Knicks · Tape on Ntilinkina (page 2)
GustavBahler wrote:
http://nypost.com/2017/05/24/french-stud...French league point guard Frank Ntilikina, whom the Knicks have on their radar with the eighth pick in June’s NBA draft, could be down to his final game before he flies to the United States for workouts.In Wednesday night’s playoff game in France, the 6-foot-5 Ntilikina came off the bench to play 22 minutes, scoring four points with four rebounds and three assists as his Strasbourg club evened the best-of-three first-round series with a 83-68 victory over Pau-Orthez.
The deciding Game 3 is Friday. Ntilikina, who turns 19 this summer, didn’t play well in the playoff opener, in which Strasbourg lost in overtime. In 18 minutes, he shot 0-for-4 with one point, zero assists and three fouls.
Like many teams, the Knicks love Ntilikina’s body frame for a point guard, and Phil Jackson rates that as important. He’s rated the No. 1 international prospect. One concern among scouts is his lack of consistency, and they wonder if he should be putting up larger numbers considering his immense talent. Some in the organization rate North Carolina State’s Dennis Smith Jr. higher than Ntilikina among point guards, but the Frenchman may make a better triangle fit.
BPA!
I agree BPA, but within position of need. If Smith is determined to be the better player, but Ntilikina is the better fit in the offense, you go with the best player. The system you run should not dictate the player you take. A good offensive system should be able to blend any talented player at a position of need.
Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:
http://nypost.com/2017/05/24/french-stud...French league point guard Frank Ntilikina, whom the Knicks have on their radar with the eighth pick in June’s NBA draft, could be down to his final game before he flies to the United States for workouts.In Wednesday night’s playoff game in France, the 6-foot-5 Ntilikina came off the bench to play 22 minutes, scoring four points with four rebounds and three assists as his Strasbourg club evened the best-of-three first-round series with a 83-68 victory over Pau-Orthez.
The deciding Game 3 is Friday. Ntilikina, who turns 19 this summer, didn’t play well in the playoff opener, in which Strasbourg lost in overtime. In 18 minutes, he shot 0-for-4 with one point, zero assists and three fouls.
Like many teams, the Knicks love Ntilikina’s body frame for a point guard, and Phil Jackson rates that as important. He’s rated the No. 1 international prospect. One concern among scouts is his lack of consistency, and they wonder if he should be putting up larger numbers considering his immense talent. Some in the organization rate North Carolina State’s Dennis Smith Jr. higher than Ntilikina among point guards, but the Frenchman may make a better triangle fit.
BPA!
I agree BPA, but within position of need. If Smith is determined to be the better player, but Ntilikina is the better fit in the offense, you go with the best player. The system you run should not dictate the player you take. A good offensive system should be able to blend any talented player at a position of need.
A writer made the claim that Donovan Mitchell will be the Klay Thompson, Zach Kaine, Gary Harris, Shroeder who falls to 11-15 but ends up being a stud.
And if we are to really evaluate this. He is a player with all star 2 way potential who is defense first. Strong measurements and athletic ability. Clean character and a good fit within the triangle since he wont be asked to be a full time floor general.
The kicker is that we would be able to trade down and add multiple assets moving down to the 10-12 range to get him at the draft. Mitchell wont be a plug in all star and will probably take 2 yrs before he puts it all together. But between his potential, his fit, and our ability to acquire more assets. Would make a ton of sense.
anrst wrote:i just watched some clips on mitchell and im convinced he will be great. we must have him.
I was in a long debate on twitter about Mitchell. I feel the Knicks should try to grab another 1st and do a Mitchell/Justin Jackson. Long players that would boost the Defense and Offense.
Louisville coach Rick Pitino doesn’t like to hear draft analysts downplay 6-foot-3 Donovan Mitchell as an undersized shooting guard. That won’t be his position in the NBA.“Point guard is his natural position,’’ Pitino told The Post. “But because of Quentin Snider, who’s been around a while as a veteran, I played [Donovan] at the two-guard spot. I see him strictly as a one.”
That versatility, his defensive mindset and character are reasons the Knicks have more than a casual interest in Mitchell — whether at No. 8 or trading down a few notches to later in the lottery.
The Louisville sophomore has local ties. His father Donovan Mitchell Sr. works for the Mets as director of player relations after a career as a minor-league journeyman who played for Mets manager Terry Collins. The Greenwich, Conn. product, who grew up 25 miles from the Knicks’ Tarrytown complex, is projected in most mock drafts as a late-lottery pick.
