Hamdou Diallo entered the draft--I had no clue that he did. He was a high level Uconn recruit and we were supposed to get him
but spurned at the last moment to go to Kentucky. Well apparently he is old enough to enter the draft which he did.
He becomes an intriguing possibility for a trade down scenario because he has the 6-6+ type Kobe MJ type of athleticism with the body control and strength that give a a few players the it factor. If we can trade down some--and are able to grab 1 or even 2 extra picks whether this year and next where we pick up Diallo and lets say Frank Jackson in round 1 that immediately improves our teams athletic ability quite a bit and gives us two players who are young--can play in the triangle--of as I suspect when Phil is gone in two years--also have the ability to play well in open court type of play. Hes got work to do on his body and jumpshot--but he has the intriguing MJ turnaround where he rises up over the defender to get his shot off and has a nice touch there. Hes going to need time to develop a long distance game and corresponding facets of other areas--but this is a rare athlete. Id rather keep our options open--perhaps find quality out of quantity spreading the risk around with more choices. Hes also NY born and raised.[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmhMQlM4m3I[/YouTube]
Phil needs that Jerry West moment. Find a way to land Ferguson or Diallo.
Vmart wrote:Phil needs that Jerry West moment. Find a way to land Ferguson or Diallo.
Some of these younger guys may not realize Kobe Bryant was a 13 pick by Charlotte--traded to LA for Vlade Divac. These types of athletes dont come around every day and I like thats hes from NY. Less pressure on him and the Knicks to jump out of the box from day 1 but would bring excitement.
If we can get two prospects for the price of 1--unless we arent pick 1-2-3 it might be best for the team.
No way do you move down, out of the top 7 to draft this guy. You are giving up a potential star for a huge question mark. It would be great to pick someone at 7 and then try to move up from our 2 2nd rnd picks to nab this guy in the late 1st or early 2nd round. He is so raw he isn't even steak tartare
I'm hoping and praying that Phil can get another 1st or early 2nd. The problem is I don't see any great prospects for getting one. Teams just aren't looking to give them up.
BigRedDog wrote:No way do you move down, out of the top 7 to draft this guy. You are giving up a potential star for a huge question mark. It would be great to pick someone at 7 and then try to move up from our 2 2nd rnd picks to nab this guy in the late 1st or early 2nd round. He is so raw he isn't even steak tartare
And that's where scouting comes into play, maybe you are giving up a potential flop for a potential star.
I'm down to trade down if possible.... i really don't want Dennis Smith for the Knicks as Malik Monk ous ok but he doesn't jump out at me as a guy that's going to help right away. I have no interest in anybody else until Terence Ferguson and Bacon name pops up on the mocks. So trading down would be nice or if we could flip a player for a lower draft pick. That is far fetched because if we can sit here and pull names out the hat like this other teams see it too....
I trust our scouts to take a real hard look at the draft field and not pay attention to the Mocks. The workouts will also be important for them. This year is gonna be insane since they have 3 picks.
If the Gaines and the scouts think this kid is it... I'd be down.
The Knicks should leave no stone unturned here. Don't fall into the trap of picking a guy who is slotted at 6/7/8 just because our first choice is off the board. That's how we wound up with Jordan Hill in a draft where DeMar DeRozan and Jrue Holiday were on the board.
I'd like to get him, or someone like him if we can get a second first round pick. I'm getting my PG at 7, or trading down if they PG's are gone.
Now that I think about it... I would draft this kid at #7. Research has to be done and workouts have to be conducted, but the skill and Talent is there. It's a worthy gamble... knicks aren't trying to win now anyway. The potential is incredible with this kid.
I'm a Nigel Williams goss fan so if he's there in the second round when we pick that would be fine with me. Dude is a doc rivers type of point guard... a Avery Johnson, maybe even Sam cassell... savy player.
crzymdups wrote:If the Gaines and the scouts think this kid is it... I'd be down.The Knicks should leave no stone unturned here. Don't fall into the trap of picking a guy who is slotted at 6/7/8 just because our first choice is off the board. That's how we wound up with Jordan Hill in a draft where DeMar DeRozan and Jrue Holiday were on the board.
Exactly I never do that either. Just because a mock draft says this guy is going 6 or 5 or whatever doenst make it so. KP was a no brainer at 4--but do we have a no brainer if we stick at 7? Right now Im shopping around. Im looking to increase my athletic ability so I can play better defense but I still want my upside on offense. Elite athletes tend to make the better defenders--not always but they have more tools.
I wonder if we can get more value if we do indeed make a move with Portland and go 7 +57 for 15-20-26
BRIGGS wrote:crzymdups wrote:If the Gaines and the scouts think this kid is it... I'd be down.The Knicks should leave no stone unturned here. Don't fall into the trap of picking a guy who is slotted at 6/7/8 just because our first choice is off the board. That's how we wound up with Jordan Hill in a draft where DeMar DeRozan and Jrue Holiday were on the board.
