves $81,621,379
30 Utah Jazz $80,598,193

We own all our picks going forward, we have $22mil in free agent money. Isiah, we were Phucked both ways. No picks, no money to spend.

Phil has been somewhere between underwhelming and bad... I had hoped for more but, hey, the previous regimes gave away picks and Phil is taking it on the chin for not having the benefit of those picks. He has proven to be a better talent evaluator than Isiah.

Isiah was at best abhorrent. Nalod's post was hard to read because his personnel decisions were so bad. But he didn't mention the Anucha Browne Saunders trial, or Nate and Malik fighting in showers, or Larry Brown's cash grab. Phil complaining about Melo is a whole hell of a lot less dysfunctional than Marbury telling an intern to get in the truck

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1248.......Riiiiight!!!!!

Consider that the 2005-06 knicks Payroll is within a millon dollars to the Cavs. THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!
That's messed up.

Phil has matched this?

Isiah's third year: 23 wins.
we draft Frye and Dlee.

2005-06
Team Payrolls
Team Payroll
1. New York Knicks $126,610,272
2. Dallas Mavericks $97,881,086
3. Philadelphia 76ers $84,690,863
4. Indiana Pacers $78,681,968
5. Orlando Magic $75,365,655
6. Los Angeles Lakers $72,866,195
7. Houston Rockets $69,208,809
8. Memphis Grizzlies $67,518,596
9. New Jersey Nets $66,030,223
10. San Antonio Spurs $63,034,710
11. Sacramento Kings $62,811,975
12. Milwaukee Bucks $62,563,359
13. Toronto Raptors $62,123,201
14. Minnesota Timberwolves $61,649,061
15. Miami Heat $59,997,698
16. Portland Trailblazers $59,966,214
17. Detroit Pistons $59,619,275
18. Utah Jazz $57,407,402
19. Chicago Bulls $57,166,530
20. Golden State Warriors $57,115,566
21. Boston Celtics $56,907,300
22. Denver Nuggets $55,956,608
23. Washington Wizards $54,555,947
24. Phoenix Suns $53,626,924
25. Los Angeles Clippers $50,931,212
26. Cleveland Cavaliers $50,836,871
27. Seattle Sonics $48,900,280
28. Atlanta Hawks $42,944,553
29. New Orleans Hornets $41,277,617
30. Charlotte Bobcats $33,458,932

06-07 Year 4..... No picks, Aldridge is used form our pick. 2nd overall pick. Bad year in the draft for most teams!! We draft Balkman at 20, and Mardy at 29.

33 wins......

League salaries:
Team Payrolls
Team Payroll
1. New York Knicks $117,024,192
2. Dallas Mavericks $88,531,846
3. Los Angeles Lakers $77,099,949
4. Portland Trailblazers $75,026,386
5. Philadelphia 76ers $69,140,163
6. Minnesota Timberwolves $66,788,931
7. Phoenix Suns $65,399,240
8. Denver Nuggets $65,370,484
9. San Antonio Spurs $65,327,646
10. Golden State Warriors $64,985,588
11. New Jersey Nets $64,372,808
12. Sacramento Kings $63,975,244
13. Houston Rockets $63,837,566
14. Miami Heat $63,786,777
15. Milwaukee Bucks $63,498,518
16. Indiana Pacers $63,118,965
17. Cleveland Cavaliers $62,992,729
18. Washington Wizards $62,733,705
19. Boston Celtics $62,622,805
20. Utah Jazz $61,930,567
21. Memphis Grizzlies $61,773,025
22. Orlando Magic $61,013,311
23. Los Angeles Clippers $59,057,690
24. Detroit Pistons $58,767,602
25. Seattle Sonics $56,931,964
26. Chicago Bulls $54,754,904
27. New Orleans Hornets $53,711,107
28. Toronto Raptors $50,581,694
29. Atlanta Hawks $48,456,234
30. Charlotte Bobcats $41,689,161

Isiah's fifth Season: Knicks won 23 games.
Joakim Noah is picked by Bulls with our pick swapped, we get Wilson Chandler.