Pitino said the Chicago combine — where Mitchell participated in skills/measurements — helped his stock. Mitchell, 20, measured in at 6-3 with shoes — 6-1 ½ without — and recorded a healthy 6-10 wingspan.
“I think having that wingspan and being the defensive-minded person that I am will definitely help,” said Mitchell, who played a handful of games at point guard when Snider got hurt. “Because at Louisville you don’t step on the floor unless you play defense”
Mitchell averaged 15.6 points, 4.9 rebounds and 2.7 assists last season. Pitino, the ex-Knicks coach, figured Mitchell would be picked in the middle of the first round after Louisville’s 25-9 season ended in the NCAA Tournament’s second round.
Now he’s thinking grander.
“After the combine, we’re hearing he’ll be [a] lower [number] than where we thought because of what he did there in terms of measurements, 40-inch vertical, shot it well,’’ Pitino said. “He led the ACC in steals and showed anticipation skills. If it wasn’t for his shot getting so much better [this season], he’d be mid-to-late, but his shot improved so much he’ll probably sneak into the lottery.’’
According to an NBA source, the Knicks put Mitchell on their combine interview list, but the league controls the meetings, and he wasn’t sent their way. The Knicks hope to work Mitchell out before the draft on June 22.
After his freshman season, Mitchell asked Pitino what he had to do to make the NBA.
“I said, look, Donovan, you’re a freak athlete, but if you’re serious about this game, you have to get a jump shot with arc and really develop it,’’ Pitino said. “I haven’t seen a guy improve his jump shot more than him in my 40 years of coaching. He’s got great arc. He improved it more than any player I’ve coached outside of Billy Donovan.”
Pitino still has an apartment in Manhattan and owns Knicks season tickets. He said jokingly that it has been tougher to give them away in recent seasons. Pitino sees Mitchell fitting in at Phil Jackson’s Garden. The Knicks president has said he’s not looking for the best athlete in the draft but wants a cerebral prospect who can adapt to team play, meaning he’d grasp his sophisticated triangle.
According to Pitino, Mitchell has the qualifications to run the triangle and adds he’s so overly polite he calls him Eddie Haskell from “Leave it to Beaver.”
“He’s understands everything about the game — a basketball junkie,’’ Pitino said. “He has a high basketball IQ, a high IQ period.’’
nixluva wrote:Nitty is not dynamic in any way except that he has good lateral quickness and elite length. Looks like his jumper is gonna be good. He's got high BBIQ and will of course learn more. As he matures physically I expect him to fill out and I think he's gonna be a similar player to Malcolm Brogdon.Nitty will likely not be a dynamic scorer at PG but he will be versatile as a player that can be a SG and PG and defend 1-3. He's pretty much a Prototypical Triangle guard. Size, Length, passing, shooting and Defense. Not a lot of flash just production in a Team Game. He's not the Superstar type but should help the team play winning ball.
He looks like a role player to me. If we lost one more game we could of had a shot at a star but thats the Knicks. The Timberwolves will once again get a NY area kid who is a real superstar not a malcontent who learned at the feet of one of the biggest me players of all time.Frank may be a solid player but I see the chance to get a higeher upside player like Smith or even Monk I might go after an elite upside guy instead.
newyorknewyork wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:
http://nypost.com/2017/05/24/french-stud...French league point guard Frank Ntilikina, whom the Knicks have on their radar with the eighth pick in June’s NBA draft, could be down to his final game before he flies to the United States for workouts.In Wednesday night’s playoff game in France, the 6-foot-5 Ntilikina came off the bench to play 22 minutes, scoring four points with four rebounds and three assists as his Strasbourg club evened the best-of-three first-round series with a 83-68 victory over Pau-Orthez.
The deciding Game 3 is Friday. Ntilikina, who turns 19 this summer, didn’t play well in the playoff opener, in which Strasbourg lost in overtime. In 18 minutes, he shot 0-for-4 with one point, zero assists and three fouls.
Like many teams, the Knicks love Ntilikina’s body frame for a point guard, and Phil Jackson rates that as important. He’s rated the No. 1 international prospect. One concern among scouts is his lack of consistency, and they wonder if he should be putting up larger numbers considering his immense talent. Some in the organization rate North Carolina State’s Dennis Smith Jr. higher than Ntilikina among point guards, but the Frenchman may make a better triangle fit.
