Knicks · Instead of taking ANY bad deal for C Anthony (page 1)
BRIGGS wrote:Why don't we restructure his contributions as a sixth man? Many good players develop into solid 6th men as they get older. What exactly would be wrong with 25 minutes of Carmelo off the bench? Most 6th men are brought into score--that would be putting Melo against 2nd unit players--limiting his minutes should enhance his efficiency levels and take the pressure of carrying the team off his back. Why trade Anthony for a bad deal? Unless it makes sense--make him our 6th man.
Because he doesn't know how to put the team's needs ahead of his own ego. The best thing is to cut him and eat the contract. Let Rose go as well, use the cap space to sign quality two way players in FA. Melo is a bad deal, if you trade him you will get a bad deal on return. No one is going to give us anything of value for him, if we can get a first round pick from someone that would be an incredible accomplishment.
BRIGGS wrote:Why don't we restructure his contributions as a sixth man? Many good players develop into solid 6th men as they get older. What exactly would be wrong with 25 minutes of Carmelo off the bench? Most 6th men are brought into score--that would be putting Melo against 2nd unit players--limiting his minutes should enhance his efficiency levels and take the pressure of carrying the team off his back. Why trade Anthony for a bad deal? Unless it makes sense--make him our 6th man.
That'd work fine so long as the team was thriving.
If the team is struggling, particularly offensively, it'd become an all-consuming distraction that despite the struggles you're leaving one of the top NBA scorers on the bench for long stretches.
Good in theory, unlikely in application.
Paris907 wrote:He'd would whine endlessly (ask Lin) as Melos ego is extraordinary. Yet he'd find a way to take 15-17 jumpers in 20-25 minutes. If the deals are weak I'm in Crot ms Melo will bitch
This. Melo's ego will not allow him to take a back seat to anybody.
Knickoftime wrote:Yeah. I think the Knicks are lacking too much in talent for him to embrace the role of coming off the bench. But a rested Melo going against second unit guys would be very effective. With limited trade partners it might be the best option. Melo is owed over 54 mil for 2 years. I don't see the Knicks waiving him and I don't think he goes out of his way to help Phil get a deal done or relief from the financial obligation owed him after Phil's press conference.BRIGGS wrote:Why don't we restructure his contributions as a sixth man? Many good players develop into solid 6th men as they get older. What exactly would be wrong with 25 minutes of Carmelo off the bench? Most 6th men are brought into score--that would be putting Melo against 2nd unit players--limiting his minutes should enhance his efficiency levels and take the pressure of carrying the team off his back. Why trade Anthony for a bad deal? Unless it makes sense--make him our 6th man.That'd work fine so long as the team was thriving.
If the team is struggling, particularly offensively, it'd become an all-consuming distraction that despite the struggles you're leaving one of the top NBA scorers on the bench for long stretches.
Good in theory, unlikely in application.
CrushAlot wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Yeah. I think the Knicks are lacking too much in talent for him to embrace the role of coming off the bench. But a rested Melo going against second unit guys would be very effective. With limited trade partners it might be the best option. Melo is owed over 54 mil for 2 years. I don't see the Knicks waiving him and I don't think he goes out of his way to help Phil get a deal done or relief from the financial obligation owed him after Phil's press conference.BRIGGS wrote:Why don't we restructure his contributions as a sixth man? Many good players develop into solid 6th men as they get older. What exactly would be wrong with 25 minutes of Carmelo off the bench? Most 6th men are brought into score--that would be putting Melo against 2nd unit players--limiting his minutes should enhance his efficiency levels and take the pressure of carrying the team off his back. Why trade Anthony for a bad deal? Unless it makes sense--make him our 6th man.That'd work fine so long as the team was thriving.
If the team is struggling, particularly offensively, it'd become an all-consuming distraction that despite the struggles you're leaving one of the top NBA scorers on the bench for long stretches.
Good in theory, unlikely in application.
PLEASE! Melo wouldn't ease the financial burden if he and Phil were blowing kisses to each other all year. Don't try to paint this as Melo only being difficult because of Phil's Presser. Melo knew we needed as much cap space as possible to build and he took only the very smallest off the top of his new deal.
