Wow, the Raptors can't afford to lose him but they probably can't afford having him on a max contract through age 35. Tough decision for them. They probably should give him the full max without an NTC or trade kicker and down the line, see what they can get for him in trades. His contract will eventually become crippling most likely if they keep him through age 35. But they'll take a gigantic step backwards if they let him walk.
Vmart@ 5/8/2017 1:08 PM
This isn't a hard decision at all. Their back up played really well in his absence.
BRIGGS@ 5/8/2017 1:19 PM
Vmart wrote:This isn't a hard decision at all. Their back up played really well in his absence.
Absolutely---signing Lowry now for 25-30mm will be a disaster.
Vmart@ 5/8/2017 1:33 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Vmart wrote:This isn't a hard decision at all. Their back up played really well in his absence.
Absolutely---signing Lowry now for 25-30mm will be a disaster.
Exactly they know they won't get past the Cavs essentially majority of the playoff teams win now window is closed. The team with the best window right now believe it or not is Washington, Boston and you can add Milwaukee in there. The youth infusion gets them past the Cavs when their window closes.
Bonn1997@ 5/8/2017 2:04 PM
Vmart wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Vmart wrote:This isn't a hard decision at all. Their back up played really well in his absence.
Absolutely---signing Lowry now for 25-30mm will be a disaster.
Exactly they know they won't get past the Cavs essentially majority of the playoff teams win now window is closed. The team with the best window right now believe it or not is Washington, Boston and you can add Milwaukee in there. The youth infusion gets them past the Cavs when their window closes.
You mean replacing Lowry with Joseph? That's gonna turn a 51 win 2nd round team with the 3rd best attendance into a 42 win 1st round team, which will probably mean much worse attendance. It's a terrible short-term decision but it might be what they have to do long-term. It's a gamble. If they signed Lowry for the max, they likely still could get decent assets in return for him by the trade deadline. If they knew they couldn't give him the max, they should have traded him this year.
MS@ 5/8/2017 2:18 PM
He was opting out no matter what. They are going to pay him. Can't afford to loose him. He will get 100MM over 4 years or he will sign a 5 year deal with the Sixers.
Bonn1997@ 5/8/2017 3:04 PM
MS wrote:He was opting out no matter what. They are going to pay him. Can't afford to loose him. He will get 100MM over 4 years or he will sign a 5 year deal with the Sixers.
$100 mil is nothing now. The question is whether they'll have to offer him closer to $200 mil.
Nalod@ 5/8/2017 3:12 PM
Expected he would opt out from what I read. He gave them a good discount last time and wants some chedder back.
djsunyc@ 5/8/2017 3:21 PM
so after being so bad for so long...lowry changes the entire complexion of the franchise and you think they're ready to let him go? seriously, he is the main reason the team's fortunes turned around. he is the leader, the heart and the soul of the team.
raptors will make a serious offer. it will be up to kyle if he wants to stay or not. ujiri is about asset retention. letting him walk would mean we would have to seriously consider blowing it all up and i don't think that's the plan. just b/c we aren't championship contenders doesn't mean you tear down a good thing.
if he wants to stay, we'll sign him and then probably move him before his deal is up. letting him walk gives us nothing.
you may laugh at this but ujiri is trying to build a winning franchise/culture like the spurs east albeit at a lower level. 4 full years of about 50 win basketball with some ok playoff success. franchise respected around the league where players actually want to go now and stay. casey will be entering his 7th year coaching us - that's unheard of. keep that going for as long as you can...even if that means getting a title is never gonna happen. think indiana in the mid to late 90's. if lebron goes play baseball, we can get to the finals :)
we looked absolutely terrible vs the cavs and the last 2 w/o lowry was a no chance deal. but we could still beat every other team in the east. maybe our 50 win run is coming up...maybe sooner than expected but if we bring everyone back and make a few tweaks with some internal development, we're right back at 50 wins and 2nd round. we just got caught in the cavs bracket this time around.
getting back to lowry - he can leave if he sees a more appealing situation but from our POV, we will try to re-sign him and i'm going to think derozan type money for 4 years. i would not want to give him 5 years tho.
