http://nypost.com/2017/04/25/the-weirdes...further proof that if you won't playing like he wants you to, regardless of your talent and skills, you better of playing SOME WHERE ELES.
So if KD, or Curry, or Labron, came in and rebel against the TRIANGLE, he wouldn't think twice of trading them away. He would rather have a guy like baker and Randle, who embrace the triangle (for contract purposes) than a much more talented player who is not for the shanannings triangle.
So we start with an article from the Post. Then a sentence later we learn that Phil Jackson would trade KD, Curry, or even Labron for Ron Baker if Baker was a better fit in the shanannings offense. Well that escalated quickly!
Could be a looooong offseason.
name guys that were traded that ppl didnt want gone?
jose calderon? really this site had him vaunted ? seriously?
b jennings had posts about getting rid of him because he played so inconsistent poor
hardaway jr ppl praised getting grant for him, and then said grant may never develop
jason smith????
hell even jr smith lol iman shumpert still hast develped to what we thought he would be.
now rolo i was sad to see go he played very good next to kp but honestly who else would make a huge difference to the team?
some of those guys were gone before phil came here.
and if curry or lebron or durant were here , they actually lead so the team would be much different
It's bigger than Phil - when I look at Zach Randolph beasting every year - I think- wow! If only we could have kept him, added talent to exist along side.
But I think it's a fair point to criticize Phil and point to all the players he basically dumped in his quest to build the perfect triangle- that are performing and playing well.
I'm not saying they would have us in the play offs, but I was happy to keep Lopez & Calderon vs. the disaster known as the Rose Trade & Noah Signing- we'd be closer.
And closer if we let Jeff coach vs. Phil & Rambis.
How many of them are starters, or a second/third scoring option that they were supposed to be with the Knicks?Which one of the Knicks' current players would anyone here trade to get one of those ex-Knicks back? I wouldn't trade anyone for them.
So is Sacramento, or the Lakers fans complaining about players they had that are in the playoffs? Give me a break.
knicks1248 wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/04/25/the-weirdes...further proof that if you won't playing like he wants you to, regardless of your talent and skills, you better of playing SOME WHERE ELES.
So if KD, or Curry, or Labron, came in and rebel against the TRIANGLE, he wouldn't think twice of trading them away. He would rather have a guy like baker and Randle, who embrace the triangle (for contract purposes) than a much more talented player who is not for the shanannings triangle.
Melo is about to be 33 years old dude stop crying. If he was 27-28 it would be different... the Knicks are in a different path. Get over it already.
We did this lamenting role player bash Phil thing a few days ago.
This is why the Knicks can't have nice things! LOL! The New York Media is a voracious school of Pirhanas!!! Yes Phil has made a TON of player moves but NONE of those players is the driving force for their new teams.
The Knicks didn't have a LEADER to get the most out of the Role Players. We all know the story behind these players when they were here in NY.
At this point the lesson we all should have learned is that we MUST build this thru the draft more than Free Agency! Phil may not have been a big proponent of the draft before but I bet he is now!!! His best options are with adding young talent. No more Quick Fixes.
huh? just because those players are contributing elsewhere in the playoffs does not mean that they were a good fit for NYC climate both sports climate and weather...um remember fluson chandler?
remember the red carpet calderon had laid out for drives to the basket by opposing guards.
how about arron "i am kobe" afflalo
Phil gets blasted for getting Jose, then blasted for letting him leave.
Cartman718 wrote:huh? just because those players are contributing elsewhere in the playoffs does not mean that they were a good fit for NYC climate both sports climate and weather...um remember fluson chandler?remember the red carpet calderon had laid out for drives to the basket by opposing guards.
how about arron "i am kobe" afflalo
fair point - but I wonder if any player is suited to NYC.
EnySpree wrote:knicks1248 wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/04/25/the-weirdes...further proof that if you won't playing like he wants you to, regardless of your talent and skills, you better of playing SOME WHERE ELES.
So if KD, or Curry, or Labron, came in and rebel against the TRIANGLE, he wouldn't think twice of trading them away. He would rather have a guy like baker and Randle, who embrace the triangle (for contract purposes) than a much more talented player who is not for the shanannings triangle.
Melo is about to be 33 years old dude stop crying. If he was 27-28 it would be different... the Knicks are in a different path. Get over it already.
Melo is not in the playoffs, unfortunately for him, he's still on a knicks team run by a dick, but im so sure if he's traded, he will be in the finals next yr..
knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:knicks1248 wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/04/25/the-weirdes...further proof that if you won't playing like he wants you to, regardless of your talent and skills, you better of playing SOME WHERE ELES.
So if KD, or Curry, or Labron, came in and rebel against the TRIANGLE, he wouldn't think twice of trading them away. He would rather have a guy like baker and Randle, who embrace the triangle (for contract purposes) than a much more talented player who is not for the shanannings triangle.
Melo is about to be 33 years old dude stop crying. If he was 27-28 it would be different... the Knicks are in a different path. Get over it already.
Melo is not in the playoffs, unfortunately for him, he's still on a knicks team run by a dick, but im so sure if he's traded, he will be in the finals next yr..
Where's Tyson? Quincy? Bargs? Dalembert? Galloway? Ledo? Amare? Prigioni? Shved? Melo?
