Knicks · Knicks Phil taking a pg at 7 (page 1)

Were already been hot on a "tall" lead pg who played good D yet couldn't shoot wellin Jerian Grant and I believe they had him ranked in the lottery.

They better not orgasm at the same thing and keep an open mind

Fox, Frank, Smith and Monk could all be in play! Grant isn't in the same class as any of them. Grant was fools gold. I thought he'd be better than this as did a lot of scouts. Sometimes that just happens. All of the guards at the top of this draft are worthy of their ranking. The Knicks wouldn't be reaching by choosing one of them IMO. There's no guarantees in the draft but these are some good players.

nixluva wrote:Fox, Frank, Smith and Monk could all be in play! Grant isn't in the same class as any of them. Grant was fools gold. I thought he'd be better than this as did a lot of scouts. Sometimes that just happens. All of the guards at the top of this draft are worthy of their ranking. The Knicks wouldn't be reaching by choosing one of them IMO. There's no guarantees in the draft but these are some good players.

Grant had the skills to be a good PG, but hesitation seems to be baked into his game. Thought Jerian might outgrow it as he became more acclimated, but that didnt really happen.

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:Fox, Frank, Smith and Monk could all be in play! Grant isn't in the same class as any of them. Grant was fools gold. I thought he'd be better than this as did a lot of scouts. Sometimes that just happens. All of the guards at the top of this draft are worthy of their ranking. The Knicks wouldn't be reaching by choosing one of them IMO. There's no guarantees in the draft but these are some good players.

Grant had the skills to be a good PG, but hesitation seems to be baked into his game. Thought Jerian might outgrow it as he became more acclimated, but that didnt really happen.

Grant had the full package. Nba pedigree... 5 year college player.... plus he came off a monster tournament. He almost beat Duke by himself... he was a sure thing, but he's proof that nobody is a sure thing.

BRIGGS wrote:Were already been hot on a "tall" lead pg who played good D yet couldn't shoot wellin Jerian Grant and I believe they had him ranked in the lottery.

They better not orgasm at the same thing and keep an open mind

PG has always been the toughest positon to draft. Now teams are asked to judge a 18-19 year old one. There will be some big flops in this draft. Dont like Fox. Hope somehow Tatum falls to us. Would not mind a John Collins pick. Even the kid from Arizona, although similar to KP skill set. Monk is less of a risk as I see him as a 2.

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GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:Fox, Frank, Smith and Monk could all be in play! Grant isn't in the same class as any of them. Grant was fools gold. I thought he'd be better than this as did a lot of scouts. Sometimes that just happens. All of the guards at the top of this draft are worthy of their ranking. The Knicks wouldn't be reaching by choosing one of them IMO. There's no guarantees in the draft but these are some good players.

Grant had the skills to be a good PG, but hesitation seems to be baked into his game. Thought Jerian might outgrow it as he became more acclimated, but that didnt really happen.

Grant had the full package. Nba pedigree... 5 year college player.... plus he came off a monster tournament. He almost beat Duke by himself... he was a sure thing, but he's proof that nobody is a sure thing.

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HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Were already been hot on a "tall" lead pg who played good D yet couldn't shoot wellin Jerian Grant and I believe they had him ranked in the lottery.

They better not orgasm at the same thing and keep an open mind

PG has always been the toughest positon to draft. Now teams are asked to judge a 18-19 year old one. There will be some big flops in this draft. Dont like Fox. Hope somehow Tatum falls to us. Would not mind a John Collins pick. Even the kid from Arizona, although similar to KP skill set. Monk is less of a risk as I see him as a 2.