Nalod@ 5/8/2017 3:29 PM
djsunyc wrote:so after being so bad for so long...lowry changes the entire complexion of the franchise and you think they're ready to let him go? seriously, he is the main reason the team's fortunes turned around. he is the leader, the heart and the soul of the team.
raptors will make a serious offer. it will be up to kyle if he wants to stay or not. ujiri is about asset retention. letting him walk would mean we would have to seriously consider blowing it all up and i don't think that's the plan. just b/c we aren't championship contenders doesn't mean you tear down a good thing.
if he wants to stay, we'll sign him and then probably move him before his deal is up. letting him walk gives us nothing.
you may laugh at this but ujiri is trying to build a winning franchise/culture like the spurs east albeit at a lower level. 4 full years of about 50 win basketball with some ok playoff success. franchise respected around the league where players actually want to go now and stay. casey will be entering his 7th year coaching us - that's unheard of. keep that going for as long as you can...even if that means getting a title is never gonna happen. think indiana in the mid to late 90's. if lebron goes play baseball, we can get to the finals :)
we looked absolutely terrible vs the cavs and the last 2 w/o lowry was a no chance deal. but we could still beat every other team in the east. maybe our 50 win run is coming up...maybe sooner than expected but if we bring everyone back and make a few tweaks with some internal development, we're right back at 50 wins and 2nd round. we just got caught in the cavs bracket this time around.
getting back to lowry - he can leave if he sees a more appealing situation but from our POV, we will try to re-sign him and i'm going to think derozan type money for 4 years. i would not want to give him 5 years tho.
settler.......
djsunyc@ 5/8/2017 3:34 PM
Nalod wrote:settler.......
Nalod@ 5/8/2017 3:45 PM
djsunyc wrote:
Nalod wrote:settler.......
Perfect!!!!
Actually your thesis is a good one, the team can stay in contention, build a strong base and perhaps make a magical run. Blowing it up is rarely a good thing.
Vmart@ 5/8/2017 4:32 PM
djsunyc wrote:so after being so bad for so long...lowry changes the entire complexion of the franchise and you think they're ready to let him go? seriously, he is the main reason the team's fortunes turned around. he is the leader, the heart and the soul of the team.
raptors will make a serious offer. it will be up to kyle if he wants to stay or not. ujiri is about asset retention. letting him walk would mean we would have to seriously consider blowing it all up and i don't think that's the plan. just b/c we aren't championship contenders doesn't mean you tear down a good thing.
if he wants to stay, we'll sign him and then probably move him before his deal is up. letting him walk gives us nothing.
you may laugh at this but ujiri is trying to build a winning franchise/culture like the spurs east albeit at a lower level. 4 full years of about 50 win basketball with some ok playoff success. franchise respected around the league where players actually want to go now and stay. casey will be entering his 7th year coaching us - that's unheard of. keep that going for as long as you can...even if that means getting a title is never gonna happen. think indiana in the mid to late 90's. if lebron goes play baseball, we can get to the finals :)
we looked absolutely terrible vs the cavs and the last 2 w/o lowry was a no chance deal. but we could still beat every other team in the east. maybe our 50 win run is coming up...maybe sooner than expected but if we bring everyone back and make a few tweaks with some internal development, we're right back at 50 wins and 2nd round. we just got caught in the cavs bracket this time around.
getting back to lowry - he can leave if he sees a more appealing situation but from our POV, we will try to re-sign him and i'm going to think derozan type money for 4 years. i would not want to give him 5 years tho.
You just said you were happy with the playoffs as a Raptor fan you still get the playoffs. Instead of giving Lowry the contract you might get someone else.