BPA!
I agree BPA, but within position of need. If Smith is determined to be the better player, but Ntilikina is the better fit in the offense, you go with the best player. The system you run should not dictate the player you take. A good offensive system should be able to blend any talented player at a position of need.
A writer made the claim that Donovan Mitchell will be the Klay Thompson, Zach Kaine, Gary Harris, Shroeder who falls to 11-15 but ends up being a stud.
And if we are to really evaluate this. He is a player with all star 2 way potential who is defense first. Strong measurements and athletic ability. Clean character and a good fit within the triangle since he wont be asked to be a full time floor general.
The kicker is that we would be able to trade down and add multiple assets moving down to the 10-12 range to get him at the draft. Mitchell wont be a plug in all star and will probably take 2 yrs before he puts it all together. But between his potential, his fit, and our ability to acquire more assets. Would make a ton of sense.
I am very intrigued by the guy. He and Justin Jackson (unc)are my picks for most likely to greatly exceed expectations
nixluva wrote:anrst wrote:i just watched some clips on mitchell and im convinced he will be great. we must have him.I was in a long debate on twitter about Mitchell. I feel the Knicks should try to grab another 1st and do a Mitchell/Justin Jackson. Long players that would boost the Defense and Offense.
Haha. I should have read down a few posts.
I fully trust Knicks drafting and maybe they see a star at 8 but if this scenario happened it would be awesome. I also think it will add chemistry. These guys seem to have good heads on their shoulders and their priorities right
Fraschilla compares Smith jr. and Frank....
The big question is which player fits better in the triangle offense, because the Knicks will be running that fulltime this season. Fraschilla said both do.“Theoretically Frank probably fits the triangle better with his versatility,” Fraschilla said. “But with a 24-second shot clock you still need guys that can break a defense down and make a play on their own. Dennis is more prepared to do that than
newyorknewyork wrote:The kicker is that we would be able to trade down and add multiple assets moving down to the 10-12 range to get him at the draft.
This is the fan/media trap most of us fall for. If the guy is that good, other teams know it...not just us fans....not just the Knicks. Unless there is a red flag on the player chances are he won't drop and risking 2 spots would just be silly. You take the guy at 8 and be happy you got the one you wanted.
newyorknewyork wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:
http://nypost.com/2017/05/24/french-stud...French league point guard Frank Ntilikina, whom the Knicks have on their radar with the eighth pick in June’s NBA draft, could be down to his final game before he flies to the United States for workouts.In Wednesday night’s playoff game in France, the 6-foot-5 Ntilikina came off the bench to play 22 minutes, scoring four points with four rebounds and three assists as his Strasbourg club evened the best-of-three first-round series with a 83-68 victory over Pau-Orthez.
The deciding Game 3 is Friday. Ntilikina, who turns 19 this summer, didn’t play well in the playoff opener, in which Strasbourg lost in overtime. In 18 minutes, he shot 0-for-4 with one point, zero assists and three fouls.
Like many teams, the Knicks love Ntilikina’s body frame for a point guard, and Phil Jackson rates that as important. He’s rated the No. 1 international prospect. One concern among scouts is his lack of consistency, and they wonder if he should be putting up larger numbers considering his immense talent. Some in the organization rate North Carolina State’s Dennis Smith Jr. higher than Ntilikina among point guards, but the Frenchman may make a better triangle fit.
BPA!
I agree BPA, but within position of need. If Smith is determined to be the better player, but Ntilikina is the better fit in the offense, you go with the best player. The system you run should not dictate the player you take. A good offensive system should be able to blend any talented player at a position of need.
A writer made the claim that Donovan Mitchell will be the Klay Thompson, Zach Kaine, Gary Harris, Shroeder who falls to 11-15 but ends up being a stud.
And if we are to really evaluate this. He is a player with all star 2 way potential who is defense first. Strong measurements and athletic ability. Clean character and a good fit within the triangle since he wont be asked to be a full time floor general.
The kicker is that we would be able to trade down and add multiple assets moving down to the 10-12 range to get him at the draft. Mitchell wont be a plug in all star and will probably take 2 yrs before he puts it all together. But between his potential, his fit, and our ability to acquire more assets. Would make a ton of sense.
