Knicks · RealGM: Rival Execs: Phil Jackson Harming Carmelo Anthony's Trade Value (page 6)

knicks1248 @ 5/18/2017 9:54 AM
fwk00 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

Does Chris Webber know how FA works these days? Because players who are wanted aren't signing elsewhere and leaving suitcases of cash on the table. Secondly, if they are stupid enough to believe that Melo's history of failure here and his NTC somehow will impact their contract, they are way too stupid to want here.

These arguments are moronic. Melo's buddies claim that it affects their choices? Bullsh@t.

Anyone with anything remotely negative towards the knicks is moronic in your book, and chris webber who has been involved in the nba probably before you were born (OVER 20 yrs), and has dozens of friends, know dozens of agents, doesn't know how FA works...ARE FCKNG KIIDING ME DUDE..smh

fishmike @ 5/18/2017 10:01 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

Does Chris Webber know how FA works these days? Because players who are wanted aren't signing elsewhere and leaving suitcases of cash on the table. Secondly, if they are stupid enough to believe that Melo's history of failure here and his NTC somehow will impact their contract, they are way too stupid to want here.

These arguments are moronic. Melo's buddies claim that it affects their choices? Bullsh@t.

Anyone with anything remotely negative towards the knicks is moronic in your book, and chris webber who has been involved in the nba probably before you were born (OVER 20 yrs), and has dozens of friends, know dozens of agents, doesn't know how FA works...ARE FCKNG KIIDING ME DUDE..smh

Its the anti-Phil gestapo! Duck!
knicks1248 @ 5/18/2017 10:37 AM
fishmike wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

Does Chris Webber know how FA works these days? Because players who are wanted aren't signing elsewhere and leaving suitcases of cash on the table. Secondly, if they are stupid enough to believe that Melo's history of failure here and his NTC somehow will impact their contract, they are way too stupid to want here.

These arguments are moronic. Melo's buddies claim that it affects their choices? Bullsh@t.

Anyone with anything remotely negative towards the knicks is moronic in your book, and chris webber who has been involved in the nba probably before you were born (OVER 20 yrs), and has dozens of friends, know dozens of agents, doesn't know how FA works...ARE FCKNG KIIDING ME DUDE..smh

Its the anti-Phil gestapo! Duck!

Ya kidding right, did I mention a word about phil, mr anti melo

TripleThreat @ 5/18/2017 7:31 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Are we naive to think a team GM/President never made it known he wanted to trade a player?

It reaches a higher level of desperation when you tell the media on multiple occasions and try to push the player out through the media. Kenny Smith is right here. The way Phil is doing is unprecedented. It's the kind of thing that only happens with our dysfunctional franchise.


It's not desperation, it's an attempt to gain leverage.

Melo doesn't care about winning. Seemingly, at all. That is a bit of anomaly against most professional athletes. Lots of players in his situation would be pushing to get out the door.

It would be generally bad strategy IF there was no NTC and if the player in question wanted to win somewhere at the end of his career

But Jackson is using the only thing that seems to motivate Melo, which is using the public perception against him and to hit his public image for "branding"

Jackson can either get nothing for Melo, watch him rot on this roster for two more years as team poison, or try to drive him off the roster right now.

He's picking the lesser of two evils.

Saying Jackson is driving down Melo's trade value is opposing the two factors which determine where most free agents sign - Max Money/Max Years and the chance to win/contend. It's not like anyone just conjured these two things out of thin air, these are things established by simply observing the NBA marketplace over time, esp the current and modern era.

Bonn1997 @ 5/19/2017 8:28 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Are we naive to think a team GM/President never made it known he wanted to trade a player?

It reaches a higher level of desperation when you tell the media on multiple occasions and try to push the player out through the media. Kenny Smith is right here. The way Phil is doing is unprecedented. It's the kind of thing that only happens with our dysfunctional franchise.


It's not desperation, it's an attempt to gain leverage.

Melo doesn't care about winning. Seemingly, at all. That is a bit of anomaly against most professional athletes. Lots of players in his situation would be pushing to get out the door.