Bonn1997@ 5/8/2017 5:20 PM
Vmart wrote:
djsunyc wrote:so after being so bad for so long...lowry changes the entire complexion of the franchise and you think they're ready to let him go? seriously, he is the main reason the team's fortunes turned around. he is the leader, the heart and the soul of the team.
raptors will make a serious offer. it will be up to kyle if he wants to stay or not. ujiri is about asset retention. letting him walk would mean we would have to seriously consider blowing it all up and i don't think that's the plan. just b/c we aren't championship contenders doesn't mean you tear down a good thing.
if he wants to stay, we'll sign him and then probably move him before his deal is up. letting him walk gives us nothing.
you may laugh at this but ujiri is trying to build a winning franchise/culture like the spurs east albeit at a lower level. 4 full years of about 50 win basketball with some ok playoff success. franchise respected around the league where players actually want to go now and stay. casey will be entering his 7th year coaching us - that's unheard of. keep that going for as long as you can...even if that means getting a title is never gonna happen. think indiana in the mid to late 90's. if lebron goes play baseball, we can get to the finals :)
we looked absolutely terrible vs the cavs and the last 2 w/o lowry was a no chance deal. but we could still beat every other team in the east. maybe our 50 win run is coming up...maybe sooner than expected but if we bring everyone back and make a few tweaks with some internal development, we're right back at 50 wins and 2nd round. we just got caught in the cavs bracket this time around.
getting back to lowry - he can leave if he sees a more appealing situation but from our POV, we will try to re-sign him and i'm going to think derozan type money for 4 years. i would not want to give him 5 years tho.
You just said you were happy with the playoffs as a Raptor fan you still get the playoffs. Instead of giving Lowry the contract you might get someone else.
I don't think they have enough money for a max contract player and it's hard to attract top players to Canada. If they lose Lowry, I think they'd probably still squeeze into the playoffs but there's a legit chance they're just a lottery team.
Vmart@ 5/8/2017 5:49 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
djsunyc wrote:so after being so bad for so long...lowry changes the entire complexion of the franchise and you think they're ready to let him go? seriously, he is the main reason the team's fortunes turned around. he is the leader, the heart and the soul of the team.
raptors will make a serious offer. it will be up to kyle if he wants to stay or not. ujiri is about asset retention. letting him walk would mean we would have to seriously consider blowing it all up and i don't think that's the plan. just b/c we aren't championship contenders doesn't mean you tear down a good thing.
if he wants to stay, we'll sign him and then probably move him before his deal is up. letting him walk gives us nothing.
you may laugh at this but ujiri is trying to build a winning franchise/culture like the spurs east albeit at a lower level. 4 full years of about 50 win basketball with some ok playoff success. franchise respected around the league where players actually want to go now and stay. casey will be entering his 7th year coaching us - that's unheard of. keep that going for as long as you can...even if that means getting a title is never gonna happen. think indiana in the mid to late 90's. if lebron goes play baseball, we can get to the finals :)
we looked absolutely terrible vs the cavs and the last 2 w/o lowry was a no chance deal. but we could still beat every other team in the east. maybe our 50 win run is coming up...maybe sooner than expected but if we bring everyone back and make a few tweaks with some internal development, we're right back at 50 wins and 2nd round. we just got caught in the cavs bracket this time around.
getting back to lowry - he can leave if he sees a more appealing situation but from our POV, we will try to re-sign him and i'm going to think derozan type money for 4 years. i would not want to give him 5 years tho.
You just said you were happy with the playoffs as a Raptor fan you still get the playoffs. Instead of giving Lowry the contract you might get someone else.
I don't think they have enough money for a max contract player and it's hard to attract top players to Canada. If they lose Lowry, I think they'd probably still squeeze into the playoffs but there's a legit chance they're just a lottery team.
He isn't a max player and it would be the worst decision since well Melo NTC by Phil. I wouldn't give Lowery a deal it's a huge mistake. Also I don't think Toronto loses a beat going with Joesph.
GustavBahler@ 5/8/2017 11:53 PM
Lowry will get his share of good offers....
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djsunyc wrote:so after being so bad for so long...lowry changes the entire complexion of the franchise and you think they're ready to let him go? seriously, he is the main reason the team's fortunes turned around. he is the leader, the heart and the soul of the team.
raptors will make a serious offer. it will be up to kyle if he wants to stay or not. ujiri is about asset retention. letting him walk would mean we would have to seriously consider blowing it all up and i don't think that's the plan. just b/c we aren't championship contenders doesn't mean you tear down a good thing.
if he wants to stay, we'll sign him and then probably move him before his deal is up. letting him walk gives us nothing.
