Knicks · Poll of two PGs (page 2)
BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I do not really like Fox at all. He has a higher bust potential because unlike Frank he doesn't have the ability to move to the off guard spot.Honestly, Dennis Smith Jr could probably end up the better pg on both sides of the ball.
Another possibility to consider--Fox may be too fast for the Knicks believe it or not.
We don't want top picks cause they may be too good for the Knicks? WTF dude
lol Im not saying that--I have to wonder if Fox is too fast for KP and Willy--and maybe even the triangle. I prefer Fox myself.
still not making sense man!
yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I do not really like Fox at all. He has a higher bust potential because unlike Frank he doesn't have the ability to move to the off guard spot.Honestly, Dennis Smith Jr could probably end up the better pg on both sides of the ball.
OK now come on! Fox has a LOWER bust potential because he's Elite Speed and Athletic ability! He's going to be a BLUR even at the NBA level. SPEED KILLS! Especially in a PG that's about 6-3 or 6-4.
We all saw what Fox was like under pressure and he raised his level of play. He's great now and if his jumper improves he only gets better.A lot of PGs have had elite speed. He is not great now. He is good now. If he was great now he would be talked about as a top 3 player.
The guy average under 5 ast and yet people think he is a great distributor. He has a lot of work to do. To me a Fox type player will be available in drafts to come.
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Come on--the last ten games of a college player IS much more important than his first ten games against cupcakes. This is a freshmen who was hurt and sick for parts of the year. He was dominant head to head against Ball. How about a freshmen whose game came together? If he shot like that all year we would be talking potential #1 pick
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I do not really like Fox at all. He has a higher bust potential because unlike Frank he doesn't have the ability to move to the off guard spot.Honestly, Dennis Smith Jr could probably end up the better pg on both sides of the ball.
OK now come on! Fox has a LOWER bust potential because he's Elite Speed and Athletic ability! He's going to be a BLUR even at the NBA level. SPEED KILLS! Especially in a PG that's about 6-3 or 6-4.
We all saw what Fox was like under pressure and he raised his level of play. He's great now and if his jumper improves he only gets better.If you can't shoot 3's why on earth is he even a topic of discussion, you want rose Prt 2..I don't want any player that can knock down a 3 consistently, Not in todays league, especially in this jump shooting system.
You make a very valid point. Being able to hit threes is a priority in today's NBA.
Vmart wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I do not really like Fox at all. He has a higher bust potential because unlike Frank he doesn't have the ability to move to the off guard spot.Honestly, Dennis Smith Jr could probably end up the better pg on both sides of the ball.
OK now come on! Fox has a LOWER bust potential because he's Elite Speed and Athletic ability! He's going to be a BLUR even at the NBA level. SPEED KILLS! Especially in a PG that's about 6-3 or 6-4.
We all saw what Fox was like under pressure and he raised his level of play. He's great now and if his jumper improves he only gets better.If you can't shoot 3's why on earth is he even a topic of discussion, you want rose Prt 2..I don't want any player that can knock down a 3 consistently, Not in todays league, especially in this jump shooting system.
You make a very valid point. Being able to hit threes is a priority in today's NBA.
Fox is going to improve his shooting. He's already shown progress IMO. Fox closed the year strong shooting much better!
nixluva wrote:Vmart wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I do not really like Fox at all. He has a higher bust potential because unlike Frank he doesn't have the ability to move to the off guard spot.Honestly, Dennis Smith Jr could probably end up the better pg on both sides of the ball.
OK now come on! Fox has a LOWER bust potential because he's Elite Speed and Athletic ability! He's going to be a BLUR even at the NBA level. SPEED KILLS! Especially in a PG that's about 6-3 or 6-4.
We all saw what Fox was like under pressure and he raised his level of play. He's great now and if his jumper improves he only gets better.If you can't shoot 3's why on earth is he even a topic of discussion, you want rose Prt 2..I don't want any player that can knock down a 3 consistently, Not in todays league, especially in this jump shooting system.
You make a very valid point. Being able to hit threes is a priority in today's NBA.
Fox is going to improve his shooting. He's already shown progress IMO. Fox closed the year strong shooting much better!
That is not always a given. I'm sure Orlando thought the same when they drafted Payton that hasn't really panned out for them.
Vmart wrote:nixluva wrote:Vmart wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I do not really like Fox at all. He has a higher bust potential because unlike Frank he doesn't have the ability to move to the off guard spot.Honestly, Dennis Smith Jr could probably end up the better pg on both sides of the ball.