It would be generally bad strategy IF there was no NTC and if the player in question wanted to win somewhere at the end of his career

But Jackson is using the only thing that seems to motivate Melo, which is using the public perception against him and to hit his public image for "branding"

Jackson can either get nothing for Melo, watch him rot on this roster for two more years as team poison, or try to drive him off the roster right now.

He's picking the lesser of two evils.

Saying Jackson is driving down Melo's trade value is opposing the two factors which determine where most free agents sign - Max Money/Max Years and the chance to win/contend. It's not like anyone just conjured these two things out of thin air, these are things established by simply observing the NBA marketplace over time, esp the current and modern era.


I understand your argument but I think it's absurd thinking on Phil's part. He gave this guy the NTC and is now publicly shaming him into waiving it. Even Isiah and Layden never managed to put themselves in this situation! You have to wonder what great assets he's expecting to get back in a Melo trade that make it worth the ridicule and embarrassment (as opposed to either waiving Melo or giving him a reduced role for 2 years). I don't think he'll actually get anything worthwhile enough to be doing this (an equal set of contracts and a 2nd round pick maybe?). If I guessed, he's doing it for other (unwise) reasons - possibly the ones below.

A) He needs a scapegoat. It's easier to say Melo was harming the team's development than to say he put together a bad 15-man roster.
B) He actually believes he put together a good roster and the team's struggles were due to Melo. And he thinks the team will play well once he gets rid of Melo.
C) He doesn't want to have to explain to the media why he waived Melo and we are eating the remaining $54 mil he's owed over 2 years. He'd rather just get $54 mil worth of players in a trade who contribute nothing over the next 2 years (which is really no better) than waive Melo.

There have been many terrible GMs in league history but I can't remember any of them putting themselves in this situation.

nyknickzingis @ 5/19/2017 9:51 PM
Long shot
Wonder if Boston would do

Melo, 8th pick, two second rounders for

1st pick, throw in contracts (whatever Boston wanted)

TripleThreat @ 5/19/2017 9:51 PM
Bonn1997 wrote: You have to wonder what great assets he's expecting to get back in a Melo trade ....


This is where I think the problem lies in terms of people disagreeing about Melo's trade value being impacted by Jackson's statements.

I think some folks believe there is a "good trade of value" out there for Melo. That there is at least one option out there that is a net positive for the team in terms of return of assets.

There is not.

This is not about good value trade versus bad value trade

This is about JUST HAVING ANY TRADE AT ALL VERSUS HAVING NO TRADE AT ALL

If you believe Melo has net positive trade value, I can see where the perspective could be that the trade value could GO DOWN in some way. The problem is he does not have a net positive trade value of any kind.

He's an aging player. With low positional value. Who does not play team basketball. Who will not play defense. Who will stop all ball movement. He controls essentially where he will be traded and what goes back. He has a massive cap number that few teams could integrate and still have him operate as he would need to on a contending team - a luxury item but not a core one you could build around. He creates a "double hit" scenario, where you are not just losing assets in a trade, but the implied opportunity cost of the cap space needed to absorb said massive contract.

ANY TRADE of Melo now is going to be a bad value trade. Period. There is no golden option where a team will magically set up a net positive for the Knicks in terms of return. The question is whether you will get a bad value trade AT ALL or NOT AT ALL.

If you have a brain tumor and 2 months to live, does it matter that you just got HIV from a Thai hooker in a seedy brothel this past week? You have a player who has no desire or care for actual team basketball or winning. Does it matter if you say anything that will piss him off? What is going to do? Start playing in a way that makes you lose instead of win? Well, HE'S DOING THAT ALREADY. HE'S DOING THAT EVEN IF YOU SAY NOTHING. So what's to lose by saying something?

Jackson is shaming Melo with words? How about Melo should be ASHAMED OF HOW HE'S PLAYING FOR THIS TEAM. Play the game the right way, be a net positive instead of a net negative and odds are they will want to KEEP YOU INSTEAD OF DUMPING YOU.

This is not good deal versus bad deal, this is bad deal versus no deal period.

TripleThreat @ 5/19/2017 9:57 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:Long shot
Wonder if Boston would do

Melo, 8th pick, two second rounders for

1st pick, throw in contracts (whatever Boston wanted)


Would you trade Markelle Fultz and Gordon Hayward for Melo and Ntilikina?

