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dacash @ 5/31/2017 5:49 PM
nene says melo could have been the best but is too selfish

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/nene-carmelo-anthony-selfish-couldve-best-league/

Vmart @ 5/31/2017 7:13 PM
Nothing we already didn't know.
fwk00 @ 5/31/2017 7:23 PM
I'm glad Phil didn't say it.
yellowboy90 @ 5/31/2017 7:51 PM
dacash wrote:nene says melo could have been the best but is too selfish

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/nene-carme...

arkrud @ 5/31/2017 8:58 PM
dacash wrote:nene says melo could have been the best but is too selfish

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/nene-carmelo-anthony-selfish-couldve-best-league/

He is the best... in being selfish.

Chandler @ 5/31/2017 8:58 PM
Ouch
CrushAlot @ 5/31/2017 9:11 PM
Nene: “Carmelo man… He’s a guy who could’ve been the best player in the League—the way he uses his body, the accuracy on his shots, the variation of dribbles and shots that he has, and his low-post fundamentals…”

He’s insane in the post. His jab step is the best in the League.

Nene: “Yeah he is simply the best down there, but he’s just too selfish. He can’t make his teammates better. If he did that, he could’ve been the best in the League. Oh, and if he played defense… Because he knows how to guard people, I played with him for 8 years, so I know.”


Read more at http://www.slamonline.com/nba/nene-carmelo-anthony-selfish-couldve-best-league/#czGm62vYtvZP7m1M.99

dacash @ 5/31/2017 9:16 PM
ny papers should talk about how he is hurting melo's trade value
CrushAlot @ 5/31/2017 9:43 PM
dacash wrote:ny papers should talk about how he is hurting melo's trade value
They know who his teammates are.
meloshouldgo @ 6/1/2017 6:35 AM
dacash wrote:ny papers should talk about how he is hurting melo's trade value

Yeah shame on Nene for not talking to Melo first if he had a problem with his game. Besties off!!
The Incredible Sulk has been deeply hurt by the Brazilian conspiracy.

Nalod @ 6/1/2017 8:28 AM
Nobody sees the compliment, just the criticism!!!
That George Karl is everywhere!!!!


JR smith said this:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...

OAKLAND - If Phil Jackson gets his way, Carmelo Anthony's final moments with the Knicks will be on the bench in flip flops, watching his teammates polish off another lottery-bound campaign.

That was the enduring scene from the season finale last month, and a divorce only seemed more inevitable after Phil Jackson declared Anthony is better off playing elsewhere.

But nearly seven weeks later, there's been no indication Anthony is willing to heed Jackson's advice and waive the no-trade clause. In fact, two of his friends and former teammates said Wednesday they believe Anthony wants to stick it out with the Knicks.

"Sometimes you feel like it's just unfinished business, and I feel like that's what it is with Melo," said Cavs guard Iman Shumpert. "He don't want to leave on that note."

"He does want to stay in New York. He made the effort to get to New York," Smith said. "Granted, it hasn't gone as well as he hoped it would. But I'm sure that's where he wants to be."

Anthony has been about as low-key as possible this offseason, with his social media accounts going dark since mid-April (a long drought by his standards), and the only public trace of his existence being a workout session he navigated while wearing a dark hoodie.

During this time of silence, Jackson reiterated that he wants to deal his star and reports leaked that Anthony is fathering a baby outside of his high-profile marriage.

Regarding his conflict with Jackson, Anthony has benefitted from a swell of public support, including from two players who can relate -- Smith and Shumpert. Both were criticized by Jackson in an article published two years ago, when the Knicks president said Smith exhibited "delinquent behavior" and Shumpert's personality was "difficult" to handle.

"It's unfortunate how many jabs (Anthony's) taken for no reason. But I guess it's part of the system," Smith said, taking his own jab at Jackson's buzzword, 'system.'

Smith added that it's been tough on Anthony because he works hard and, "It's just that the game, so-to-speak, has gone away from his playing style."

While that last part could certainly be interpreted as an insult to Anthony (the ball movement of the elite teams often counters Anthony's isolation style), it's more likely Smith was referring specifically to the triangle offense, not that the NBA game has passed him by. After all, Smith was friends with Anthony before and after Jackson shipped him to Cleveland.

Same with Shumpert.