Exactly I never do that either. Just because a mock draft says this guy is going 6 or 5 or whatever doenst make it so. KP was a no brainer at 4--but do we have a no brainer if we stick at 7? Right now Im shopping around. Im looking to increase my athletic ability so I can play better defense but I still want my upside on offense. Elite athletes tend to make the better defenders--not always but they have more tools.
I wonder if we can get more value if we do indeed make a move with Portland and go 7 +57 for 15-20-26
I'm wit that
nixluva wrote:I'm hoping and praying that Phil can get another 1st or early 2nd. The problem is I don't see any great prospects for getting one. Teams just aren't looking to give them up.
We have Melo, KOQ and C.Lee that if the right team was interested in any of the 3 could get us a mid to late 1st round pick. I think C.Lee is underestimated with what he could bring to a team that's already good. He plays both sides of the ball and can shoot the rock. KOQ impressed the heck out of me this year and showed he can be a really good big man 1st off the bench for the 4 or 5 spot.
EnySpree wrote:I'm a Nigel Williams goss fan so if he's there in the second round when we pick that would be fine with me. Dude is a doc rivers type of point guard... a Avery Johnson, maybe even Sam cassell... savy player.
He reminds me of a Brian Shaw type. I think he would be a nice fit in the triangle as a guy who can spot you minutes at both backcourt slots. I'd be down to take him Goss as a second round pick. Stash him in the D-League and see how he develops.
newyorker4ever wrote:nixluva wrote:I'm hoping and praying that Phil can get another 1st or early 2nd. The problem is I don't see any great prospects for getting one. Teams just aren't looking to give them up.
We have Melo, KOQ and C.Lee that if the right team was interested in any of the 3 could get us a mid to late 1st round pick. I think C.Lee is underestimated with what he could bring to a team that's already good. He plays both sides of the ball and can shoot the rock. KOQ impressed the heck out of me this year and showed he can be a really good big man 1st off the bench for the 4 or 5 spot.
The problem with trading O'Quinn now is that we'd be depending on Noah to stay healthy. Lee is probably our best hope of getting something done by draft night.
crzymdups wrote:If the Gaines and the scouts think this kid is it... I'd be down.The Knicks should leave no stone unturned here. Don't fall into the trap of picking a guy who is slotted at 6/7/8 just because our first choice is off the board. That's how we wound up with Jordan Hill in a draft where DeMar DeRozan and Jrue Holiday were on the board.
That was the last PG draft...and we ended up with Hill.
Was that Donny...MDA...or did they both agree on him. I don't recall even doing research on him because I never considered that Hill might be on our radar.
What a terrible pick Hill was.
WaltLongmire wrote:crzymdups wrote:If the Gaines and the scouts think this kid is it... I'd be down.The Knicks should leave no stone unturned here. Don't fall into the trap of picking a guy who is slotted at 6/7/8 just because our first choice is off the board. That's how we wound up with Jordan Hill in a draft where DeMar DeRozan and Jrue Holiday were on the board.
That was the last PG draft...and we ended up with Hill.Was that Donny...MDA...or did they both agree on him. I don't recall even doing research on him because I never considered that Hill might be on our radar.
What a terrible pick Hill was.
That had to be Donny! MDA would want a PG IMO! In any event the Knicks have MASSIVE opportunities to acquire high level talent in this draft. Just gotta be aggressive in going after picks.
WaltLongmire wrote:crzymdups wrote:If the Gaines and the scouts think this kid is it... I'd be down.The Knicks should leave no stone unturned here. Don't fall into the trap of picking a guy who is slotted at 6/7/8 just because our first choice is off the board. That's how we wound up with Jordan Hill in a draft where DeMar DeRozan and Jrue Holiday were on the board.
That was the last PG draft...and we ended up with Hill.Was that Donny...MDA...or did they both agree on him. I don't recall even doing research on him because I never considered that Hill might be on our radar.
What a terrible pick Hill was.
Yes, they clearly thought they were getting Curry and had NO plan B. Jrue Holiday or Darren Collison would've been decent options. They had to have a scenario where they might trade down if Curry was off the board.
That's what I'd like this year - plan A is we get our guy at 7. If Plan A is off the board, you have to have a contingency plan B to trade down imho.
BRIGGS wrote:crzymdups wrote:If the Gaines and the scouts think this kid is it... I'd be down.The Knicks should leave no stone unturned here. Don't fall into the trap of picking a guy who is slotted at 6/7/8 just because our first choice is off the board. That's how we wound up with Jordan Hill in a draft where DeMar DeRozan and Jrue Holiday were on the board.
Exactly I never do that either. Just because a mock draft says this guy is going 6 or 5 or whatever doenst make it so. KP was a no brainer at 4--but do we have a no brainer if we stick at 7? Right now Im shopping around. Im looking to increase my athletic ability so I can play better defense but I still want my upside on offense. Elite athletes tend to make the better defenders--not always but they have more tools.
I wonder if we can get more value if we do indeed make a move with Portland and go 7 +57 for 15-20-26
For KP being a no brainer at 4 we sure did have a lot of people questioning that pick at the time.
