http://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/arti...Remember when he was driven out of NY, when he was considered a bad coach, and was destroyed on this forum? Like he didn't know what he was doing.
Weird that he wins coach of the year before the Knicks, and wins the coach of the year after he leaves the Knicks. So what was the factor that suddenly made him a bad coach?
How often does someone come to the James Dolan Show and get destroyed? How many more will? Keep pretending some draft pick, some coach, some trade is going to change this.
A lot of that him being drove out was on Melo and him not getting ...... but to be fair we didn't have him coaching any PG's near Harden's level so his system was always Janky.
The Knicks never fully supported MDA! It's not like it was a secret what he needed either.
Dolan is staying out of things now! Phil will be able to focus on adding the kind of 2 Way Team Oriented players he wants. I think the kids showed a small glimpse of what this can look like moving forward!
I always felt MDA got a bad rap here. he was put into a bad situation. However there were good times. The first half of the 2010-11 season where Amare and Felton were playing like all-stars and obviously linsanity were the highlights of the MDA era. Good guy and I'm happy for him
He tried to implement a similar system and begged Melo to play a distributor type role where he would still get his shots within the flow of the offense and we all know how that ended. Everyone who trolled D'Antoni to death and pounder their chests about Woodson being the right coach can enlighten us why that wooden headed non coach never had a head coaching job in tbe NBA since getting his ass fired by Phil.
Everything is about fit. He went to the perfect team and joined the perfect GM to employ his style of offensive basketball. They already had a roster built to play his brand of bball when he arrived but then they added Anderson, Gordan, and Williams to provide even more fire power.
yellowboy90 wrote:Everything is about fit. He went to the perfect team and joined the perfect GM to employ his style of offensive basketball. They already had a roster built to play his brand of bball when he arrived but then they added Anderson, Gordan, and Williams to provide even more fire power.
Super smart decisions! They went with their strength and then enhanced those strengths. Everyone is on the same page. Harden and the team fully bought in!
Good for him...
He was one draft slot away from possibly still being our coach right now...
This is a coach who HAS to have a certain type of player leading things...a guy who can penetrate, pass, and shoot.
I still have a problem understanding why the Knicks didn't take one of the other PGs in that draft.
I know we had Holiday in twice, but still took a player-Hill who I never liked, and never even considered to be a possible pick for us.
I still can't get over the Hill pick...so strange considering the fact that we had MDA as coach.
WaltLongmire wrote:Good for him...He was one draft slot away from possibly still being our coach right now...
This is a coach who HAS to have a certain type of player leading things...a guy who can penetrate, pass, and shoot.
I still have a problem understanding why the Knicks didn't take one of the other PGs in that draft.
I know we had Holiday in twice, but still took a player-Hill who I never liked, and never even considered to be a possible pick for us.
I still can't get over the Hill pick...so strange considering the fact that we had MDA as coach.
and don't forget, Kahn passed over Curry TWICE!!!! Ouch!
Glad for MDA.
Yes, we destroy people. Chaney was a former Coach of the year and did pretty good with what he had here.
We Had Don Nelson who wanted to run, in 1996 but got undercut by Ewing. We hire JVG, who lucks into a finals with team he did not like, and Grunfeld gets canned in conflict!
Walsh ended up in a Wheel chair. MDA needed a new Knee, Isiah nearly killed himself over dosing on Sleeping pills. He even pouched that up.
MSG is just not a good place.
nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Everything is about fit. He went to the perfect team and joined the perfect GM to employ his style of offensive basketball. They already had a roster built to play his brand of bball when he arrived but then they added Anderson, Gordan, and Williams to provide even more fire power.
Super smart decisions! They went with their strength and then enhanced those strengths. Everyone is on the same page. Harden and the team fully bought in!
Yeah, it was smart but I do not know where they go from here. I am not seeing a high upside in their future. That Ryan Anderson deal was not a smart long term deal. They will need to find a low cost defensive wing going forward that can play elite defense to make the jump to the next level of real contention in my opinion.
yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Everything is about fit. He went to the perfect team and joined the perfect GM to employ his style of offensive basketball. They already had a roster built to play his brand of bball when he arrived but then they added Anderson, Gordan, and Williams to provide even more fire power.
Super smart decisions! They went with their strength and then enhanced those strengths. Everyone is on the same page. Harden and the team fully bought in!
Yeah, it was smart but I do not know where they go from here. I am not seeing a high upside in their future. That Ryan Anderson deal was not a smart long term deal. They will need to find a low cost defensive wing going forward that can play elite defense to make the jump to the next level of real contention in my opinion.
The only thing you can do is get close and see how far you get then assess what was missing. They have a shot to get to the WCF's and that's a good start.
I think Popovic deserved this- that Spurs roster is no where near as talented as their record. D'Antoni did a great job this year though
toodarkmark wrote:http://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/arti...Remember when he was driven out of NY, when he was considered a bad coach, and was destroyed on this forum? Like he didn't know what he was doing.
Weird that he wins coach of the year before the Knicks, and wins the coach of the year after he leaves the Knicks. So what was the factor that suddenly made him a bad coach?