Team Payrolls
Team Payroll
1. Dallas Mavericks $101,021,688
2. New York Knicks $96,190,114
3. Denver Nuggets $82,581,955
4. Cleveland Cavaliers $81,137,583
5. Miami Heat $74,640,045
6. Boston Celtics $74,060,475
7. Philadelphia 76ers $74,038,229
8. Portland Trailblazers $73,241,335
9. Los Angeles Lakers $72,611,724
10. Phoenix Suns $70,702,565
11. San Antonio Spurs $69,839,187
12. Houston Rockets $69,445,134
13. Minnesota Timberwolves $69,043,895
14. Indiana Pacers $66,175,899
15. Detroit Pistons $65,898,875
16. Toronto Raptors $65,593,395
17. Washington Wizards $65,241,923
18. Utah Jazz $64,959,089
19. Los Angeles Clippers $64,577,243
20. Sacramento Kings $63,325,268
21. Chicago Bulls $63,084,166
22. New Orleans Hornets $62,346,671
23. Milwaukee Bucks $62,252,766
24. New Jersey Nets $61,366,182
25. Golden State Warriors $61,019,997
26. Seattle Sonics $60,861,388
27. Orlando Magic $58,107,045
28. Atlanta Hawks $55,501,133
29. Memphis Grizzlies $54,062,867
30. Charlotte Bobcats $52,684,792

2015-16
Team Payrolls
Team Payroll
1. Cleveland Cavaliers ... $107,018,938
2. Los Angeles Clippers ... $96,742,385
3. Golden State Warriors .. $95,290,751
4. Oklahoma City Thunder .. $93,761,012
5. Houston Rockets ........ $88,606,403
6. Brooklyn Nets .......... $88,273,219
7. Chicago Bulls .......... $86,783,378
8. San Antonio Spurs ...... $86,323,139
9. Detroit Pistons ........ $85,963,779
10. Miami Heat ............. $84,598,296
11. Washington Wizards ..... $84,289,365
12. Memphis Grizzlies ...... $82,607,613
13. New Orleans Pelicans ... $80,853,172
14. Charlotte Hornets ...... $78,442,935
15. Boston Celtics ......... $77,139,134
16. New York Knicks ........ $73,749,672
17. Milwaukee Bucks ........ $73,697,225
18. Dallas Mavericks ....... $73,294,689
19. Atlanta Hawks .......... $72,902,950
20. Minnesota Timberwolves . $72,813,691
21. Indiana Pacers ......... $72,347,474
22. Toronto Raptors ........ $72,060,733
23. Los Angeles Lakers ..... $71,792,245
24. Denver Nuggets ......... $71,753,577
25. Sacramento Kings ....... $71,683,666
26. Phoenix Suns ........... $69,610,335
27. Utah Jazz .............. $64,058,073
28. Orlando Magic .......... $63,165,947
29. Philadelphia 76ers ..... $63,049,892
30. Portland Trailblazers .. $62,488,858

2016-17

1 Cleveland Cavaliers $127,243,667
2 Los Angeles Clippers $116,237,542
3 Portland Trail Blazers $112,416,239
4 Memphis Grizzlies $111,045,893
5 Detroit Pistons 108,967,919
6 Toronto Raptors $108,664,969
7 San Antonio Spurs $108,640,621
8 Orlando Magic $104,110,336
9 Dallas Mavericks $104,042,028
10 New York Knicks $103,595,894
11 Charlotte Hornets $102,675,926
12 Washington Wizards $102,334,382
13 Miami Heat $101,818,405
14 Golden State Warriors $101,725,589
15 New Orleans Pelicans $101,707,386
16 Atlanta Hawks $96,294,035
17 Sacramento Kings $96,043,092
18 Los Angeles Lakers $95,226,183
19 Milwaukee Bucks $94,012,121
20 Indiana Pacers $94,008,504
21 Boston Celtics $93,465,328
22 Chicago Bulls $92,571,387
23 Oklahoma City Thunder $91,339,949
24 Houston Rockets $90,996,769
25 Philadelphia 76ers $85,763,788
26 Phoenix Suns $85,115,778
27 Brooklyn Nets $84,083,139
28 Denver Nuggets $82,573,997
29 Minnesota Timberwolves $81,621,379
30 Utah Jazz $80,598,193

We own all our picks going forward, we have $22mil in free agent money. Isiah, we were Phucked both ways. No picks, no money to spend.