OK now come on! Fox has a LOWER bust potential because he's Elite Speed and Athletic ability! He's going to be a BLUR even at the NBA level. SPEED KILLS! Especially in a PG that's about 6-3 or 6-4.
We all saw what Fox was like under pressure and he raised his level of play. He's great now and if his jumper improves he only gets better.If you can't shoot 3's why on earth is he even a topic of discussion, you want rose Prt 2..I don't want any player that can knock down a 3 consistently, Not in todays league, especially in this jump shooting system.
You make a very valid point. Being able to hit threes is a priority in today's NBA.
Fox is going to improve his shooting. He's already shown progress IMO. Fox closed the year strong shooting much better!
That is not always a given. I'm sure Orlando thought the same when they drafted Payton that hasn't really panned out for them.
I'm not talking odds. I'm saying that I see Fox starting to improve already. I think he simply needed more focus on his shooting and that he doesn't lack shooting talent. Super quick kids sometimes fail to put in the work on their jumper since they can succeed without a jumper at the High School level.
Fox doesn't have to be a great shooter. Just needs to be good and he can get there from what I've seen.
yellowboy90 wrote:I do not really like Fox at all. He has a higher bust potential because unlike Frank he doesn't have the ability to move to the off guard spot.Honestly, Dennis Smith Jr could probably end up the better pg on both sides of the ball.
+1. I don't see the hype behind Fox but I have a history of chronically undervaluing Kentucky products (see KAT). But I'm not sold on Fox being an elite playmaker on the next level and his lack of a jumper worries me that it might not be a repetition thing with him.
Insofar as what we run, I think Ntilikina is the better fit because of his ability to move without the ball, space the floor and be a good positional defender but I'd still go with Dennis Smith Jr if he's on the board. I think that Dennis has more star power and can operate in sets that are conducive to the spread offense teams are running now. When I see him, I see a James Harden prototype. Problem is that he does not have a triangle-friendly skillset, which makes me skeptical of his ability to grow with us....even though Phil won't be around forever. But all things even and I go with Smith.
Our best case scenario though might be to trade back to whatever pick Ntilikina is and recoup an asset with him. If he can linger on the board until the Pistons pick, I'd try to swap Smith for he and Stanley Johnson.
nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I do not really like Fox at all. He has a higher bust potential because unlike Frank he doesn't have the ability to move to the off guard spot.Honestly, Dennis Smith Jr could probably end up the better pg on both sides of the ball.
OK now come on! Fox has a LOWER bust potential because he's Elite Speed and Athletic ability! He's going to be a BLUR even at the NBA level. SPEED KILLS! Especially in a PG that's about 6-3 or 6-4.
We all saw what Fox was like under pressure and he raised his level of play. He's great now and if his jumper improves he only gets better.
Two words: Emmanuel Mudiay.
NardDogNation wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I do not really like Fox at all. He has a higher bust potential because unlike Frank he doesn't have the ability to move to the off guard spot.Honestly, Dennis Smith Jr could probably end up the better pg on both sides of the ball.
OK now come on! Fox has a LOWER bust potential because he's Elite Speed and Athletic ability! He's going to be a BLUR even at the NBA level. SPEED KILLS! Especially in a PG that's about 6-3 or 6-4.
We all saw what Fox was like under pressure and he raised his level of play. He's great now and if his jumper improves he only gets better.Two words: Emmanuel Mudiay.
To be fair, we have a lot more info on Fox. Mudiay wasted time in a league where JR. Smith dominated with a 50 ppg avg. The Mudiay comparisons could apply to the French kid and Ferguson though.
BRIGGS wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I do not really like Fox at all. He has a higher bust potential because unlike Frank he doesn't have the ability to move to the off guard spot.Honestly, Dennis Smith Jr could probably end up the better pg on both sides of the ball.
Another possibility to consider--Fox may be too fast for the Knicks believe it or not.
Ummmmmmmmmm what?? Now i've heard it all.
NardDogNation wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I do not really like Fox at all. He has a higher bust potential because unlike Frank he doesn't have the ability to move to the off guard spot.Honestly, Dennis Smith Jr could probably end up the better pg on both sides of the ball.
OK now come on! Fox has a LOWER bust potential because he's Elite Speed and Athletic ability! He's going to be a BLUR even at the NBA level. SPEED KILLS! Especially in a PG that's about 6-3 or 6-4.
We all saw what Fox was like under pressure and he raised his level of play. He's great now and if his jumper improves he only gets better.Two words: Emmanuel Mudiay.