I agree pg is difficult Skinny tall PGs-- how many are actually in the NBA? 7 is quite the scary pick. I like 1-4 I feel good there. I do think Fox after initially being critical on him think he's better than people calling him Jennings part 2. I think I could walk out with Fox at 7 and feel ok about it-- and that's being realistic that this is 7 not 2. I'm personally very hot on Diallo now. I'd like to see the Knicks really look at him over the next two weeks and if he stays in-- than much more so. I want to see how his workouts measurements and play is at the combine. His physical profile is more nba standard and I like what Calipari and some of his teammates said about his high level defense ball skills and improved shooting. A 6-5 sg with explosive athleticism long arms who is hard working with the alpha gene has a lot of appeal

I don't need a pg here-- what I want is rhe Bpa for the long term. I'm scared that Frank N is a younger skinnier Jerian Grant. We can't fail like that right now

I'm high on Fox. I don't think his shooting is going to be a problem. Just watching him his shot just needs work with a Pro Shooting coach to his mechanics refined. I like everything else about Fox.

Frank has the physical profile. Those freakishly long arms make him a real interesting defensive prospect. I worry about his handles and quickness. Really hard to judge him in relation to NBA speed. We'll have to wait for reports from workouts.

Smith I have less concerns about him being able to play at the next level. With him it's his mental game that concerns me. Is he capable of being a legit floor general and running a team?

BRIGGS wrote:Were already been hot on a "tall" lead pg who played good D yet couldn't shoot wellin Jerian Grant and I believe they had him ranked in the lottery.

They better not orgasm at the same thing and keep an open mind

Is this like when you said we were picking WCS in the KP draft and that it was a "done deal"?

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if we don't take a PG, mainly because Phil said there are some free agents that can help, and I don't see much free agent wise other than pgs. So I think maybe he plans to plug PG via free agency or by trading for Rivers.

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Were already been hot on a "tall" lead pg who played good D yet couldn't shoot wellin Jerian Grant and I believe they had him ranked in the lottery.

They better not orgasm at the same thing and keep an open mind

Is this like when you said we were picking WCS in the KP draft and that it was a "done deal"?

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if we don't take a PG, mainly because Phil said there are some free agents that can help, and I don't see much free agent wise other than pgs. So I think maybe he plans to plug PG via free agency or by trading for Rivers.

I'm not saying anything. I listened to Phils press conference and I'm hoping he keeps an open mind into player acquisition. He seems hell bent on a tall pg and the first one he took in round 1 that they rated in the lottery isn't even an NBA talent. I don't mind taking a tall pg but tall slow and questionable shooter is scary

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Were already been hot on a "tall" lead pg who played good D yet couldn't shoot wellin Jerian Grant and I believe they had him ranked in the lottery.

They better not orgasm at the same thing and keep an open mind

PG has always been the toughest positon to draft. Now teams are asked to judge a 18-19 year old one. There will be some big flops in this draft. Dont like Fox. Hope somehow Tatum falls to us. Would not mind a John Collins pick. Even the kid from Arizona, although similar to KP skill set. Monk is less of a risk as I see him as a 2.

I agree pg is difficult Skinny tall PGs-- how many are actually in the NBA? 7 is quite the scary pick. I like 1-4 I feel good there. I do think Fox after initially being critical on him think he's better than people calling him Jennings part 2. I think I could walk out with Fox at 7 and feel ok about it-- and that's being realistic that this is 7 not 2. I'm personally very hot on Diallo now. I'd like to see the Knicks really look at him over the next two weeks and if he stays in-- than much more so. I want to see how his workouts measurements and play is at the combine. His physical profile is more nba standard and I like what Calipari and some of his teammates said about his high level defense ball skills and improved shooting. A 6-5 sg with explosive athleticism long arms who is hard working with the alpha gene has a lot of appeal

I don't need a pg here-- what I want is rhe Bpa for the long term. I'm scared that Frank N is a younger skinnier Jerian Grant. We can't fail like that right now

On the whole you seem to make assessments based solely on body types and athletic ability. I think you would benefit from looking at other things as well.