That what makes phil even dumber than thomas, because he's had Cap space and couple draft picks, and still has the 2nd most losses in the nba since he took over. Isaiah came into Laydens cap hell(howard eisly, shannon, allan houston) roster, and made lateral moves. Dlee and Frye are in their 10th season or more.

Phil mind as well not have any cap space at all, because he has done little to nothing with it

Phil has made some mistakes for sure. Most GM's do. He also has acquired several NBA players for very little.

Willy, Baker, Randle, Kuz. KOQ was a good signing. Holiday was a good acquisition in the Rose deal. Rose was a low risk move as long as he is NOT resigned, I have no issue with trying to give Melo pieces to win with. It didn't work and now Phil is saying, I am not doing that again.

IT compounded his mistakes and caused years of damage. The only guys you can say that happened with Phil is Melo and Noah. Noah has 3 more years on his contract. Maybe, just maybe he gets moved this summer too. I am sure PJax will consider it. Melo will be traded.

There is limited long term damage. Picks are owned not owed and cap space is available and more is in reach.

IMO, if you did not know any of the names, just the facts, he would probably get a C+, B- for his tenure so far. IMO. Isiah was a F.

That what makes phil even dumber than thomas, because he's had Cap space and couple draft picks, and still has the 2nd most losses in the nba since he took over. Isaiah came into Laydens cap hell(howard eisly, shannon, allan houston) roster, and made lateral moves. Dlee and Frye are in their 10th season or more.
Phil mind as well not have any cap space at all, because he has done little to nothing with it

No, what your seeing is severe leverage using cap and making the team worse!!! Look at Isiah's knicks record. Isiah never cleaned house, he took on bad contracts.
He traded Ariza for Francis for goodness sakes!!!! Nobody said Isiah was a bad drafter, it was his trades. Even when good (Frye and Fancis for Zbo), you forget that Zbo in Portland was a bone head and we got worse with him here. It was not until he paired with Gasol and matured did his game evolve. He was awful with knicks.
So don't do the "they still in the league"....Or that Shump and JR are champioinship core players. They play with Tristin Thompson, Kyrie, Love and the Lebron fella!!!!

Isiah was within a million dollars of Cav's cap THIS YEAR!!!

Has Phil done a good job? Well, not by his record. Did he have 3 no. picks? Nope, just one. Can't trade what you don't have.
You can say a lot of things about Phil, but your not looking at history. Your just wrapped up in making a point.
Read about Willis tenure, Sonny Werblin, Al Bianchi.........all not so great era's.
Knicks are a really bad franchise with a few good era's here and there, but largely not.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/28/sport...

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Phil has made some mistakes for sure. Most GM's do. He also has acquired several NBA players for very little.

Willy, Baker, Randle, Kuz. KOQ was a good signing. Holiday was a good acquisition in the Rose deal. Rose was a low risk move as long as he is NOT resigned, I have no issue with trying to give Melo pieces to win with. It didn't work and now Phil is saying, I am not doing that again.

IT compounded his mistakes and caused years of damage. The only guys you can say that happened with Phil is Melo and Noah. Noah has 3 more years on his contract. Maybe, just maybe he gets moved this summer too. I am sure PJax will consider it. Melo will be traded.

There is limited long term damage. Picks are owned not owed and cap space is available and more is in reach.

IMO, if you did not know any of the names, just the facts, he would probably get a C+, B- for his tenure so far. IMO. Isiah was a F.

It took walsh a yr 1/2 to unload Isaiah's BS contracts . The only major damage he caused was with the time he was running things, those 4 yrs were his tenure, dont act like he crippled the franchise for yrs upon yrs after he left/fired. Ever since then, we have had some cap space every other yr.

