Knicks · Melo dumped Dantoni (page 1)
What else is new. Ultimatum by Melo - these are the tricks he's teaching KP.
Uptown wrote:We are still talking about this s***. Melo wasnt the first or last player that wanted his coach removed. Magic got westhead fired....The problem with MDA is he can only run his system. He couldnt adapt to his roster and that was his downfall. When Riley joined the Knicks, he didnt force Ewing and Oak to play in the showtime system. He built a system that fit the roster he had...
Not every coach is the same! Many of the MOST SUCCESSFUL coaches in sports have been System coaches. There's nothing inherently wrong with it if you know who you've hired and what he's about. Knicks failed to support MDA knowing he's a system coach.
CrushAlot wrote:That has always been speculated but when the new gm hires his college roommate to be the associate head coach in charge of defense, amnesties your point guard, signs a marquee traditional center and gives you Toney Douglas to run your system for the last year of the deal the writing is on the wall.
exactly, but the haters will pin it on one player..melo
never mind the BS rosters like this, and this was just the 09/10 season his 2nd season
Earl Barron
Jonathan Bender
Wilson Chandler SG
Eddy Curry C
Toney Douglas PG
Chris Duhon
Danilo Gallinari
J.R. Giddens SF
Al Harrington PF
Jordan Hill PF 50
Eddie House SG
Larry Hughes SG
Jared Jeffries PF
Marcus Landry SF
David Lee C
Tracy McGrady SG
Darko Milicic
Nate Robinson PG
Sergio Rodriguez PG
Henry Walker
2011/12
Anthony, Carmelo (C)
G 20 Bibby, Mike
C 6 Chandler, Tyson
G 85 Davis, Baron
G 23 Douglas, Toney
G 2 Fields, Landry
C 50 Gadzuric, Dan
C 55 Harrellson, Josh
F 9 Jeffries, Jared
C 44 Jordan, Jerome
G 17 Lin, Jeremy
F 16 Novak, Steve
G 21 Shumpert, Iman
G 8 Smith, J. R.
F/C 1 Stoudemire, Amar'e (C)
pure trash
I don't know...maybe he should have listened to MDA instead of doing ultimatum?
Uptown wrote:We are still talking about this s***. Melo wasnt the first or last player that wanted his coach removed. Magic got westhead fired....The problem with MDA is he can only run his system. He couldnt adapt to his roster and that was his downfall. When Riley joined the Knicks, he didnt force Ewing and Oak to play in the showtime system. He built a system that fit the roster he had...
Melo is doing the same to Phil. The problem is Melo just wants to play his way. He isn't going to buy into any plan unless he's a guy trying to fit into a already winning situation... like the olympic team. Melo needs to go to an already functioning playoff team. That's the only way he's going to be productive. The Knicks are not abou that life right now. We are rebuilding
EnySpree wrote:Uptown wrote:We are still talking about this s***. Melo wasnt the first or last player that wanted his coach removed. Magic got westhead fired....The problem with MDA is he can only run his system. He couldnt adapt to his roster and that was his downfall. When Riley joined the Knicks, he didnt force Ewing and Oak to play in the showtime system. He built a system that fit the roster he had...Melo is doing the same to Phil. The problem is Melo just wants to play his way. He isn't going to buy into any plan unless he's a guy trying to fit into a already winning situation... like the olympic team. Melo needs to go to an already functioning playoff team. That's the only way he's going to be productive. The Knicks are not abou that life right now. We are rebuilding
AMEN! HALLELUJAH!
Paris907 wrote:http://www.slamonline.com/nba/carmelo-anthony-ultimatum-knicks-mike-dantoni/?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral#YjwFOJ1uZApq0RgQ.97What else is new. Ultimatum by Melo - these are the tricks he's teaching KP.
Similar conversation on other thread. But okay...Whats wrong with the lesson? If your coach goes 121 and 167 and then gives a D league caliber PG the reins, he has clearly lost all credibility and needs to go. KP should be taught not to accept losing. So when is a good time for players to force a change?
Hard to argue that Melo was wrong as he won 54 games the following year and had his best year as a Knick. Why exactly did we need to stick with Dantoni? He had a terrible record. Negative player sentiment. And no defensive structure. Think most that argue in favor of MDA and Lin seem to have trouble giving valid reasons. Except for their blind belief that they would have magically taken us to the finals.
Glad he is past his failure here. And cant trash him for winning the inaugural NBCA award, which takes community service into account. But as for coaching merit alone, keep in mind that Houston has this years MVP, great 3pt shooters and a bench that makes our 54 win team look like a bunch of back ups. And lets not forget he did not exactly kill it, after being forced out, until he was handed his current roster. But hope they dont give Coach of the year to Lue or Kerr. Think they give it to Stevens or Snyder.
nixluva wrote:Uptown wrote:We are still talking about this s***. Melo wasnt the first or last player that wanted his coach removed. Magic got westhead fired....The problem with MDA is he can only run his system. He couldnt adapt to his roster and that was his downfall. When Riley joined the Knicks, he didnt force Ewing and Oak to play in the showtime system. He built a system that fit the roster he had...Not every coach is the same! Many of the MOST SUCCESSFUL coaches in sports have been System coaches. There's nothing inherently wrong with it if you know who you've hired and what he's about. Knicks failed to support MDA knowing he's a system coach.