We should not expect much of anything from Melo in the way of helping the team. I no longer care what Melo does. Stay, get traded or bought out! It doesn't matter to me. We know what Melo brings scoring wise so him being here is simply more of the same. If they trade Melo it's more important who is brought in cuz we don't want to get stuck with a guy taking up huge cap but not providing good value in production. A buyout may be the only logical route to take.
Melo thinks he is in the league of Dunkans and Dirks...
That he is among elite who start to the end with may be less minutes but still flushing greatness and command respect.
Of course he is not... but reality is nothing and perception is everything.
Melo put himself in the corner with no exit in sight...
He and his agent must get creative or he will have miserable 2 years...
If he is down with "sacrificing his game" for the greater good of the team, I think that would be great. Ginobli did it for years.
nixluva wrote:Phil gave more authority to the player option crusher Rambis in February and has stated that this is going to continue in the near future. I think Melo would have considered waiving part of his trade kicker if the cba allowed it and it was the right situation for him after it was clear that the Knicks were not going to win for the next two years. I also think he would have allowed his agent to work with the Knicks to get another contract to relieve them of some of the financial burden the deal Phil gave him will cost them for the next three years. But Phil's presser took it too far. Also, if Paul leaves the Clips no deal is happening.CrushAlot wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Yeah. I think the Knicks are lacking too much in talent for him to embrace the role of coming off the bench. But a rested Melo going against second unit guys would be very effective. With limited trade partners it might be the best option. Melo is owed over 54 mil for 2 years. I don't see the Knicks waiving him and I don't think he goes out of his way to help Phil get a deal done or relief from the financial obligation owed him after Phil's press conference.BRIGGS wrote:Why don't we restructure his contributions as a sixth man? Many good players develop into solid 6th men as they get older. What exactly would be wrong with 25 minutes of Carmelo off the bench? Most 6th men are brought into score--that would be putting Melo against 2nd unit players--limiting his minutes should enhance his efficiency levels and take the pressure of carrying the team off his back. Why trade Anthony for a bad deal? Unless it makes sense--make him our 6th man.That'd work fine so long as the team was thriving.
If the team is struggling, particularly offensively, it'd become an all-consuming distraction that despite the struggles you're leaving one of the top NBA scorers on the bench for long stretches.
Good in theory, unlikely in application.
PLEASE! Melo wouldn't ease the financial burden if he and Phil were blowing kisses to each other all year. Don't try to paint this as Melo only being difficult because of Phil's Presser. Melo knew we needed as much cap space as possible to build and he took only the very smallest off the top of his new deal.
We should not expect much of anything from Melo in the way of helping the team. I no longer care what Melo does. Stay, get traded or bought out! It doesn't matter to me. We know what Melo brings scoring wise so him being here is simply more of the same. If they trade Melo it's more important who is brought in cuz we don't want to get stuck with a guy taking up huge cap but not providing good value in production. A buyout may be the only logical route to take.
Nalod wrote:Melo was an all star still this past season.If he is down with "sacrificing his game" for the greater good of the team, I think that would be great. Ginobli did it for years.
No he wasnt, he get into all stars just because of Love injury
CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Phil gave more authority to the player option crusher Rambis in February and has stated that this is going to continue in the near future. I think Melo would have considered waiving part of his trade kicker if the cba allowed it and it was the right situation for him after it was clear that the Knicks were not going to win for the next two years. I also think he would have allowed his agent to work with the Knicks to get another contract to relieve them of some of the financial burden the deal Phil gave him will cost them for the next three years. But Phil's presser took it too far. Also, if Paul leaves the Clips no deal is happening.CrushAlot wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Yeah. I think the Knicks are lacking too much in talent for him to embrace the role of coming off the bench. But a rested Melo going against second unit guys would be very effective. With limited trade partners it might be the best option. Melo is owed over 54 mil for 2 years. I don't see the Knicks waiving him and I don't think he goes out of his way to help Phil get a deal done or relief from the financial obligation owed him after Phil's press conference.BRIGGS wrote:Why don't we restructure his contributions as a sixth man? Many good players develop into solid 6th men as they get older. What exactly would be wrong with 25 minutes of Carmelo off the bench? Most 6th men are brought into score--that would be putting Melo against 2nd unit players--limiting his minutes should enhance his efficiency levels and take the pressure of carrying the team off his back. Why trade Anthony for a bad deal? Unless it makes sense--make him our 6th man.That'd work fine so long as the team was thriving.