So you started a thread to show how half the guys Phil traded away are now in the playoffs.. in a league where half the teams go to the playoffs. Genius! You could be POTUS!
fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:knicks1248 wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/04/25/the-weirdes...further proof that if you won't playing like he wants you to, regardless of your talent and skills, you better of playing SOME WHERE ELES.
So if KD, or Curry, or Labron, came in and rebel against the TRIANGLE, he wouldn't think twice of trading them away. He would rather have a guy like baker and Randle, who embrace the triangle (for contract purposes) than a much more talented player who is not for the shanannings triangle.
Melo is about to be 33 years old dude stop crying. If he was 27-28 it would be different... the Knicks are in a different path. Get over it already.
Melo is not in the playoffs, unfortunately for him, he's still on a knicks team run by a dick, but im so sure if he's traded, he will be in the finals next yr..
Where's Tyson? Quincy? Bargs? Dalembert? Galloway? Ledo? Amare? Prigioni? Shved? Melo?So you started a thread to show how half the guys Phil traded away are now in the playoffs.. in a league where half the teams go to the playoffs. Genius! You could be POTUS!
I agree with you that this is a non issue but why list a bunch of players cut or not resigned. Only Tyson and Prigs were traded I believe and Prigs was in the playoffs for Houston and LAC before he retired.
The only real issue I have with Calderon is that they made it seem like it was such a big deal to get him off the books when all it took was two 2nd rders. Rose going back was also an issue but the past is the past
nixluva wrote:This is why the Knicks can't have nice things! LOL! The New York Media is a voracious school of Pirhanas!!! Yes Phil has made a TON of player moves but NONE of those players is the driving force for their new teams. The Knicks didn't have a LEADER to get the most out of the Role Players. We all know the story behind these players when they were here in NY.
At this point the lesson we all should have learned is that we MUST build this thru the draft more than Free Agency! Phil may not have been a big proponent of the draft before but I bet he is now!!! His best options are with adding young talent. No more Quick Fixes.
What quick fixes are you talking about, phil never sign a bunch of over the hill tired FA, In fact he only sign three 3O yr olds since he's been here, Lee, AA, NOAH, everbody has been in their 20's.
That's why you make no sense half the time, because you act like we had the CLIPPERS Roster. Then you act like we have 3 first rnd picks this yr along with 3 second rnd picks.
so when you talk about building through the draft with just 3 picks,(one 1st rnd, and 2 late 2nd round) you sound down right ridiculous..you going to build your team around 2 rnd picks, cmon NIX make some sense.
Nalod wrote:Phil gets blasted for getting Jose, then blasted for letting him leave.
He gets blasted for misjudging the player Jose was when he got him and the role he thought he could fill on the team.
franco12 wrote:It's bigger than Phil - when I look at Zach Randolph beasting every year - I think- wow! If only we could have kept him, added talent to exist along side.But I think it's a fair point to criticize Phil and point to all the players he basically dumped in his quest to build the perfect triangle- that are performing and playing well.
I'm not saying they would have us in the play offs, but I was happy to keep Lopez & Calderon vs. the disaster known as the Rose Trade & Noah Signing- we'd be closer.
And closer if we let Jeff coach vs. Phil & Rambis.
I agree about Zach. At the time he was a Knick there was talk that the Knicks might include the pick that became Gallo to move him.
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:This is why the Knicks can't have nice things! LOL! The New York Media is a voracious school of Pirhanas!!! Yes Phil has made a TON of player moves but NONE of those players is the driving force for their new teams. The Knicks didn't have a LEADER to get the most out of the Role Players. We all know the story behind these players when they were here in NY.
At this point the lesson we all should have learned is that we MUST build this thru the draft more than Free Agency! Phil may not have been a big proponent of the draft before but I bet he is now!!! His best options are with adding young talent. No more Quick Fixes.
What quick fixes are you talking about, phil never sign a bunch of over the hill tired FA, In fact he only sign three 3O yr olds since he's been here, Lee, AA, NOAH, everbody has been in their 20's.
That's why you make no sense half the time, because you act like we had the CLIPPERS Roster. Then you act like we have 3 first rnd picks this yr along with 3 second rnd picks.
so when you talk about building through the draft with just 3 picks,(one 1st rnd, and 2 late 2nd round) you sound down right ridiculous..you going to build your team around 2 rnd picks, cmon NIX make some sense.
You are losing it. Why are you trying to define Quick Fix as 30 yr old players? The point isn't about the age but the attempt to make quick improvement via adding vets. That doesn't mean only 30+ yrs of age!!!
I do in fact make sense MOST of the time. You may not agree with my points but I'm reasonably clear in what I'm saying. The Knicks have tried to build by signing FREE AGENTS! It hasn't worked and now it's time to do something else.
No one is exaggerating around here but YOU! In addition to the picks we have, the idea is to make trades that can bring in picks or younger talent.
What is your alternative to doing this? You and a few others complain but never propose a legitimate alternative!
If Phil is getting blasted for moving players. Pat Riley and the OKC guys should roasted. Pat Riley lost LeBron, Wade, OKC Harden, Durant and Ibaka. Knicks fans crying about Felton, Smith, Shumpert Hardaway, Rolo.
You guys just to funny.