Fox is a better prospect than Mudiay. Fox was in the crucible and demonstrated the kind of take the game by the throats ability you want to see. He's got flaws but not fatal flaws. IMO it's an insult to compare Fox to Mudiay. I don't recall Mudiay at any time shooting 47% from 3pt range over a 10 game stretch.
nixluva wrote:NardDogNation wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I do not really like Fox at all. He has a higher bust potential because unlike Frank he doesn't have the ability to move to the off guard spot.Honestly, Dennis Smith Jr could probably end up the better pg on both sides of the ball.
OK now come on! Fox has a LOWER bust potential because he's Elite Speed and Athletic ability! He's going to be a BLUR even at the NBA level. SPEED KILLS! Especially in a PG that's about 6-3 or 6-4.
We all saw what Fox was like under pressure and he raised his level of play. He's great now and if his jumper improves he only gets better.Two words: Emmanuel Mudiay.
Fox is a better prospect than Mudiay. Fox was in the crucible and demonstrated the kind of take the game by the throats ability you want to see. He's got flaws but not fatal flaws. IMO it's an insult to compare Fox to Mudiay. I don't recall Mudiay at any time shooting 47% from 3pt range over a 10 game stretch.
We're talking about the physical; not skillset. Physically speaking, Mudiay's speed, strength and agility projected to be "elite", which is what the conversation was about.
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I do not really like Fox at all. He has a higher bust potential because unlike Frank he doesn't have the ability to move to the off guard spot.Honestly, Dennis Smith Jr could probably end up the better pg on both sides of the ball.
OK now come on! Fox has a LOWER bust potential because he's Elite Speed and Athletic ability! He's going to be a BLUR even at the NBA level. SPEED KILLS! Especially in a PG that's about 6-3 or 6-4.
We all saw what Fox was like under pressure and he raised his level of play. He's great now and if his jumper improves he only gets better.If you can't shoot 3's why on earth is he even a topic of discussion, you want rose Prt 2..I don't want any player that can knock down a 3 consistently, Not in todays league, especially in this jump shooting system.
D.Derozan can't knock down the 3 ball consistently but is a really good shooter from inside the 3 point line but you'd take him wouldn't you??
Vmart wrote:Fox, Monk, Nitlikina, Issac, Tatum, Jackson, Ball, Fultz, Smith. The Knicks will get someone good out of this draft. My personal preference is Jackson. But that will depend on where they draft.
I think we'd all love to have J.Jackson but that's most likely not gonna happen but as long as we come away with a player that doesn't bust and is a good starting player i'll be happy but would obviously love a stud and we sure as hell need a stud.
martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I do not really like Fox at all. He has a higher bust potential because unlike Frank he doesn't have the ability to move to the off guard spot.Honestly, Dennis Smith Jr could probably end up the better pg on both sides of the ball.
Another possibility to consider--Fox may be too fast for the Knicks believe it or not.
We don't want top picks cause they may be too good for the Knicks? WTF dude
lol Im not saying that--I have to wonder if Fox is too fast for KP and Willy--and maybe even the triangle. I prefer Fox myself.still not making sense man!
The Knicks also like the Kentucky backcourt studs of Fox and combo guard Malik Monk. But Fraschilla said Fox, who will attend the combine, will be gone by the sixth slot. Under the lottery format, the Knicks can select either 7, 8, 9, 10 or 1, 2, 3.
Fraschilla added Fox “fits most systems’’ but indicated he felt his speedy ways would be wasted in New York.
According to Fraschilla, Ntilikina’s “ability to play multiple positions’’ makes the triangle “cater more to Frank’s versatility than Fox’s speed.’’
The guy has shortcomings and shooting and passing are two of them. He would have to become a John Wall level passer to have real success in this league.
Let's look at some college PG numbers and play a game of guess who:
Player A - Ast% / 31.4% and Usg% / 18.1%
Player B - Ast% / 34.2% and Usg% / 27.2%
Player C - Ast% / 34.8% and Usg% / 25.7%
Player D - Ast% / 28.6% and Usg% / 27.6%
Player F - Ast% / 35.5% and Usg% / 31.4%
Only one player is a current NBA PG and he was also a one and done.
BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I do not really like Fox at all. He has a higher bust potential because unlike Frank he doesn't have the ability to move to the off guard spot.Honestly, Dennis Smith Jr could probably end up the better pg on both sides of the ball.
Another possibility to consider--Fox may be too fast for the Knicks believe it or not.
We don't want top picks cause they may be too good for the Knicks? WTF dude
lol Im not saying that--I have to wonder if Fox is too fast for KP and Willy--and maybe even the triangle. I prefer Fox myself.still not making sense man!