If the Knicks had the choice between Fultz and Hayward or Melo and Ntilikina, which would you choose? Out of 100 times the question was posed, how many times would you choose the Fultz and Hayward option? 80 times out of 100. 90? 95?

If you wouldn't want to make that trade, why should the Celtics?

In NBA Draft history, the first overall pick has rarely been traded. There is a reason for that. A drop from 1st to 8th would be virtually unprecedented.

Vmart @ 5/19/2017 10:02 PM
CrushAlot wrote:

When has a free agent wanted to come to the Knicks? Besides what free agent is going to put the Knicks on top with Cleveland around. I really don't care for any free agents. The window is closed why would you want free agents to come here for no shot at a championship. Its a waste of time and developmental time for the young players. Let the young guys play who knows maybe they create a window of opportunity 3, 4, 5 years down the road. Honestly I don't even want to even entertain a free agent.

CrushAlot @ 5/19/2017 10:11 PM
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

When has a free agent wanted to come to the Knicks? Besides what free agent is going to put the Knicks on top with Cleveland around. I really don't care for any free agents. The window is closed why would you want free agents to come here for no shot at a championship. Its a waste of time and developmental time for the young players. Let the young guys play who knows maybe they create a window of opportunity 3, 4, 5 years down the road. Honestly I don't even want to even entertain a free agent.


I still don't think the approach should be to crush any chance of being able to sign reasonable players. I think this puts the Knicks in the market for Phil to make more mistakes. Overpaying for older, injury prone players on the decline that have no where else to go.
Vmart @ 5/19/2017 10:24 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

When has a free agent wanted to come to the Knicks? Besides what free agent is going to put the Knicks on top with Cleveland around. I really don't care for any free agents. The window is closed why would you want free agents to come here for no shot at a championship. Its a waste of time and developmental time for the young players. Let the young guys play who knows maybe they create a window of opportunity 3, 4, 5 years down the road. Honestly I don't even want to even entertain a free agent.


I still don't think the approach should be to crush any chance of being able to sign reasonable players. I think this puts the Knicks in the market for Phil to make more mistakes. Overpaying for older, injury prone players on the decline that have no where else to go.

Only reason he did that was he wanted a vet team to appease Melo. Haven't you guys noticed there isn't much out there. Honestly no one wants to play with Melo. They want Melo to come play with them but they don't want to come play with Melo. In 4-5 years everyone will forget who Melo was.

CrushAlot @ 5/19/2017 10:34 PM
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

When has a free agent wanted to come to the Knicks? Besides what free agent is going to put the Knicks on top with Cleveland around. I really don't care for any free agents. The window is closed why would you want free agents to come here for no shot at a championship. Its a waste of time and developmental time for the young players. Let the young guys play who knows maybe they create a window of opportunity 3, 4, 5 years down the road. Honestly I don't even want to even entertain a free agent.


I still don't think the approach should be to crush any chance of being able to sign reasonable players. I think this puts the Knicks in the market for Phil to make more mistakes. Overpaying for older, injury prone players on the decline that have no where else to go.

Only reason he did that was he wanted a vet team to appease Melo. Haven't you guys noticed there isn't much out there. Honestly no one wants to play with Melo. They want Melo to come play with them but they don't want to come play with Melo. In 4-5 years everyone will forget who Melo was.


The Knicks team had 6 rookies and only one was even a second round pick. More than a third of the team consisted of rookies. The team only had 5 players on it that were first round picks. Eight guys wee undrafted. I don't see the appeasing Melo angle with the roster he assembled. I also think the Noah signing was about Phil not Melo.
CrushAlot @ 5/19/2017 10:36 PM
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

When has a free agent wanted to come to the Knicks? Besides what free agent is going to put the Knicks on top with Cleveland around. I really don't care for any free agents. The window is closed why would you want free agents to come here for no shot at a championship. Its a waste of time and developmental time for the young players. Let the young guys play who knows maybe they create a window of opportunity 3, 4, 5 years down the road. Honestly I don't even want to even entertain a free agent.


