Knicks · Being a Knick fan isn't easy (page 1)

I'm pushing 40... I go back to the Bernard King days. The Knicks have done alot of stupid shit man... for me it started with not retaining Bernard to play with Ewing.... my elders compared it to when they traded Clyde. I can go on and on obviously...

That's not what drags me down....

Its other Knick fans... regardless of how miserable my team has made me, I still have a spark of love inside me... I always see the light at the end of the tunnel, the bright side. To me that's what being a fan is.

Today? 2017 is filled with so much hate and garbage. I find myself just being quiet when people talk about the Knicks. The conversion always gets personal and always goes off on a tangent. It kills a whole aspect of fandom. That's why I spend so much time here.... but even here is becoming a cesspool to the garbage.

I know someone is going to bring up Phil and Dolan... Phil has only been here 3 years. Dolan has been in charge since around 1999. I been a fan at least 15 years before that. If you are older than me then you know better than me.

You guys can vent your stories if you want.... but I'm ashamed of alot of you. I'm ashamed to be a knick fan and share space with you on the earth. I'm ashamed to be associated with some of you. Again don't give me that Phil and Dolan shit... i been a fan for about 35 years. That's as far as I can remember. I love the Knicks bro. That's all I have to say about that.

EnySpree wrote:I'm pushing 40... I go back to the Bernard King days. The Knicks have done alot of stupid shit man... for me it started with not retaining Bernard to play with Ewing.... my elders compared it to when they traded Clyde. I can go on and on obviously...

That's not what drags me down....

Its other Knick fans... regardless of how miserable my team has made me, I still have a spark of love inside me... I always see the light at the end of the tunnel, the bright side. To me that's what being a fan is.

Today? 2017 is filled with so much hate and garbage. I find myself just being quiet when people talk about the Knicks. The conversion always gets personal and always goes off on a tangent. It kills a whole aspect of fandom. That's why I spend so much time here.... but even here is becoming a cesspool to the garbage.

I know someone is going to bring up Phil and Dolan... Phil has only been here 3 years. Dolan has been in charge since around 1999. I been a fan at least 15 years before that. If you are older than me then you know better than me.

You guys can vent your stories if you want.... but I'm ashamed of alot of you. I'm ashamed to be a knick fan and share space with you on the earth. I'm ashamed to be associated with some of you. Again don't give me that Phil and Dolan shit... i been a fan for about 35 years. That's as far as I can remember. I love the Knicks bro. That's all I have to say about that.

I'm 65 and I wholeheartedly endorse what you're saying. Lots of teams are in far worse shape than the Knicks but their fans aren't nearly as toxic. Somewhere sports have been driven off the track.

Phil has got the Knicks on the right track. I'm very okay with it. We've been in far worse shape and endure. The inmates don't run the asylum - yet.

fwk00 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I'm pushing 40... I go back to the Bernard King days. The Knicks have done alot of stupid shit man... for me it started with not retaining Bernard to play with Ewing.... my elders compared it to when they traded Clyde. I can go on and on obviously...

That's not what drags me down....

Its other Knick fans... regardless of how miserable my team has made me, I still have a spark of love inside me... I always see the light at the end of the tunnel, the bright side. To me that's what being a fan is.

Today? 2017 is filled with so much hate and garbage. I find myself just being quiet when people talk about the Knicks. The conversion always gets personal and always goes off on a tangent. It kills a whole aspect of fandom. That's why I spend so much time here.... but even here is becoming a cesspool to the garbage.

I know someone is going to bring up Phil and Dolan... Phil has only been here 3 years. Dolan has been in charge since around 1999. I been a fan at least 15 years before that. If you are older than me then you know better than me.

You guys can vent your stories if you want.... but I'm ashamed of alot of you. I'm ashamed to be a knick fan and share space with you on the earth. I'm ashamed to be associated with some of you. Again don't give me that Phil and Dolan shit... i been a fan for about 35 years. That's as far as I can remember. I love the Knicks bro. That's all I have to say about that.

I'm 65 and I wholeheartedly endorse what you're saying. Lots of teams are in far worse shape than the Knicks but their fans aren't nearly as toxic. Somewhere sports have been driven off the track.

Phil has got the Knicks on the right track. I'm very okay with it. We've been in far worse shape and endure. The inmates don't run the asylum - yet.

100 percent agree with both of you. I think the media is playing a huge role in making the fans over react like Phil said he wasn't being critical of melo he was just stating the fact.

Phil needs to take a lesson from bellicheck and pops. You shouldn't be so revealing on wanting to move melo why give other teams the advantage of kmowing you want melo gone .

But this is the problem of ny media, for Phil You would get ripped apart regardless of how you present your plan... what if Phil said melo is our main man and and he's in our long term plans .. I could see the headlines now ...

PHIL HIGH ON MELO

Phil going co co for melo puffs

Phil keeping melo? Why

It was a lose lose for Phil in the eyes of the media, they are taking their biggest punch on the Phil melo drama because they think that's what the fans wanna hear. They would have ripped him if he said melo is our guy.

Half the fans here would be going crazy freaking out questioning Phils ability to run a team.

Again we are in great shape and with a top pick plus 20plus mil to sign some players Phil is doing a great job ... KP and Willy have super bright future here in ny. I still have faith Phil can create a great team for the knicks .

I agree with you guys. I also see the light at the end of the tunnel, Phil has made mistakes but I have faith that he knows what he needs to build the perennial winner. I always felt the real culprit for the Knicks turmoils was more media driven than anything else. The NY media is brutal and I'm a believer that they scare off more free agents than anything else.

