Kyle OQuinn?
At 26 years old KOQ averaged 15ppg, 13rebs, 3.5assists, 3 blocks per/36 mins AND led the team in WS/48
He played in 79 games last year.
And we have Plumlee, Willy, Noah and KP to get minutes there also. Kinda begs the question... whats the point in drafting a young big like Swanigan? Are we shopping KOQ? If we got a pick for him that might be something. He had a very good year and was often a bright spot. If we are developing and working on improving with in we have a player on our own roster trending upward that folks are ignoring. He's slated to make an incredibly cap friendly $4mm next year.
Whats your plan for KOQ?
Trade KOQ simple because Willy is the future and we need a PF/C that can cover stretch 4s which seems to be a weakness for KP and Willy. Noah and Plummlee will man the backup mins and we can get more balance.
Plus he has good value with his 150 WS48 and a cheap contract. Teams will make play for him due to that and probably net us a good pick.
I do like O'Quinn and thought he should have played over Seraphin 2 yrs ago but I also think as he age his shortcomings will start to show through. His lack of athleticism has lead him to become a pull and tug to get leverage guy and I am not sure he can keep up his excellent blk rate which pretty much is his only saving grace as a defender. O'Quinn is a good player now though and would be an excellent back up on a playoff team. The Spurs, Blazers, OKC, and even GSW would be nice places for him.
The problem going forward is that Kyle has an opt out after next year and I doubt he will be looking to stay at the same price. Do you really want to lock up a 28 y/o back up on a team who has a long way to go in their rebuild and already has two younger players that play his position? So I think the best option would be to sell high and try to find a younger player on a cost controlled salary.
yellowboy90 wrote:
I do like O'Quinn and thought he should have played over Seraphin 2 yrs ago but I also think as he age his shortcomings will start to show through. His lack of athleticism has lead him to become a pull and tug to get leverage guy and I am not sure he can keep up his excellent blk rate which pretty much is his only saving grace as a defender. O'Quinn is a good player now though and would be an excellent back up on a playoff team. The Spurs, Blazers, OKC, and even GSW would be nice places for him.
The problem going forward is that Kyle has an opt out after next year and I doubt he will be looking to stay at the same price. Do you really want to lock up a 28 y/o back up on a team who has a long way to go in their rebuild and already has two younger players that play his position? So I think the best option would be to sell high and try to find a younger player on a cost controlled salary.
He is definitely due a raise.
He's from the area - Queens if I recall. He's a lunch pail kind of player - I would see, and I don't know when/if we can, about extending him, at a higher salary but hopefully below 'market'.
No matter how many guys are stars in front of him (KP, Willy, Noah?), you'll always need someone big with toughness off the bench.
As for Caleb. There is a lot to like about him. From his high character and leadership traits and work ethic working his way down from 380 to 246. To his motor, IQ, and skill level. Post game, Mid range, 3pt, can put the ball on the floor, as well as move the ball. Defensively he held a defensive ratings for 93.8 and 92.7 with 104.9 and 94 vs conference play. And even if none of that translates one thing is for certain he is going to own the glass and score some around the basket.
He has a definable skill set with rebounding and inside scoring with many other potential attributes around that.
yellowboy90 wrote:
I do like O'Quinn and thought he should have played over Seraphin 2 yrs ago but I also think as he age his shortcomings will start to show through. His lack of athleticism has lead him to become a pull and tug to get leverage guy and I am not sure he can keep up his excellent blk rate which pretty much is his only saving grace as a defender. O'Quinn is a good player now though and would be an excellent back up on a playoff team. The Spurs, Blazers, OKC, and even GSW would be nice places for him.
The problem going forward is that Kyle has an opt out after next year and I doubt he will be looking to stay at the same price. Do you really want to lock up a 28 y/o back up on a team who has a long way to go in their rebuild and already has two younger players that play his position? So I think the best option would be to sell high and try to find a younger player on a cost controlled salary.
I see some of those shortcomings you talk about. There are some things that are tough to ignore. He's got range on the jumper. I am not sure he will ever be a good 3 pt shooter but he can certainly hit the long 2 enough to stretch the D. He's not quick but he's no turtle either. His shot blocking is not an anomaly either. He's got a crazy 7'5 wingspan. He had more than a handful of games where he looked really good and helped the Knicks win games. Look at his game logs and puts up big numbers when he gets 20 minutes.
Sac had both Whiteside and IThomas and let both walk for the reasons you mention letting KOQ go for. I am not even saying your wrong, only talking about the risk. Local product (wants to play here), plays hard, moves the ball... I mean whats his next contract? 4/$50mm? (about $12mm per). I mean arent these the type of guys we want around? Continuity, chemistry... we know these things matter.
Its a very interesting draft. Certainly Willy is the future, Noah you want getting as many minutes as he can, with KP also playing some 5. Plumlee becomes your depth guy. If KOQ can get us first rounder it may be hard to pass up.
another option is KOQ may be a nice lube for a Melo trade as well.