I still don't think the approach should be to crush any chance of being able to sign reasonable players. I think this puts the Knicks in the market for Phil to make more mistakes. Overpaying for older, injury prone players on the decline that have no where else to go.

Only reason he did that was he wanted a vet team to appease Melo. Haven't you guys noticed there isn't much out there. Honestly no one wants to play with Melo. They want Melo to come play with them but they don't want to come play with Melo. In 4-5 years everyone will forget who Melo was.


The Knicks team had 6 rookies and only one was even a second round pick. More than a third of the team consisted of rookies. The team only had 5 players on it that were first round picks. Eight guys wee undrafted. I don't see the appeasing Melo angle with the roster he assembled. I also think the Noah signing was about Phil not Melo.
Vmart @ 5/19/2017 10:49 PM
I think you guys only want to see what you want to see, There were 9-10 vets on the team two of them came from Euro league who technically weren't rookies but more new to the league. Kuz and Hernangomez, Bench of Jennings, O'Quin, Thomas, Holiday, Melo, Rose, Noah, Lee and KP.
Bonn1997 @ 5/20/2017 5:57 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote: You have to wonder what great assets he's expecting to get back in a Melo trade ....


This is where I think the problem lies in terms of people disagreeing about Melo's trade value being impacted by Jackson's statements.

I think some folks believe there is a "good trade of value" out there for Melo. That there is at least one option out there that is a net positive for the team in terms of return of assets.

There is not.

This is not about good value trade versus bad value trade

This is about JUST HAVING ANY TRADE AT ALL VERSUS HAVING NO TRADE AT ALL

If you believe Melo has net positive trade value, I can see where the perspective could be that the trade value could GO DOWN in some way. The problem is he does not have a net positive trade value of any kind.

He's an aging player. With low positional value. Who does not play team basketball. Who will not play defense. Who will stop all ball movement. He controls essentially where he will be traded and what goes back. He has a massive cap number that few teams could integrate and still have him operate as he would need to on a contending team - a luxury item but not a core one you could build around. He creates a "double hit" scenario, where you are not just losing assets in a trade, but the implied opportunity cost of the cap space needed to absorb said massive contract.

ANY TRADE of Melo now is going to be a bad value trade. Period. There is no golden option where a team will magically set up a net positive for the Knicks in terms of return. The question is whether you will get a bad value trade AT ALL or NOT AT ALL.

If you have a brain tumor and 2 months to live, does it matter that you just got HIV from a Thai hooker in a seedy brothel this past week? You have a player who has no desire or care for actual team basketball or winning. Does it matter if you say anything that will piss him off? What is going to do? Start playing in a way that makes you lose instead of win? Well, HE'S DOING THAT ALREADY. HE'S DOING THAT EVEN IF YOU SAY NOTHING. So what's to lose by saying something?

Jackson is shaming Melo with words? How about Melo should be ASHAMED OF HOW HE'S PLAYING FOR THIS TEAM. Play the game the right way, be a net positive instead of a net negative and odds are they will want to KEEP YOU INSTEAD OF DUMPING YOU.

This is not good deal versus bad deal, this is bad deal versus no deal period.

A bad deal by definition makes the team worse than beforehand. I don't think Phil would be doing this if he thought he couldn't get something worthwhile for Melo. You may right and Phil is wrong here (that wouldn't be a shocker), though.

Sinix @ 5/21/2017 2:48 PM
I feel like Phils comments towards Melo are Phil trying to throw emotional haymakers to Melo in public to get a message across that Melo is not getting. That his time as a Knick is over.

Phil is also letting the fans know, if the Knicks don't move forward with a rebuild, which they sorely need, it's not Phils choice. It's the Knicks being held hostage by Carmelo Anthony.

Honestly Melo has failed the Knicks since day 1 when he demanded a trade to the Knicks instead of coming to a Knicks loaded with assets. Melo said he was good enough to win on his own. Oops, Melo failed to deliver since the start. Since then he's put himself above anyone else who's tried to be a leader here- Phil, Lin, D'antoni and more. It's time to go Melo.

Bonn1997 @ 5/21/2017 2:58 PM
Sinix wrote:I feel like Phils comments towards Melo are Phil trying to throw emotional haymakers to Melo in public to get a message across that Melo is not getting. That his time as a Knick is over.