I've been on the D.Mitchell train for a couple of weeks now and think he would be a great fit for us especially if we can get R.Rubio to run the point for us.
Andrew wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:The kicker is that we would be able to trade down and add multiple assets moving down to the 10-12 range to get him at the draft.This is the fan/media trap most of us fall for. If the guy is that good, other teams know it...not just us fans....not just the Knicks. Unless there is a red flag on the player chances are he won't drop and risking 2 spots would just be silly. You take the guy at 8 and be happy you got the one you wanted.
We would probably draft Dennis Smith Jr or Frank for another team and that team will draft Mitchell for us then we make that swap. You never know who is going to fall so you never trade down before hand.
I will say its hard to gauge where Mitchell is on the board from our perspective. I was saying 10-12 to be safe but he could be lower towards the 15 range or he could be favored by Dallas at 9.
Jmpasq wrote:nixluva wrote:Nitty is not dynamic in any way except that he has good lateral quickness and elite length. Looks like his jumper is gonna be good. He's got high BBIQ and will of course learn more. As he matures physically I expect him to fill out and I think he's gonna be a similar player to Malcolm Brogdon.Nitty will likely not be a dynamic scorer at PG but he will be versatile as a player that can be a SG and PG and defend 1-3. He's pretty much a Prototypical Triangle guard. Size, Length, passing, shooting and Defense. Not a lot of flash just production in a Team Game. He's not the Superstar type but should help the team play winning ball.
He looks like a role player to me. If we lost one more game we could of had a shot at a star but thats the Knicks. The Timberwolves will once again get a NY area kid who is a real superstar not a malcontent who learned at the feet of one of the biggest me players of all time.Frank may be a solid player but I see the chance to get a higeher upside player like Smith or even Monk I might go after an elite upside guy instead.
Frank has elite upside as well. For all we know he is in the Klay, Leonard, George, Freak mold who weren't thought as go to players at the draft even though they brought a ton of other intangibles so they dropped. But eventually with hard work developed go to skills and are some of the best players in the NBA.
In the same draft Derrick Williams was taken #2 for his elite go to potential.
One of the best isolation players in the entire draft
TheGame wrote:The kid looks solid but,as others have said, he does not look like a potential superstar. He is more in the George Hill or Jeff Teague category although he might turn out a little better than those two. In any case, he should develop into a starting caliber pg, but he is not going to be the best player on the team.
IMO Josh Jackson is a future superstar and possibly Fultz. I think everyone else after that is in the all star to borderline all star range.
Edit: I think Tatum has some superstar potential as well.
SupremeCommander wrote:His weaknesses are my lunch weighs more than him and he's done nothing of distinction... The more I think about it the more I think this would be like drafting someone like Marvin Williams - drafting based purely on hope
He's 18? He'll gain weight. The fact that he's already playing, excelling at times, is impressive. There's hope involved with any draft pick, but the kids shows potential to be a good way player.
fin89 wrote:Frank kinda represents a guy who fits more into that mold. Dennis Smith Jr. might be a hell of an athlete, but we honestly need a culture change more than talent at this point.
An X factor no one is talking about with Ntilinkina yet,
His agent? Leon Rose of Creative Artist Agency.
Melo's agent? Leon Rose of Creative Artist Agency.
It would not be above Rose's typical tactics in place to use Ntilinkina in an open war between Melo and the Knicks franchise in a clear power struggle to stay/not stay/waive the NTC/not waive the NTC.
The wave of Phil Jackson sucks/It's Phil Jackson's fault/Fire Phil Jackson formal articles and hit pieces out there are coming from Rose and CAA, at the behest of Melo, they are not coming from nowhere. Clearly Melo needs Jackson fired to stay in his comfy no expectations/do what I want iso ball chuck-a-palooza. Jackson needs Melo traded to move forward with the franchise. If they both stay for two more years, it will be truly ugly.
Franky N is a compromise pick if Hornacek stays, he fits a need, he can play defense, the Knicks need a PG, he can fit the befuddling Triangle, at least in theory, he has combo guard potential, which Hornacek needs and wants.
If he's seen as about equal to other prospects though once the 8th pick comes up, the Leon Rose issue might be a push point to just pick another player. MLB and the NFL, it happens all the time, specific teams avoid specific agents unless the talent issue is too overwhelming to ignore. Not sure this applies here.