Another consideration for the Knicks: KOQ on last year of deal and there has to be questions about IF they want to keep him. $4.1M is nice, > $10M not so much.
martin wrote:Another consideration for the Knicks: KOQ on last year of deal and there has to be questions about IF they want to keep him. $4.1M is nice, > $10M not so much.
for 15 minutes a game in his current role it doesnt make sense. I guess the question is if you are on the Knicks and you are KOQ what can you do to earn more minutes? I mean he played his way into a rotation that didnt really want him
fishmike wrote:martin wrote:Another consideration for the Knicks: KOQ on last year of deal and there has to be questions about IF they want to keep him. $4.1M is nice, > $10M not so much.
for 15 minutes a game in his current role it doesnt make sense. I guess the question is if you are on the Knicks and you are KOQ what can you do to earn more minutes? I mean he played his way into a rotation that didnt really want him
The main issues with Kyle are things out of his control. He played himself into a larger salary and the Knicks have too much money tied into their bigs. The deal to Noah really took any chances O'quinn had at staying away.
I'm not crazy at about KOQ at all, he was wildly inconsistent in every phase of his game, shooting(not enough)passing, defense, energy, this guy would make 2 or 3 really good defensive plays, and the next possession give half ass effort. He's a solid 3rd string fwd on a good team and a starter on a bad team, and to make matters worse. he's never been on a good team, and doesn't exactly know how to play winning a basketball. I think he gets paid exactly what he deserves, not a penny more. Great locker room guy though
I like O'quinn, but with KP and Willy, i'm not sure if the Knicks will want to spend the money to resign him. I had said to trade him at the deadline when his value was higher. He only has one more year at this cost, then will likely opt out and look for a payday that the knicks won't want to give with big money going to Noah off the bench.
KOQ has good value. We should be able to get a mid to late 1st rounder for him
I love O'Quinn as a former lunchpail big but we've got to trade him this offseason for all the reasons just mentioned. My hope is that both he and Mindaugas Kuzminskaus could be the framework for a deal to the Nuggets that nets us Juan Hernangomez of the Denver Nuggets. Should offers for Mason Plumlee become a bit too pricey, I could see a deal like that become appealing especially since there is a trade history between both organizations.
knicks1248 wrote:I'm not crazy at about KOQ at all, he was wildly inconsistent in every phase of his game, shooting(not enough)passing, defense, energy, this guy would make 2 or 3 really good defensive plays, and the next possession give half ass effort. He's a solid 3rd string fwd on a good team and a starter on a bad team, and to make matters worse. he's never been on a good team, and doesn't exactly know how to play winning a basketball. I think he gets paid exactly what he deserves, not a penny more. Great locker room guy though
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Not sure KOQ will ever have more value than right now...UNLESS he's had the same kind of season in 2017/8 that he had this past year at the time of the next trade deadline.
Have to say I was pretty happy with him this year...so I have no issue if we end up keeping him.
i would keep him. He's been productive, and certainly good value at his contract
sometimes he gives the coach the eye roll or glare but he does bring good energy too, and i think when (notice i didn't say "if", because i'm a hopeless optimist) we start winning we'll see an even better Kyle,
also when we get rid of the ball-stopping hogs we'll see a better kyle. he likes to touch the ball but he also passes
Yep the opt out is the problem he is a great contract now paying 12 million a year makes him a lot less valuable
yellowboy90 wrote:
I do like O'Quinn and thought he should have played over Seraphin 2 yrs ago but I also think as he age his shortcomings will start to show through. His lack of athleticism has lead him to become a pull and tug to get leverage guy and I am not sure he can keep up his excellent blk rate which pretty much is his only saving grace as a defender. O'Quinn is a good player now though and would be an excellent back up on a playoff team. The Spurs, Blazers, OKC, and even GSW would be nice places for him.
The problem going forward is that Kyle has an opt out after next year and I doubt he will be looking to stay at the same price. Do you really want to lock up a 28 y/o back up on a team who has a long way to go in their rebuild and already has two younger players that play his position? So I think the best option would be to sell high and try to find a younger player on a cost controlled salary.
yellowboy90 wrote:
I do like O'Quinn and thought he should have played over Seraphin 2 yrs ago but I also think as he age his shortcomings will start to show through. His lack of athleticism has lead him to become a pull and tug to get leverage guy and I am not sure he can keep up his excellent blk rate which pretty much is his only saving grace as a defender. O'Quinn is a good player now though and would be an excellent back up on a playoff team. The Spurs, Blazers, OKC, and even GSW would be nice places for him.
The problem going forward is that Kyle has an opt out after next year and I doubt he will be looking to stay at the same price. Do you really want to lock up a 28 y/o back up on a team who has a long way to go in their rebuild and already has two younger players that play his position? So I think the best option would be to sell high and try to find a younger player on a cost controlled salary.
Agreed. Sell high. Ideally we could get a late 1st round pick, who would be locked into 4 years of a rookie contract.
Jmpasq wrote:Yep the opt out is the problem he is a great contract now paying 12 million a year makes him a lot less valuableyellowboy90 wrote:
I do like O'Quinn and thought he should have played over Seraphin 2 yrs ago but I also think as he age his shortcomings will start to show through. His lack of athleticism has lead him to become a pull and tug to get leverage guy and I am not sure he can keep up his excellent blk rate which pretty much is his only saving grace as a defender. O'Quinn is a good player now though and would be an excellent back up on a playoff team. The Spurs, Blazers, OKC, and even GSW would be nice places for him.
The problem going forward is that Kyle has an opt out after next year and I doubt he will be looking to stay at the same price. Do you really want to lock up a 28 y/o back up on a team who has a long way to go in their rebuild and already has two younger players that play his position? So I think the best option would be to sell high and try to find a younger player on a cost controlled salary.
Yeah and we already have Noah too. So that's $30 mil a year on those two guys.
of course thats what everyone wants and your going to pay out the ass for them and this franchise is a frickin mess