Phil is also letting the fans know, if the Knicks don't move forward with a rebuild, which they sorely need, it's not Phils choice. It's the Knicks being held hostage by Carmelo Anthony.

Honestly Melo has failed the Knicks since day 1 when he demanded a trade to the Knicks instead of coming to a Knicks loaded with assets. Melo said he was good enough to win on his own. Oops, Melo failed to deliver since the start. Since then he's put himself above anyone else who's tried to be a leader here- Phil, Lin, D'antoni and more. It's time to go Melo.


He's not "letting fans know this." Perhaps he's hoping that BS will make fans let him off the hook. The way I put it earlier is that he needs a scapegoat. It's a lot easier to imply this is all Melo's fault than to accept that he (Phil) put together a bad 15 man roster.

You and I don't disagree about Melo, but Melo is Phil's fault, as are the rest of the problems with the roster. It's not like some other President was filling in for Phil the day Melo was given the largest basketball contract in the world (at the time) and the ntc and trade kiciker were thrown in just in case the largest contract alone wasn't enticing enough for Melo.

Sinix @ 5/21/2017 3:09 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Sinix wrote:I feel like Phils comments towards Melo are Phil trying to throw emotional haymakers to Melo in public to get a message across that Melo is not getting. That his time as a Knick is over.

Phil is also letting the fans know, if the Knicks don't move forward with a rebuild, which they sorely need, it's not Phils choice. It's the Knicks being held hostage by Carmelo Anthony.

Honestly Melo has failed the Knicks since day 1 when he demanded a trade to the Knicks instead of coming to a Knicks loaded with assets. Melo said he was good enough to win on his own. Oops, Melo failed to deliver since the start. Since then he's put himself above anyone else who's tried to be a leader here- Phil, Lin, D'antoni and more. It's time to go Melo.


He's not "letting fans know this." Perhaps he's hoping that BS will make fans let him off the hook. The way I put it earlier is that he needs a scapegoat. It's a lot easier to imply this is all Melo's fault than to accept that he (Phil) put together a bad 15 man roster.

You and I don't disagree about Melo, but Melo is Phil's fault, as are the rest of the problems with the roster. It's not like some other President was filling in for Phil the day Melo was given the largest basketball contract in the world (at the time) and the ntc and trade kiciker were thrown in just in case the largest contract alone wasn't enticing enough for Melo.

What do you mean let him off the hook? Phil is trying to do his job. If the Knicks are going to move forward now they need to rebuild and Melo is a roadblock there. What else can Phil do but put added pressure on him to leave now?

You can blame and cry about what Phil has done the past 2 years but what does that change about NOW? Despite what happened last season or two seasons ago, the same moves need to be made now and that's trading Melo.

Would it make you happy if Phil just held a press conference, break downs, cries and says there's nothing to do because he made some bad moves over his first couple seasons?

Sinix @ 5/21/2017 3:12 PM
Dolan probably pressured Phil to sign Melo and even if not, it was the right move at the time.

For whatever Melo's been, his contract isn't terrible now and he's put the Knicks in position to get an asset out of him. It would not have been better to lose Melo for nothing a few years ago.

Both Melo and Phil wanted to take a shot at being a playoff team. It didn't work out. Responsibility is on both parties. It's clearly time for both parties to move forward and that means Melo leaving and Phil rebuilding.

CrushAlot @ 5/21/2017 3:17 PM
Sinix wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Sinix wrote:I feel like Phils comments towards Melo are Phil trying to throw emotional haymakers to Melo in public to get a message across that Melo is not getting. That his time as a Knick is over.

Phil is also letting the fans know, if the Knicks don't move forward with a rebuild, which they sorely need, it's not Phils choice. It's the Knicks being held hostage by Carmelo Anthony.

Honestly Melo has failed the Knicks since day 1 when he demanded a trade to the Knicks instead of coming to a Knicks loaded with assets. Melo said he was good enough to win on his own. Oops, Melo failed to deliver since the start. Since then he's put himself above anyone else who's tried to be a leader here- Phil, Lin, D'antoni and more. It's time to go Melo.