I hope we take a wing. Also I forget who first posed the idea but I like the idea of some of these pgs being used as 2g

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:Fox, Frank, Smith and Monk could all be in play! Grant isn't in the same class as any of them. Grant was fools gold. I thought he'd be better than this as did a lot of scouts. Sometimes that just happens. All of the guards at the top of this draft are worthy of their ranking. The Knicks wouldn't be reaching by choosing one of them IMO. There's no guarantees in the draft but these are some good players.

Grant had the skills to be a good PG, but hesitation seems to be baked into his game. Thought Jerian might outgrow it as he became more acclimated, but that didnt really happen.

i think Jerian has peaked as he played 4 seasons in college so theres not much potential there but can become a solid backup ....kind of like a Toney Douglas

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Were already been hot on a "tall" lead pg who played good D yet couldn't shoot wellin Jerian Grant and I believe they had him ranked in the lottery.

They better not orgasm at the same thing and keep an open mind

Is this like when you said we were picking WCS in the KP draft and that it was a "done deal"?

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if we don't take a PG, mainly because Phil said there are some free agents that can help, and I don't see much free agent wise other than pgs. So I think maybe he plans to plug PG via free agency or by trading for Rivers.

I'm not saying anything. I listened to Phils press conference and I'm hoping he keeps an open mind into player acquisition. He seems hell bent on a tall pg and the first one he took in round 1 that they rated in the lottery isn't even an NBA talent. I don't mind taking a tall pg but tall slow and questionable shooter is scary

the bold... what are you basing that on? Any shred of evidence would be welcome or as mentioned are we looking at another year of a daily WCS or Kaminsky thread from you?

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Were already been hot on a "tall" lead pg who played good D yet couldn't shoot wellin Jerian Grant and I believe they had him ranked in the lottery.

They better not orgasm at the same thing and keep an open mind

Is this like when you said we were picking WCS in the KP draft and that it was a "done deal"?

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if we don't take a PG, mainly because Phil said there are some free agents that can help, and I don't see much free agent wise other than pgs. So I think maybe he plans to plug PG via free agency or by trading for Rivers.

I'm not saying anything. I listened to Phils press conference and I'm hoping he keeps an open mind into player acquisition. He seems hell bent on a tall pg and the first one he took in round 1 that they rated in the lottery isn't even an NBA talent. I don't mind taking a tall pg but tall slow and questionable shooter is scary

the bold... what are you basing that on? Any shred of evidence would be welcome or as mentioned are we looking at another year of a daily WCS or Kaminsky thread from you?

Its certainly more thought provoking than hearing it was ok to spend 75mm on Noah from you:) I dont want another Cleanthony Early Jerian Grant draft

nixluva wrote:I'm high on Fox. I don't think his shooting is going to be a problem. Just watching him his shot just needs work with a Pro Shooting coach to his mechanics refined. I like everything else about Fox.

Frank has the physical profile. Those freakishly long arms make him a real interesting defensive prospect. I worry about his handles and quickness. Really hard to judge him in relation to NBA speed. We'll have to wait for reports from workouts.

Smith I have less concerns about him being able to play at the next level. With him it's his mental game that concerns me. Is he capable of being a legit floor general and running a team?

yeah I see both Fox and Smith developing a bit quicker than Frank and they're more of the scoring 2 guards that are out there in the NBA..

European/foreign PGs take longer to develop......Frank reminds me of Schroeder a bit

Pavvy wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm high on Fox. I don't think his shooting is going to be a problem. Just watching him his shot just needs work with a Pro Shooting coach to his mechanics refined. I like everything else about Fox.

Frank has the physical profile. Those freakishly long arms make him a real interesting defensive prospect. I worry about his handles and quickness. Really hard to judge him in relation to NBA speed. We'll have to wait for reports from workouts.

Smith I have less concerns about him being able to play at the next level. With him it's his mental game that concerns me. Is he capable of being a legit floor general and running a team?

yeah I see both Fox and Smith developing a bit quicker than Frank and they're more of the scoring 2 guards that are out there in the NBA..