How often does someone come to the James Dolan Show and get destroyed? How many more will? Keep pretending some draft pick, some coach, some trade is going to change this.
Remember his stint with the Lakers?
I wasn't a fan of D'Antoni, especially since he made a point of not hiring a defensive specialist as the media had got inside his head. He relented on that in Houston and it's one of the reasons they're doing well.
Agree with the point about how we trash people and make out they're bums- currently doing it with Phil.
smackeddog wrote:toodarkmark wrote:http://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/arti...Remember when he was driven out of NY, when he was considered a bad coach, and was destroyed on this forum? Like he didn't know what he was doing.
Weird that he wins coach of the year before the Knicks, and wins the coach of the year after he leaves the Knicks. So what was the factor that suddenly made him a bad coach?
How often does someone come to the James Dolan Show and get destroyed? How many more will? Keep pretending some draft pick, some coach, some trade is going to change this.
Remember his stint with the Lakers?
I wasn't a fan of D'Antoni, especially since he made a point of not hiring a defensive specialist as the media had got inside his head. He relented on that in Houston and it's one of the reasons they're doing well.
Agree with the point about how we trash people and make out they're bums- currently doing it with Phil.
Well there is a difference there, D’Antoni won coach of the year and created a brand new type of Basketball before coming to the Knicks so a lot of us knew what he could do. On the other hand, Phil the president (Not Phil the coach) has not done much at the executive level so we don’t really know if he can build a good team yet. Coaching and building teams are two different things, only time will tell if Phil is any good as a president of a basketball team.
D'Antoni may have been given a bad rap here, but he still played dribble, dribble, CHCUK! here when his best players were at SF and PF. HHis design relied on Chris Duhon. Then he went to LA and failed to the point where Jeanie Buss got to wrestle away ownership from her idiot brother
D'Antoni may do what he does extremely well, but he needs certain types of players - none of which were ever on our roster
SupremeCommander wrote:D'Antoni may have been given a bad rap here, but he still played dribble, dribble, CHCUK! here when his best players were at SF and PF. HHis design relied on Chris Duhon. Then he went to LA and failed to the point where Jeanie Buss got to wrestle away ownership from her idiot brotherD'Antoni may do what he does extremely well, but he needs certain types of players - none of which were ever on our roster
Nothing wrong with a System coach as long as you accept that he's got to be supported by the GM by giving him the right players!!! You don't work against him.
SupremeCommander wrote:D'Antoni may have been given a bad rap here, but he still played dribble, dribble, CHCUK! here when his best players were at SF and PF. HHis design relied on Chris Duhon. Then he went to LA and failed to the point where Jeanie Buss got to wrestle away ownership from her idiot brotherD'Antoni may do what he does extremely well, but he needs certain types of players - none of which were ever on our roster
You give MDA a halfway decent PG and he will turn them into a allstar, but he will also run his players into the ground midway through the season if their not in the best of shape or can endure the heavy min.
You give him a roster with no pg, or leader, and the entire squad has the green light to fire at will, causing for a total disregard for every other part of the game.
Melo wasn't the reason (entirely) why he felt defeated as the HC of the knicks..trading for melo with out having a say, and not focusing on getting him the type of player(even with melo) he needed to run his offense was destine for failure.
I love MDA style and his blunt honesty..
Duhon had his career nights under MDA remember the 24 assists game that was all MDA system.
nixluva wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:D'Antoni may have been given a bad rap here, but he still played dribble, dribble, CHCUK! here when his best players were at SF and PF. HHis design relied on Chris Duhon. Then he went to LA and failed to the point where Jeanie Buss got to wrestle away ownership from her idiot brotherD'Antoni may do what he does extremely well, but he needs certain types of players - none of which were ever on our roster
Nothing wrong with a System coach as long as you accept that he's got to be supported by the GM by giving him the right players!!! You don't work against him.
nope - nothing wrong indeed - I guess I would have preferred him to have not coached the team though if he was unwilling to alter his style. 
didn't build the Knicks but he certainly did not play to the teams strengths. He had Melo in the corner like he was Steve Novak.
D'Antoni won COY and he deserved it... Just wasn't the right fit here. Houston on the other hand is committed to the pace and space philosophy and is loaded with playmakers and shooters. is a good fit with Morey and was kind of the perfect fit, with aligning philosophies
Hopefully one day in the not too distant future our front office and our coaches will all buy-in to the same philosophy and support each other... maybe... one day...
SupremeCommander wrote:D'Antoni may have been given a bad rap here, but he still played dribble, dribble, CHCUK! here when his best players were at SF and PF. HHis design relied on Chris Duhon. Then he went to LA and failed to the point where Jeanie Buss got to wrestle away ownership from her idiot brotherD'Antoni may do what he does extremely well, but he needs certain types of players - none of which were ever on our roster
This. I'm glad for him, but his stubbornness is part of the reason he failed to get max results. Every team isn't going to have a Nash or Harden to run your offense. I felt he never adjusted the way he needed to here. That said, the Lakers and Knicks have been two of the most dysfunctional teams in recent memory.The blame doesn't fall entirely on .