He's not "letting fans know this." Perhaps he's hoping that BS will make fans let him off the hook. The way I put it earlier is that he needs a scapegoat. It's a lot easier to imply this is all Melo's fault than to accept that he (Phil) put together a bad 15 man roster.

You and I don't disagree about Melo, but Melo is Phil's fault, as are the rest of the problems with the roster. It's not like some other President was filling in for Phil the day Melo was given the largest basketball contract in the world (at the time) and the ntc and trade kiciker were thrown in just in case the largest contract alone wasn't enticing enough for Melo.

What do you mean let him off the hook? Phil is trying to do his job. If the Knicks are going to move forward now they need to rebuild and Melo is a roadblock there. What else can Phil do but put added pressure on him to leave now?

You can blame and cry about what Phil has done the past 2 years but what does that change about NOW? Despite what happened last season or two seasons ago, the same moves need to be made now and that's trading Melo.

Would it make you happy if Phil just held a press conference, break downs, cries and says there's nothing to do because he made some bad moves over his first couple seasons?

Except Phil made Melo untradeable. He has ntc, a huge contract, a trade kicker for 9 mil and he is old. Phil gave him all of that. Do you think he waives the trade kicker after Phil's presser? Depending on the receiving team in a trade's cap situation he might be able to waive some or all of his trade kicker but I don't think he is giving up money to help Phil. When Phil signed Melo it wasn't like he was just putting eyes on Melo. He was a 10+ year vet and there was no sign that he was changing his style of play.
Sinix @ 5/21/2017 3:23 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Sinix wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Sinix wrote:I feel like Phils comments towards Melo are Phil trying to throw emotional haymakers to Melo in public to get a message across that Melo is not getting. That his time as a Knick is over.

Phil is also letting the fans know, if the Knicks don't move forward with a rebuild, which they sorely need, it's not Phils choice. It's the Knicks being held hostage by Carmelo Anthony.

Honestly Melo has failed the Knicks since day 1 when he demanded a trade to the Knicks instead of coming to a Knicks loaded with assets. Melo said he was good enough to win on his own. Oops, Melo failed to deliver since the start. Since then he's put himself above anyone else who's tried to be a leader here- Phil, Lin, D'antoni and more. It's time to go Melo.


He's not "letting fans know this." Perhaps he's hoping that BS will make fans let him off the hook. The way I put it earlier is that he needs a scapegoat. It's a lot easier to imply this is all Melo's fault than to accept that he (Phil) put together a bad 15 man roster.

You and I don't disagree about Melo, but Melo is Phil's fault, as are the rest of the problems with the roster. It's not like some other President was filling in for Phil the day Melo was given the largest basketball contract in the world (at the time) and the ntc and trade kiciker were thrown in just in case the largest contract alone wasn't enticing enough for Melo.

What do you mean let him off the hook? Phil is trying to do his job. If the Knicks are going to move forward now they need to rebuild and Melo is a roadblock there. What else can Phil do but put added pressure on him to leave now?

You can blame and cry about what Phil has done the past 2 years but what does that change about NOW? Despite what happened last season or two seasons ago, the same moves need to be made now and that's trading Melo.

Would it make you happy if Phil just held a press conference, break downs, cries and says there's nothing to do because he made some bad moves over his first couple seasons?

Except Phil made Melo untradeable. He has ntc, a huge contract, a trade kicker for 9 mil and he is old. Phil gave him all of that. Do you think he waives the trade kicker after Phil's presser? Depending on the receiving team in a trade's cap situation he might be able to waive some or all of his trade kicker but I don't think he is giving up money to help Phil. When Phil signed Melo it wasn't like he was just putting eyes on Melo. He was a 10+ year vet and there was no sign that he was changing his style of play.

The NTC was probably necessary to get the deal done. The contract is big but there's worse players getting paid more. Melo is still an all star every season and he doesn't break 30 mil right?

There will be no waiving a trade kicker no matter if Phil and Melo are friends or not. Melo wants his money and rightfully so. You don't give money back from a contract you signed.

Melo has his right to be a problem child. If I were Phil, I'd threaten to bench him all season and ruin his legacy unless he accepts to be traded.

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