The Knicks also like the Kentucky backcourt studs of Fox and combo guard Malik Monk. But Fraschilla said Fox, who will attend the combine, will be gone by the sixth slot. Under the lottery format, the Knicks can select either 7, 8, 9, 10 or 1, 2, 3.
Fraschilla added Fox “fits most systems’’ but indicated he felt his speedy ways would be wasted in New York.
According to Fraschilla, Ntilikina’s “ability to play multiple positions’’ makes the triangle “cater more to Frank’s versatility than Fox’s speed.’’
So you read this from Frasshilla and was repeating what he said. Just because Fraschilla said it doesn't make it true.
yellowboy90 wrote:I remember a poster putting up numbers on Rose's 3pt shooting to close the season. How did those numbers work out this year. The guy shot under 25% from the college 3pt line for the whole year despite his end of year but we are suppose to draw something major from his close because he 9/19 in 10 games against mostly cupcakes; Mizzou, Alabama, TAMU, UGA, and North Kentucky. Let's get real.The guy has shortcomings and shooting and passing are two of them. He would have to become a John Wall level passer to have real success in this league.
Let's look at some college PG numbers and play a game of guess who:
Player A - Ast% / 31.4% and Usg% / 18.1%
Player B - Ast% / 34.2% and Usg% / 27.2%
Player C - Ast% / 34.8% and Usg% / 25.7%
Player D - Ast% / 28.6% and Usg% / 27.6%
Player F - Ast% / 35.5% and Usg% / 31.4%
Only one player is a current NBA PG and he was also a one and done.
Hey you're free to put your neck on the line being against Fox! It's a free country! I'm saying that I see a player that has the talent to be a great NBA player and that he's going to improve his shooting. I didn't see a player that couldn't shoot because there was some major flaw but mostly just needs to work on his shot and gain confidence as well. Fox is closer to fixing his shooting than you are willing to accept.
newyorker4ever wrote:BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I do not really like Fox at all. He has a higher bust potential because unlike Frank he doesn't have the ability to move to the off guard spot.Honestly, Dennis Smith Jr could probably end up the better pg on both sides of the ball.
Another possibility to consider--Fox may be too fast for the Knicks believe it or not.
We don't want top picks cause they may be too good for the Knicks? WTF dude
lol Im not saying that--I have to wonder if Fox is too fast for KP and Willy--and maybe even the triangle. I prefer Fox myself.still not making sense man!
The Knicks also like the Kentucky backcourt studs of Fox and combo guard Malik Monk. But Fraschilla said Fox, who will attend the combine, will be gone by the sixth slot. Under the lottery format, the Knicks can select either 7, 8, 9, 10 or 1, 2, 3.
Fraschilla added Fox “fits most systems’’ but indicated he felt his speedy ways would be wasted in New York.
According to Fraschilla, Ntilikina’s “ability to play multiple positions’’ makes the triangle “cater more to Frank’s versatility than Fox’s speed.’’
So you read this from Frasshilla and was repeating what he said. Just because Fraschilla said it doesn't make it true.
Fraschilla is wrong about the Triangle being a Walk it up Half Court offense. Yes you can run it that way but you don't have to and Jeff is NOT running it that way.
newyorker4ever wrote:BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I do not really like Fox at all. He has a higher bust potential because unlike Frank he doesn't have the ability to move to the off guard spot.Honestly, Dennis Smith Jr could probably end up the better pg on both sides of the ball.
Another possibility to consider--Fox may be too fast for the Knicks believe it or not.
We don't want top picks cause they may be too good for the Knicks? WTF dude
lol Im not saying that--I have to wonder if Fox is too fast for KP and Willy--and maybe even the triangle. I prefer Fox myself.still not making sense man!
The Knicks also like the Kentucky backcourt studs of Fox and combo guard Malik Monk. But Fraschilla said Fox, who will attend the combine, will be gone by the sixth slot. Under the lottery format, the Knicks can select either 7, 8, 9, 10 or 1, 2, 3.
Fraschilla added Fox “fits most systems’’ but indicated he felt his speedy ways would be wasted in New York.
According to Fraschilla, Ntilikina’s “ability to play multiple positions’’ makes the triangle “cater more to Frank’s versatility than Fox’s speed.’’
So you read this from Frasshilla and was repeating what he said. Just because Fraschilla said it doesn't make it true.
No I thought about this myself--and it reiterated it himself. It is possible that Fox plays to fast for the triangle--I think that makes some sense. I would take Fox personally.