If the team is struggling, particularly offensively, it'd become an all-consuming distraction that despite the struggles you're leaving one of the top NBA scorers on the bench for long stretches.
Good in theory, unlikely in application.
PLEASE! Melo wouldn't ease the financial burden if he and Phil were blowing kisses to each other all year. Don't try to paint this as Melo only being difficult because of Phil's Presser. Melo knew we needed as much cap space as possible to build and he took only the very smallest off the top of his new deal.
We should not expect much of anything from Melo in the way of helping the team. I no longer care what Melo does. Stay, get traded or bought out! It doesn't matter to me. We know what Melo brings scoring wise so him being here is simply more of the same. If they trade Melo it's more important who is brought in cuz we don't want to get stuck with a guy taking up huge cap but not providing good value in production. A buyout may be the only logical route to take.
If Chris Paul goes to SAS to win a chip, why can't Chris Paul come here? Granted, he's not likely to win a chip with us - but it is NYC, he would be with his bestie, Melo. And add Paul, #8 pick this year and honest, with some luck on the health front with Noah & LT, we're right there in the play offs in the east.
BRIGGS wrote:Why don't we restructure his contributions as a sixth man? Many good players develop into solid 6th men as they get older. What exactly would be wrong with 25 minutes of Carmelo off the bench? Most 6th men are brought into score--that would be putting Melo against 2nd unit players--limiting his minutes should enhance his efficiency levels and take the pressure of carrying the team off his back. Why trade Anthony for a bad deal? Unless it makes sense--make him our 6th man.
BRIGGS wrote:Why don't we restructure his contributions as a sixth man? Many good players develop into solid 6th men as they get older. What exactly would be wrong with 25 minutes of Carmelo off the bench? Most 6th men are brought into score--that would be putting Melo against 2nd unit players--limiting his minutes should enhance his efficiency levels and take the pressure of carrying the team off his back. Why trade Anthony for a bad deal? Unless it makes sense--make him our 6th man.
This would be a role for him if the starting SF was better then him, what sense would that make to start a pj tucker or some other 10 point scorer ahead of him.
franco12 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Phil gave more authority to the player option crusher Rambis in February and has stated that this is going to continue in the near future. I think Melo would have considered waiving part of his trade kicker if the cba allowed it and it was the right situation for him after it was clear that the Knicks were not going to win for the next two years. I also think he would have allowed his agent to work with the Knicks to get another contract to relieve them of some of the financial burden the deal Phil gave him will cost them for the next three years. But Phil's presser took it too far. Also, if Paul leaves the Clips no deal is happening.CrushAlot wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Yeah. I think the Knicks are lacking too much in talent for him to embrace the role of coming off the bench. But a rested Melo going against second unit guys would be very effective. With limited trade partners it might be the best option. Melo is owed over 54 mil for 2 years. I don't see the Knicks waiving him and I don't think he goes out of his way to help Phil get a deal done or relief from the financial obligation owed him after Phil's press conference.BRIGGS wrote:Why don't we restructure his contributions as a sixth man? Many good players develop into solid 6th men as they get older. What exactly would be wrong with 25 minutes of Carmelo off the bench? Most 6th men are brought into score--that would be putting Melo against 2nd unit players--limiting his minutes should enhance his efficiency levels and take the pressure of carrying the team off his back. Why trade Anthony for a bad deal? Unless it makes sense--make him our 6th man.That'd work fine so long as the team was thriving.
If the team is struggling, particularly offensively, it'd become an all-consuming distraction that despite the struggles you're leaving one of the top NBA scorers on the bench for long stretches.
Good in theory, unlikely in application.
PLEASE! Melo wouldn't ease the financial burden if he and Phil were blowing kisses to each other all year. Don't try to paint this as Melo only being difficult because of Phil's Presser. Melo knew we needed as much cap space as possible to build and he took only the very smallest off the top of his new deal.