System coaches are fine if you have the right pieces...If you have a roster and or your best player that doesn't fit your system, you adjust accordingly.
I love Don Nelson and his innovated rosters and line ups. He was ahead of his time; one of the first coaches to play position-less basketball, particularly with that 1987 and 88 Bucks team which is what most teams are doing in today's games. However, I didn't believe he had the right roster to play the system he wanted with Ewing, Oak etc. He should have adjusted to the roster...With that said, lets not pretend Ewing didn't have a hand in firing Nelson.
Uptown wrote:nixluva wrote:Uptown wrote:We are still talking about this s***. Melo wasnt the first or last player that wanted his coach removed. Magic got westhead fired....The problem with MDA is he can only run his system. He couldnt adapt to his roster and that was his downfall. When Riley joined the Knicks, he didnt force Ewing and Oak to play in the showtime system. He built a system that fit the roster he had...Not every coach is the same! Many of the MOST SUCCESSFUL coaches in sports have been System coaches. There's nothing inherently wrong with it if you know who you've hired and what he's about. Knicks failed to support MDA knowing he's a system coach.
System coaches are fine if you have the right pieces...If you have a roster and or your best player that doesn't fit your system, you adjust accordingly.
I love Don Nelson and his innovated rosters and line ups. He was ahead of his time; one of the first coaches to play position-less basketball, particularly with that 1987 and 88 Bucks team which is what most teams are doing in today's games. However, I didn't believe he had the right roster to play the system he wanted with Ewing, Oak etc. He should have adjusted to the roster...With that said, lets not pretend Ewing didn't have a hand in firing Nelson.
There's a huge amount of certainty when you have a system. You know the roles and needs personnel wise. The Knicks could easily have supported MDA and given him the players he needed! It's not like it was a mystery. If you invest in a coach like MDA it's beyond stupid to then work against him.
Uptown wrote:nixluva wrote:Uptown wrote:We are still talking about this s***. Melo wasnt the first or last player that wanted his coach removed. Magic got westhead fired....The problem with MDA is he can only run his system. He couldnt adapt to his roster and that was his downfall. When Riley joined the Knicks, he didnt force Ewing and Oak to play in the showtime system. He built a system that fit the roster he had...Not every coach is the same! Many of the MOST SUCCESSFUL coaches in sports have been System coaches. There's nothing inherently wrong with it if you know who you've hired and what he's about. Knicks failed to support MDA knowing he's a system coach.
System coaches are fine if you have the right pieces...If you have a roster and or your best player that doesn't fit your system, you adjust accordingly.
I love Don Nelson and his innovated rosters and line ups. He was ahead of his time; one of the first coaches to play position-less basketball, particularly with that 1987 and 88 Bucks team which is what most teams are doing in today's games. However, I didn't believe he had the right roster to play the system he wanted with Ewing, Oak etc. He should have adjusted to the roster...With that said, lets not pretend Ewing didn't have a hand in firing Nelson.
Nelson was correct in trying to get away from Ewing. Fast forward just a couple seasons, the Knicks were in the finals playing the same way Nelson wanted to play.... and ironically Ewing was not a primary option anymore and it was great. Ewing got hurt and traded. Then we hired a Utah exec to fix us.... That's that bullshit. If you don't know your history you are doomed to repeat.
EnySpree wrote:Uptown wrote:nixluva wrote:Uptown wrote:We are still talking about this s***. Melo wasnt the first or last player that wanted his coach removed. Magic got westhead fired....The problem with MDA is he can only run his system. He couldnt adapt to his roster and that was his downfall. When Riley joined the Knicks, he didnt force Ewing and Oak to play in the showtime system. He built a system that fit the roster he had...Not every coach is the same! Many of the MOST SUCCESSFUL coaches in sports have been System coaches. There's nothing inherently wrong with it if you know who you've hired and what he's about. Knicks failed to support MDA knowing he's a system coach.
System coaches are fine if you have the right pieces...If you have a roster and or your best player that doesn't fit your system, you adjust accordingly.
I love Don Nelson and his innovated rosters and line ups. He was ahead of his time; one of the first coaches to play position-less basketball, particularly with that 1987 and 88 Bucks team which is what most teams are doing in today's games. However, I didn't believe he had the right roster to play the system he wanted with Ewing, Oak etc. He should have adjusted to the roster...With that said, lets not pretend Ewing didn't have a hand in firing Nelson.