My biggest fears as a fan of the Knicks is that the media is merciless here and they can and do tear young players down. People wonder why there is so much secrecy at MSG I always felt that they are protecting the players.

I honestly do believe the Knicks are not to far away.

Stay strong! Ppl are so angry now, I think, just because they don't want melo go, they want to push phil away instead. Nothing personal, they just want their hero staying here forever. Who could blame them? I once wanted Lin stay here forever too.

Maybe I am little bit too naive, I don't think Phil hates Melo. Yeah, Phil's friend hates him, for sure. But why is equal to that Phil would feel the same? Friends usually have different opinions, it is normal. I mean, look at this, Charley Rosen wanted a center with big butt but Phil chose KP.

I mean, Phil actually is very friendly to Melo.

1. Gave him a big contract, and ntc.
2. Let him play a lot of mins, even in meaningless games.

Before ppl say he doesn't dare to not giving him mins because Unions or Dolan. Think about that, it is Phil. He dares to do anything.

3. Everything he said in presser, probably it meant well.

I imagine, if I were a friend of melo, and he came and asked me what he should do, I would probably say he should go, go somewhere he can get a ring. I mean, Knicks will not win a champ next year, and it will not win a champ a year after and it is very possible will not win a champ 2 years after, and he will be 35.

Sure he is very good and very likeable and he deserves better and Phil wasted his prime, but what is done is done. it is best for him to leave now. Everything Phil said is true and he cares about Melo, at least in face value.

Honestly I haven't seen something this divisive of the Knicks fan base since the Melo trade I wouldn't mind going back and see where people stood then and compare it to where people stood now. Like were the pro- Denver Melo trade the same people who are saying staymelo and are the anti-Denver Melo trade people the ones arguing that Phil was right & Melo should go..... or is it a mixed bag of reactions.

Maybe the Linsanity end but if I remember it right most people understood (begrudgingly) that the Knicks made a smart move based on the poison pill. This feels like a 50/50 split.

Without the bitterness of having supported our team when it is losing and in a state of overall mess, the sweetness of seeing it ultimately turn into a contender and a victor will not be as great.

I also think it is unfair to call fans who dislike Phil and Dolsn as "toxic". This tandem had certainly done numerous missteps, and the three seasons under their helm has been disastrous. Yes, they may well eventually right the ship, and the steps they have made were really the best ones given lack of better alternatives. But the fandom is perfectly justified in judging them as a failure so far.

One thing that i dont understand is the propensity to hound the team's best player. This was being done to Ewing, and now the same to Melo. And i cannot fathom the way people expect the team to improve if it loses its best player, such reasoning defies all logic.

For me it's the fans and media that do a toxic dance- the Knicks press core is just filled with bitter writers who don't want to be doing their job but are so poor no one else will employ them (all the good ones have been promoted or left)- and it comes across in every single piece they write. All they do is campaig for coaches and GMS to be fired and players to be traded, every day.

losing aint easy... and I have a real connection to this team. Sports has also changed to media driven entertainment. The coverage is about sooo many things besides just the games. I am not suprised losing has been tough under Phil. He's a guy who has rubbed a LOT of people the wrong way over the years, so while he's down people are going to get their kicks in.

I dont really have a problem with that. I always hated Phil. Will he be the guy to cut through the garden swamp? He's got a short leash to do that. Post Melo, a few drafts, cap space to work with, a roster full of his guys and his 2nd coach... I mean the time is now. I think we can handle more losing but not disarray. This needs to be a tighter ship (duh)

smackeddog wrote:For me it's the fans and media that do a toxic dance- the Knicks press core is just filled with bitter writers who don't want to be doing their job but are so poor no one else will employ them (all the good ones have been promoted or left)- and it comes across in every single piece they write. All they do is campaig for coaches and GMS to be fired and players to be traded, every day.

i think part of that is because most of them were around when Donnie Walsh ran things. He was very good to the writers. I think that is partly why the Walsh tenure is remembered more fondly then it should be.

wargames wrote:Honestly I haven't seen something this divisive of the Knicks fan base since the Melo trade I wouldn't mind going back and see where people stood then and compare it to where people stood now. Like were the pro- Denver Melo trade the same people who are saying staymelo and are the anti-Denver Melo trade people the ones arguing that Phil was right & Melo should go..... or is it a mixed bag of reactions.

Maybe the Linsanity end but if I remember it right most people understood (begrudgingly) that the Knicks made a smart move based on the poison pill. This feels like a 50/50 split.

I didn't like the Melo trade and I think Phil needs to go. I also think Phil needs to be evaluated on his tenure as an exec, not as the coach with 11 rings, or the guy that trashed the player many don't like.

Being a fan of the team shouldn't be about individual players. If you put any single player over the team then you aren't a fan of the team.

I was 8 years old when the Knicks have up on Bernard King.... I cried like the child that i was. I was still hurt entering the season. I still remember that feeling.... but I'm a grown man. I'm older than every nba player except Vince Carter. I've seen so many players come and go.

The one thing is for certain, if you look back... whenever we hit the lottery we eventually made a Commack to the winning side. Ewing, Mark Jackson, Gerald Wilkins...lee, nate, Wilson, Gallinari, etc... drafting well over a stretch has always gotten us back on the right track.

Right now we have no, Willy, Baker, Chasson, Ndour, etc... we could trade Melo and keep adding to the young core. Once THE Knicks establish a identity through the youth we'll open up the opportunity to make trades... just like we traded Cartwright for oak or Melo for that kings ransom or signing a guy like Amare to compliment what we have....

There are people playing on other teams benches, d league, high school, Europe that could help the Knicks going forward. It's bigger than satisfying one player....