We should not expect much of anything from Melo in the way of helping the team. I no longer care what Melo does. Stay, get traded or bought out! It doesn't matter to me. We know what Melo brings scoring wise so him being here is simply more of the same. If they trade Melo it's more important who is brought in cuz we don't want to get stuck with a guy taking up huge cap but not providing good value in production. A buyout may be the only logical route to take.
If Chris Paul goes to SAS to win a chip, why can't Chris Paul come here? Granted, he's not likely to win a chip with us - but it is NYC, he would be with his bestie, Melo. And add Paul, #8 pick this year and honest, with some luck on the health front with Noah & LT, we're right there in the play offs in the east.
This is my line of thinking, but paul is a ball dominating pg like Jennings, he gets guys open, he will never come down give up the rock, and go wait in the corner or top of the arc in the triangle...patty mills is the pg this system needs
knicks1248 wrote:franco12 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Phil gave more authority to the player option crusher Rambis in February and has stated that this is going to continue in the near future. I think Melo would have considered waiving part of his trade kicker if the cba allowed it and it was the right situation for him after it was clear that the Knicks were not going to win for the next two years. I also think he would have allowed his agent to work with the Knicks to get another contract to relieve them of some of the financial burden the deal Phil gave him will cost them for the next three years. But Phil's presser took it too far. Also, if Paul leaves the Clips no deal is happening.CrushAlot wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Yeah. I think the Knicks are lacking too much in talent for him to embrace the role of coming off the bench. But a rested Melo going against second unit guys would be very effective. With limited trade partners it might be the best option. Melo is owed over 54 mil for 2 years. I don't see the Knicks waiving him and I don't think he goes out of his way to help Phil get a deal done or relief from the financial obligation owed him after Phil's press conference.BRIGGS wrote:Why don't we restructure his contributions as a sixth man? Many good players develop into solid 6th men as they get older. What exactly would be wrong with 25 minutes of Carmelo off the bench? Most 6th men are brought into score--that would be putting Melo against 2nd unit players--limiting his minutes should enhance his efficiency levels and take the pressure of carrying the team off his back. Why trade Anthony for a bad deal? Unless it makes sense--make him our 6th man.That'd work fine so long as the team was thriving.
If the team is struggling, particularly offensively, it'd become an all-consuming distraction that despite the struggles you're leaving one of the top NBA scorers on the bench for long stretches.
Good in theory, unlikely in application.
PLEASE! Melo wouldn't ease the financial burden if he and Phil were blowing kisses to each other all year. Don't try to paint this as Melo only being difficult because of Phil's Presser. Melo knew we needed as much cap space as possible to build and he took only the very smallest off the top of his new deal.
We should not expect much of anything from Melo in the way of helping the team. I no longer care what Melo does. Stay, get traded or bought out! It doesn't matter to me. We know what Melo brings scoring wise so him being here is simply more of the same. If they trade Melo it's more important who is brought in cuz we don't want to get stuck with a guy taking up huge cap but not providing good value in production. A buyout may be the only logical route to take.
If Chris Paul goes to SAS to win a chip, why can't Chris Paul come here? Granted, he's not likely to win a chip with us - but it is NYC, he would be with his bestie, Melo. And add Paul, #8 pick this year and honest, with some luck on the health front with Noah & LT, we're right there in the play offs in the east.
This is my line of thinking, but paul is a ball dominating pg like Jennings, he gets guys open, he will never come down give up the rock, and go wait in the corner or top of the arc in the triangle...patty mills is the pg this system needs
This is why you don't burn bridges.
I've advocated rebuilding - tear it all down.
At one point last year, when everyone was healthy- we showed signs of being a real team. I think health and Phil got in the way some.
But, if you have a chance to add Chris Paul and #8 pick, I think it's a no brainer. Granted, that line up doesn't get out of the east, and it probably sets back the ability to nab a franchise talent in the 2018 draft- which I think we need to be able to do- but it would be nice to have a real PG in NYC and would make the Knicks worth watching for 82 games, which they weren't this past season.