Nelson was correct in trying to get away from Ewing. Fast forward just a couple seasons, the Knicks were in the finals playing the same way Nelson wanted to play.... and ironically Ewing was not a primary option anymore and it was great. Ewing got hurt and traded. Then we hired a Utah exec to fix us.... That's that bullshit. If you don't know your history you are doomed to repeat.
One of the reasons that Knicks team advanced to the finals is because Van Gundy (Riley disciple) put the focus back on defense. Most of Nelson teams, like MDA were offensive heavy and lacked on the defensive end. Thats one of the reasons why the Golden Stat (RunTMC) teams and Dirks teams bowed out to early.
Also, If you read what I said about system coaches, Nelson inherited the following Knicks roster: Mason, Oakley, Ewing, Starks, Harper, Smith etc....That is not a spread offense, push the tempo type of team. The 99 team, with Spree, Johnson, Houston and Camby, ironically was the type of team that Nelson would have flourished with. BUT that's not the roster he had. The knicks team Nelson had wouldn't have adavanced to the finals playing that way...
Uptown wrote:EnySpree wrote:Uptown wrote:nixluva wrote:Uptown wrote:We are still talking about this s***. Melo wasnt the first or last player that wanted his coach removed. Magic got westhead fired....The problem with MDA is he can only run his system. He couldnt adapt to his roster and that was his downfall. When Riley joined the Knicks, he didnt force Ewing and Oak to play in the showtime system. He built a system that fit the roster he had...Not every coach is the same! Many of the MOST SUCCESSFUL coaches in sports have been System coaches. There's nothing inherently wrong with it if you know who you've hired and what he's about. Knicks failed to support MDA knowing he's a system coach.
System coaches are fine if you have the right pieces...If you have a roster and or your best player that doesn't fit your system, you adjust accordingly.
I love Don Nelson and his innovated rosters and line ups. He was ahead of his time; one of the first coaches to play position-less basketball, particularly with that 1987 and 88 Bucks team which is what most teams are doing in today's games. However, I didn't believe he had the right roster to play the system he wanted with Ewing, Oak etc. He should have adjusted to the roster...With that said, lets not pretend Ewing didn't have a hand in firing Nelson.
Nelson was correct in trying to get away from Ewing. Fast forward just a couple seasons, the Knicks were in the finals playing the same way Nelson wanted to play.... and ironically Ewing was not a primary option anymore and it was great. Ewing got hurt and traded. Then we hired a Utah exec to fix us.... That's that bullshit. If you don't know your history you are doomed to repeat.
One of the reasons that Knicks team advanced to the finals is because Van Gundy (Riley disciple) put the focus back on defense. Most of Nelson teams, like MDA were offensive heavy and lacked on the defensive end. Thats one of the reasons why the Golden Stat (RunTMC) teams and Dirks teams bowed out to early.
Also, If you read what I said about system coaches, Nelson inherited the following Knicks roster: Mason, Oakley, Ewing, Starks, Harper, Smith etc....That is not a spread offense, push the tempo type of team. The 99 team, with Spree, Johnson, Houston and Camby, ironically was the type of team that Nelson would have flourished with. BUT that's not the roster he had. The knicks team Nelson had wouldn't have adavanced to the finals playing that way...
Hard to take "Nellie" seriously. Lmao. Definately a better coach than free throw shooter.
CrushAlot wrote:That has always been speculated but when the new gm hires his college roommate to be the associate head coach in charge of defense, amnesties your point guard, signs a marquee traditional center and gives you Toney Douglas to run your system for the last year of the deal the writing is on the wall.
Imcredible addition to a thread on Melo.
Melo was only happy under Woodson.
He is not a team guy. He is a ME guy.
MDA TeamSnap played no D but the offense struggled until they discovered LIn.
Then Melo sulked.
meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:That has always been speculated but when the new gm hires his college roommate to be the associate head coach in charge of defense, amnesties your point guard, signs a marquee traditional center and gives you Toney Douglas to run your system for the last year of the deal the writing is on the wall.Imcredible addition to a thread on Melo.
Yeah sometimes the details around the situation are important. But who needs details if it doesn't fit with what you hope happened.
CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:That has always been speculated but when the new gm hires his college roommate to be the associate head coach in charge of defense, amnesties your point guard, signs a marquee traditional center and gives you Toney Douglas to run your system for the last year of the deal the writing is on the wall.Imcredible addition to a thread on Melo.
Yeah sometimes the details around the situation are important. But who needs details if it doesn't fit with what you hope happened.
LOL - your denial is about as pathetic as your weak attemlts at deflection.
meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:That has always been speculated but when the new gm hires his college roommate to be the associate head coach in charge of defense, amnesties your point guard, signs a marquee traditional center and gives you Toney Douglas to run your system for the last year of the deal the writing is on the wall.Imcredible addition to a thread on Melo.
Yeah sometimes the details around the situation are important. But who needs details if it doesn't fit with what you hope happened.LOL - your denial is about as pathetic as your weak attemlts at deflection.
So you thought Grunwald was all in with Dantoni? What made you come to that conclusion?