European/foreign PGs take longer to develop......Frank reminds me of Schroeder a bit

If anything Fox reminds me more of Shroeder with more height. Hes super quick just like Schroeder but also has some traits of John Wall. Frank N kind of looks like Jamal Crawford with less polish

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Were already been hot on a "tall" lead pg who played good D yet couldn't shoot wellin Jerian Grant and I believe they had him ranked in the lottery.

They better not orgasm at the same thing and keep an open mind

Is this like when you said we were picking WCS in the KP draft and that it was a "done deal"?

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if we don't take a PG, mainly because Phil said there are some free agents that can help, and I don't see much free agent wise other than pgs. So I think maybe he plans to plug PG via free agency or by trading for Rivers.

I'm not saying anything. I listened to Phils press conference and I'm hoping he keeps an open mind into player acquisition. He seems hell bent on a tall pg and the first one he took in round 1 that they rated in the lottery isn't even an NBA talent. I don't mind taking a tall pg but tall slow and questionable shooter is scary

the bold... what are you basing that on? Any shred of evidence would be welcome or as mentioned are we looking at another year of a daily WCS or Kaminsky thread from you?

Its certainly more thought provoking than hearing it was ok to spend 75mm on Noah from you:) I dont want another Cleanthony Early Jerian Grant draft

Its only thought provoking the first time. After that its boring and repetitive. Also I dont remember starting a thread every day saying we signed Noah and its OK. But yea cool.

So Phil isnt hell bent at all. Its just something you made up. Good to know. Early and Grant were decent picks that didnt work out.

Beyond a high loose dribble--look at how much trouble Frank N has with separation. Hes always contested and think about the level of an NBA athlete vs what hes playing now. Fox separates on demand.

BRIGGS wrote:

Pavvy wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm high on Fox. I don't think his shooting is going to be a problem. Just watching him his shot just needs work with a Pro Shooting coach to his mechanics refined. I like everything else about Fox.

Frank has the physical profile. Those freakishly long arms make him a real interesting defensive prospect. I worry about his handles and quickness. Really hard to judge him in relation to NBA speed. We'll have to wait for reports from workouts.

Smith I have less concerns about him being able to play at the next level. With him it's his mental game that concerns me. Is he capable of being a legit floor general and running a team?

yeah I see both Fox and Smith developing a bit quicker than Frank and they're more of the scoring 2 guards that are out there in the NBA..

European/foreign PGs take longer to develop......Frank reminds me of Schroeder a bit

If anything Fox reminds me more of Shroeder with more height. Hes super quick just like Schroeder but also has some traits of John Wall. Frank N kind of looks like Jamal Crawford with less polish

What footage are you watching of Frank N to come to that conclusion? Their games are nothing alike. They are black and skinny though... so there's that.

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Pavvy wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm high on Fox. I don't think his shooting is going to be a problem. Just watching him his shot just needs work with a Pro Shooting coach to his mechanics refined. I like everything else about Fox.

Frank has the physical profile. Those freakishly long arms make him a real interesting defensive prospect. I worry about his handles and quickness. Really hard to judge him in relation to NBA speed. We'll have to wait for reports from workouts.

Smith I have less concerns about him being able to play at the next level. With him it's his mental game that concerns me. Is he capable of being a legit floor general and running a team?

yeah I see both Fox and Smith developing a bit quicker than Frank and they're more of the scoring 2 guards that are out there in the NBA..

European/foreign PGs take longer to develop......Frank reminds me of Schroeder a bit

If anything Fox reminds me more of Shroeder with more height. Hes super quick just like Schroeder but also has some traits of John Wall. Frank N kind of looks like Jamal Crawford with less polish

What footage are you watching of Frank N to come to that conclusion? Their games are nothing alike. They are black and skinny though... so there's that.

Every video he has. He has a high loose dribble and has trouble separating from his defender. He does make plays with length but that wont cut it in the NBA.