I know time flies, but it's been 10 yrs (3 GMs/presidents) since Isaiah and phil has lasted longer than all of them, and he is the only one without at least 1 playoff appearance, with 25 to 30 mill + a top 5 pick, in 2 straight off seasons..Wake up!!

knicks1248 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Phil has made some mistakes for sure. Most GM's do. He also has acquired several NBA players for very little.

Willy, Baker, Randle, Kuz. KOQ was a good signing. Holiday was a good acquisition in the Rose deal. Rose was a low risk move as long as he is NOT resigned, I have no issue with trying to give Melo pieces to win with. It didn't work and now Phil is saying, I am not doing that again.

IT compounded his mistakes and caused years of damage. The only guys you can say that happened with Phil is Melo and Noah. Noah has 3 more years on his contract. Maybe, just maybe he gets moved this summer too. I am sure PJax will consider it. Melo will be traded.

There is limited long term damage. Picks are owned not owed and cap space is available and more is in reach.

IMO, if you did not know any of the names, just the facts, he would probably get a C+, B- for his tenure so far. IMO. Isiah was a F.

It took walsh a yr 1/2 to unload Isaiah's BS contracts . The only major damage he caused was with the time he was running things, those 4 yrs were his tenure, dont act like he crippled the franchise for yrs upon yrs after he left/fired. Ever since then, we have had some cap space every other yr.

I know time flies, but it's been 10 yrs (3 GMs/presidents) since Isaiah and phil has lasted longer than all of them, and he is the only one without at least 1 playoff appearance, with 25 to 30 mill + a top 5 pick, in 2 straight off seasons..Wake up!!

Isiah leveraged the franchise to get players. He over paid either by trade or salary by taking contracts. THink of the contracts he took. Malik and Jaelen rose, Penny,.........Then when Walsh dumped Zbo, Craw and Lee, he got back little in return. This wall to make a run for Lebron. Then when Dolan got Melo, he wiped us out.

That in a nutshell is why this franchise was so pathetic and Nalod shocked when Phil took over. I could nto fathom him doing it. All we had was Melo, and he was opting out.

knicks1248 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Phil has made some mistakes for sure. Most GM's do. He also has acquired several NBA players for very little.

Willy, Baker, Randle, Kuz. KOQ was a good signing. Holiday was a good acquisition in the Rose deal. Rose was a low risk move as long as he is NOT resigned, I have no issue with trying to give Melo pieces to win with. It didn't work and now Phil is saying, I am not doing that again.

IT compounded his mistakes and caused years of damage. The only guys you can say that happened with Phil is Melo and Noah. Noah has 3 more years on his contract. Maybe, just maybe he gets moved this summer too. I am sure PJax will consider it. Melo will be traded.

There is limited long term damage. Picks are owned not owed and cap space is available and more is in reach.

IMO, if you did not know any of the names, just the facts, he would probably get a C+, B- for his tenure so far. IMO. Isiah was a F.

It took walsh a yr 1/2 to unload Isaiah's BS contracts . The only major damage he caused was with the time he was running things, those 4 yrs were his tenure, dont act like he crippled the franchise for yrs upon yrs after he left/fired. Ever since then, we have had some cap space every other yr.

I know time flies, but it's been 10 yrs (3 GMs/presidents) since Isaiah and phil has lasted longer than all of them, and he is the only one without at least 1 playoff appearance, with 25 to 30 mill + a top 5 pick, in 2 straight off seasons..Wake up!!

IT traded all the picks for Eddy Curry. Eddy Freakin Curry! Sorry, IT did more to ruin things than anyone else. Walsh did a great job in rebuilding UNTIL he traded for Melo. He was overruled so he quit. Grunwald got us Bargnani. Phil has cleaned it up except for Melo. One last piece to take out.

Phil asked Melo if he was going to stay last summer. Melo said yes. Phil tried to give him a team that would compete. Problem is Melo didn't show up. Rose went AWOL and Noah was hurt.

This year, Phil is not asking. The answer is we are rebuilding, with or without you. Be smart and so somewhere where you can go for a ring.

This is the 2nd year with a pick and with some money if he can move Melo. Not much space otherwise.