you may laugh at this but ujiri is trying to build a winning franchise/culture like the spurs east albeit at a lower level. 4 full years of about 50 win basketball with some ok playoff success. franchise respected around the league where players actually want to go now and stay. casey will be entering his 7th year coaching us - that's unheard of. keep that going for as long as you can...even if that means getting a title is never gonna happen. think indiana in the mid to late 90's. if lebron goes play baseball, we can get to the finals :)
we looked absolutely terrible vs the cavs and the last 2 w/o lowry was a no chance deal. but we could still beat every other team in the east. maybe our 50 win run is coming up...maybe sooner than expected but if we bring everyone back and make a few tweaks with some internal development, we're right back at 50 wins and 2nd round. we just got caught in the cavs bracket this time around.
getting back to lowry - he can leave if he sees a more appealing situation but from our POV, we will try to re-sign him and i'm going to think derozan type money for 4 years. i would not want to give him 5 years tho.
You just said you were happy with the playoffs as a Raptor fan you still get the playoffs. Instead of giving Lowry the contract you might get someone else.
I don't think they have enough money for a max contract player and it's hard to attract top players to Canada. If they lose Lowry, I think they'd probably still squeeze into the playoffs but there's a legit chance they're just a lottery team.
I'm pretty sure he will be asking for Mike Conley type money even though he is older but he has been a better player than Conley so far.
smackeddog@ 5/9/2017 5:15 AM
GustavBahler wrote:Lowry will get his share of good offers....
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I wouldn't be surprised, but whoever gives him a max is going to regret it in a couple of years- same with CP3
Bonn1997@ 5/9/2017 6:30 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
djsunyc wrote:so after being so bad for so long...lowry changes the entire complexion of the franchise and you think they're ready to let him go? seriously, he is the main reason the team's fortunes turned around. he is the leader, the heart and the soul of the team.
raptors will make a serious offer. it will be up to kyle if he wants to stay or not. ujiri is about asset retention. letting him walk would mean we would have to seriously consider blowing it all up and i don't think that's the plan. just b/c we aren't championship contenders doesn't mean you tear down a good thing.
if he wants to stay, we'll sign him and then probably move him before his deal is up. letting him walk gives us nothing.
you may laugh at this but ujiri is trying to build a winning franchise/culture like the spurs east albeit at a lower level. 4 full years of about 50 win basketball with some ok playoff success. franchise respected around the league where players actually want to go now and stay. casey will be entering his 7th year coaching us - that's unheard of. keep that going for as long as you can...even if that means getting a title is never gonna happen. think indiana in the mid to late 90's. if lebron goes play baseball, we can get to the finals :)
we looked absolutely terrible vs the cavs and the last 2 w/o lowry was a no chance deal. but we could still beat every other team in the east. maybe our 50 win run is coming up...maybe sooner than expected but if we bring everyone back and make a few tweaks with some internal development, we're right back at 50 wins and 2nd round. we just got caught in the cavs bracket this time around.
getting back to lowry - he can leave if he sees a more appealing situation but from our POV, we will try to re-sign him and i'm going to think derozan type money for 4 years. i would not want to give him 5 years tho.
You just said you were happy with the playoffs as a Raptor fan you still get the playoffs. Instead of giving Lowry the contract you might get someone else.
I don't think they have enough money for a max contract player and it's hard to attract top players to Canada. If they lose Lowry, I think they'd probably still squeeze into the playoffs but there's a legit chance they're just a lottery team.
I'm pretty sure he will be asking for Mike Conley type money even though he is older but he has been a better player than Conley so far.
Yeah, I think it will take around $150 mil to get him. If they can do that without a trade kicker or NTC, I think they have to. He'd still have tremendous trade value to a team that's over the cap and competing for a title. VMart and I will probably have to agree to disagree but from the info. I'd look at, I'd say he is a superstar, max contract player. He's not a big name, high PPG player. He's a guy who actually has a big impact on team wins. The only issue is how he will age.
djsunyc@ 5/9/2017 1:39 PM
lowry is the heart and soul of this team. he is the player that turned his all around. at times, he's played like the 2nd best player in the east. he has been that good for us and his leadership and impact can not be quantified. think of it this way - he's the antithesis of melo on the knicks.
btw, here's what our gm had to say after this past few years of success and what happened this year. it's a good listen if you have the time.