"I don't think (Jackson) should've been so vocal about (wanting to trade Anthony)," Shumpert said. "That's just me. I think a lot of stuff is better if everybody just assumes what's going on and they don't really know what's going on. I didn't like that it was publicized, but what am I going to do? He said some stuff about me too.

"I know it's not going to bother Melo's jumpshot next season. Melo is going to continue to work and get better, and continue to try to win. That's all he can do."

The writer puts a funny twist on the article making his interpretation that Smith was talking about the triangle being "Past him by" but not Melo's game.

Smith and Shump have found great success in Cleveland and while perhaps deserving of being critical FROM Phil, and Phil deserving of their being upset with phil, perhaps a debt of gratitude to phil for making it possible to be in cleveland might not be a terrible thing either.

Nalod believes if JR has a good series the Cav's should win. He has all star talent and Cav's will need that 4th wheel. Draymond will be tough on Love.

StarksEwing1 @ 6/1/2017 8:43 AM
Nene makes some valid points. Despite my criticisms of melo I actually never thought of Melo as being selfish on purpose. I think he honestly feels that he gives the team the best chance to win by dominating the ball. Nene is right Melo is great in the post and his jab step move is fun to watch when he is on his game. HOWEVER he has never been a great overall player. His biggest strength is his scoring but the other parts of the game don't even come close to that which is a problem when you want to build a contender around him. That's why I have always said that Melo fits perfectly as the 2nd guy on a contending team who can provide the scoring
NYKBocker @ 6/1/2017 8:45 AM
Everything nene said was spot on. Jr and shump sounds like a good friend sticking with their friend. Also..Jr and shump is probably still sore about how phil just discarded them.

Melo should have been one of the greatest. A lot of basketball people has said this. The problem is that Melo never understood team ball. He is the product of the aau system. I have a kid now in aau and the play is spectacular yet horrible. You see one on one plays but gone are team basketball. I decided to put my son to a coach who is a championship hs coach but coaches fundamentals even in aau. We lose a lot but I am happy with my sons skill development. Oops....went off on a tangent...sorry

StarksEwing1 @ 6/1/2017 8:48 AM
NYKBocker wrote:Everything nene said was spot on. Jr and shump sounds like a good friend sticking with their friend. Also..Jr and shump is probably still sore about how phil just discarded them.

Melo should have been one of the greatest. A lot of basketball people has said this. The problem is that Melo never understood team ball. He is the product of the aau system. I have a kid now in aau and the play is spectacular yet horrible. You see one on one plays but gone are team basketball. I decided to put my son to a coach who is a championship hs coach but coaches fundamentals even in aau. We lose a lot but I am happy with my sons skill development. Oops....went off on a tangent...sorry

You make solid points. However some players just don't have a good overall game either because they weren't taught or because they were told that their strength would carry them through.
fishmike @ 6/1/2017 8:49 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Nene: “Carmelo man… He’s a guy who could’ve been the best player in the League—the way he uses his body, the accuracy on his shots, the variation of dribbles and shots that he has, and his low-post fundamentals…”

He’s insane in the post. His jab step is the best in the League.

Nene: “Yeah he is simply the best down there, but he’s just too selfish. He can’t make his teammates better. If he did that, he could’ve been the best in the League. Oh, and if he played defense… Because he knows how to guard people, I played with him for 8 years, so I know.”


Read more at http://www.slamonline.com/nba/nene-carmelo-anthony-selfish-couldve-best-league/#czGm62vYtvZP7m1M.99

I think Nene needs to read some of those articles JRod posted about how bad Melo's teammates have been
Vmart @ 6/1/2017 9:01 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Nene makes some valid points. Despite my criticisms of melo I actually never thought of Melo as being selfish on purpose. I think he honestly feels that he gives the team the best chance to win by dominating the ball. Nene is right Melo is great in the post and his jab step move is fun to watch when he is on his game. HOWEVER he has never been a great overall player. His biggest strength is his scoring but the other parts of the game don't even come close to that which is a problem when you want to build a contender around him. That's why I have always said that Melo fits perfectly as the 2nd guy on a contending team who can provide the scoring

Great? That is a load of horse crap. What makes Melo so great, is he shooting a high percentage? This guy has tools but man the over exaggerating people do amazes me. Melo never learned that if he passes his FG percentage automatically goes up instead he forces the situation and finds a way to get a bad shot off. Yeah he is great there is a teammate open. Doesn't matter if he misses or not it's the right play. Just as I thought his pass to Jared Jefferies was the right play. Make your teammates better. Besides Melo knows what people like its scoring don't matter if you shoot less than 45% as long as the scoring number looks good you get paid.

knicks1248 @ 6/1/2017 9:18 AM
A mediocre player talking about another player should be better..lol
NYKBocker @ 6/1/2017 9:27 AM
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Nene: “Carmelo man… He’s a guy who could’ve been the best player in the League—the way he uses his body, the accuracy on his shots, the variation of dribbles and shots that he has, and his low-post fundamentals…”

He’s insane in the post. His jab step is the best in the League.

Nene: “Yeah he is simply the best down there, but he’s just too selfish. He can’t make his teammates better. If he did that, he could’ve been the best in the League. Oh, and if he played defense… Because he knows how to guard people, I played with him for 8 years, so I know.”


Read more at http://www.slamonline.com/nba/nene-carmelo-anthony-selfish-couldve-best-league/#czGm62vYtvZP7m1M.99

I think Nene needs to read some of those articles JRod posted about how bad Melo's teammates have been

Melo should have made those players better and at least a winning season. Let's compare with Lebron because ultimately Lebron is the player melo will be compared to.

Lebron's rookie year with the Cavs he changed the team from a 17 win team and ranked 15th in the east to 35 win team and ranked 9th in the east.
In his 2nd year the Cavs was a 42 win team and ranked 9th in the east.
He did this with Ricky Davis, Kevin Ollie, Carlos Boozer, Ilgauskus and the like. A bad roster.

The next year they were a 50 win team and seeded 4th in the east. Doing this with a similar roster adding Eric Snow, Drew Gooden and Larry Hughes. No stars there.

The next year was the same except they were seeded 2nd in the east.

My point is that if you are a great player then you should be able to elevate team play and success. Melo's teammates compared to Lebron's teammates were pretty similar. Yeah, Lebron got to play with Wade and Bosh but I am comparing their work against Lebron's early Cav years.

knicks1248 @ 6/1/2017 9:30 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Everything nene said was spot on. Jr and shump sounds like a good friend sticking with their friend. Also..Jr and shump is probably still sore about how phil just discarded them.

Melo should have been one of the greatest. A lot of basketball people has said this. The problem is that Melo never understood team ball. He is the product of the aau system. I have a kid now in aau and the play is spectacular yet horrible. You see one on one plays but gone are team basketball. I decided to put my son to a coach who is a championship hs coach but coaches fundamentals even in aau. We lose a lot but I am happy with my sons skill development. Oops....went off on a tangent...sorry

You make solid points. However some players just don't have a good overall game either because they weren't taught or because they were told that their strength would carry them through.

It's like saying, why can't everybody in the league shoot like curry, or skill full like LBJ, or as competitive as MJ, bird, and magic. Why couldn't allan Houston play defense like Starks.

I just look at players for who they are, and utilize their skill set to my advantage (if im a gm)
A balance roster is suppose to cover everyones flaws if your a good GM/Prez.

Vmart @ 6/1/2017 10:02 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Everything nene said was spot on. Jr and shump sounds like a good friend sticking with their friend. Also..Jr and shump is probably still sore about how phil just discarded them.

Melo should have been one of the greatest. A lot of basketball people has said this. The problem is that Melo never understood team ball. He is the product of the aau system. I have a kid now in aau and the play is spectacular yet horrible. You see one on one plays but gone are team basketball. I decided to put my son to a coach who is a championship hs coach but coaches fundamentals even in aau. We lose a lot but I am happy with my sons skill development. Oops....went off on a tangent...sorry

You make solid points. However some players just don't have a good overall game either because they weren't taught or because they were told that their strength would carry them through.

It's like saying, why can't everybody in the league shoot like curry, or skill full like LBJ, or as competitive as MJ, bird, and magic. Why couldn't allan Houston play defense like Starks.

I just look at players for who they are, and utilize their skill set to my advantage (if im a gm)
A balance roster is suppose to cover everyones flaws if your a good GM/Prez.

Ok man thank for what you like. But how would you utilize a player like Melo. Who may not buy into what your plans for the team might be.

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