Knicks · Is Frank Mason a better PG prospect than Frank N or Dennis Smith? (page 1)

BRIGGS @ 6/1/2017 11:06 AM
After watching and re-watching over and over--my vote---YES.
yellowboy90 @ 6/1/2017 11:25 AM
I don't know let's compare in 3 years when Frank N and Dennis are Mason's age.
fishmike @ 6/1/2017 11:53 AM
He might be. Its very possible. Mason also showed a 40 inch plus vert so he's got some hops. However you should rename your title, because as a prospect Mason is most certainly NOT better. He's a better player at 24 years old, as one would expect being 5 years older than the other two you mentioned. Smith is smallish as well. Frank however his not, and he's already playing with grown men and his role is as a defender and not to make mistakes. We also dont know how good an athlete Frank really is. He's much longer than those players so he will appear slower, but with Frank's size he has upside, especially on defense the other two cant sniff.
PhilinLA @ 6/1/2017 11:54 AM
I don't think so.
newyorker4ever @ 6/1/2017 12:47 PM
No
Nalod @ 6/1/2017 1:12 PM
Im going to guess 23 year old 5-11 guard won't have as much appeal longer term than 6-3 19 year old Smith missed his senior year in high school and still avged 18 and 6 playing in the ACC. Even 19 year olds need to shake rust off when missing a year. Still, a kid, a rookie in the ACC still did that? On a shytty team?

Im not taking anything from Frank Mason, hell of a player and polished. I know DRose patina is on Smith, or Steve Francis, and I'd even go Marbury. 6-3 and powerful player type. Great player talent, but one would hope Dennis has a better head than those three.

French Frank is a mystery. Euro underwhelming stats given they don't play kids much (KP, Willy)but he'll have to impress in a workout.

nixluva @ 6/1/2017 1:40 PM
Nitty may never really reach potential so he's hard to gauge. Smith tho is a different story he's already a better prospect than Nitty or Mason IMO.
Knixkik @ 6/1/2017 2:51 PM
I would compare Mason to Smith at age 19. Ntilikina is only 18 and would likely be a high school senior in the US. You have to consider that Mason is already 23, which basically makes him the age of a 5th year senior.
BRIGGS @ 6/1/2017 3:50 PM
It's kind of like saying
Who's better Dante exum or isiah thomas
meloshouldgo @ 6/1/2017 3:53 PM
NiLeeKiNa (not Nitty) please.
Still think he is the best PG we can get, mainly because he is a PG that can pad and defend better than the competition
fishmike @ 6/1/2017 4:29 PM
BRIGGS wrote:It's kind of like saying
Who's better jordan mickey or nate wolters
fixed
nixluva @ 6/1/2017 4:55 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:NiLeeKiNa (not Nitty) please.
Still think he is the best PG we can get, mainly because he is a PG that can pad and defend better than the competition

Nitty is his actual nickname!

reub @ 6/1/2017 6:54 PM
Mason shot 57% from three last season. He's the same height as CP3, Conley and Lillard. May be stronger than all of them. He's smart and knows what he's doing out there. He gets to the foul line. Has an excellent first step. Great hops. Vision. I say yes, he's better. I want him!
BigDaddyG @ 6/1/2017 7:21 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:NiLeeKiNa (not Nitty) please.
Still think he is the best PG we can get, mainly because he is a PG that can pad and defend better than the competition

I assumed the N was silent. TiLaKeena. That's how the draft board experts pronounce it.

BigDaddyG @ 6/1/2017 7:28 PM
fishmike wrote:He might be. Its very possible. Mason also showed a 40 inch plus vert so he's got some hops. However you should rename your title, because as a prospect Mason is most certainly NOT better. He's a better player at 24 years old, as one would expect being 5 years older than the other two you mentioned. Smith is smallish as well. Frank however his not, and he's already playing with grown men and his role is as a defender and not to make mistakes. We also dont know how good an athlete Frank really is. He's much longer than those players so he will appear slower, but with Frank's size he has upside, especially on defense the other two cant sniff.

Yes, it's hard to compare a guy playing with grown men with a guy playing against college kids. Especially an older man. Physically, I'm going to say no. Is his game more mature? Sure, but he's played in college longer.
meloshouldgo @ 6/1/2017 10:06 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:NiLeeKiNa (not Nitty) please.
Still think he is the best PG we can get, mainly because he is a PG that can pad and defend better than the competition

I assumed the N was silent. TiLaKeena. That's how the draft board experts pronounce it.

I got that from a poster on Reddit who seemed to know what he was talking about

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments...

NYKBocker @ 6/1/2017 10:15 PM
fishmike wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:It's kind of like saying
Who's better jordan mickey or nate wolters
fixed
BJ Mullens
BigDaddyG @ 6/2/2017 9:22 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:NiLeeKiNa (not Nitty) please.
Still think he is the best PG we can get, mainly because he is a PG that can pad and defend better than the competition

I assumed the N was silent. TiLaKeena. That's how the draft board experts pronounce it.

I got that from a poster on Reddit who seemed to know what he was talking about

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments...


Lol a nasally N sound. That makes the pronunciation sound even weirder. I'll stick with French Kid for now.
Kemet @ 6/2/2017 7:27 PM
I want us to draft both .. Frank Nitty for his combo-guard Defense plus draft Frank Mason for his high IQ being a pass-first PG .... Baker n Randle had their first shot .. be gone
Finestrg @ 6/2/2017 7:51 PM
Kemet wrote:I want us to draft both .. Frank Nitty for his combo-guard Defense plus draft Frank Mason for his high IQ being a pass-first PG .... Baker n Randle had their first shot .. be gone

Good post, esp. the Baker and Randle part. Those two are okay, nothing more. Can't go into next year thinking those two are main cogs. I like them both but truth of the matter is they probably don't even make half the 15-man rosters out there. More than half...I definitely want to see upgrades over both of those guys.

Not sure I think he's better than Smith but yeah, I like this kid Mason a lot. NBAdraft.net compares him to Pierre Jackson/Yogi Ferrell -- two other 6'-ish PGs I like (Yogi looked good last yr for the Nets and Jackson's made it back nicely from a pretty severe injury). Those two can play. So can Patty Mills on the Spurs, Bryce Cotton when he's gotten a chance... There's room for a 6' PG in the NBA if you can play and Mason can play. Brings a lot to the table across the board. He's be a good pickup.

newyorker4ever @ 6/4/2017 11:49 AM
Good read on DSJ.

https://t.co/BwCLCYiuwo


Knicks only can hope to snag ‘one of the great point guards’
North Carolina State star Dennis Smith Jr. AP
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The celebration inside the Neuse Christian Academy locker room in Red Springs, N.C., became wild after the high-school team survived a last-second battle against Freedom Christian. That is, until its coach, Ken Adrian, angrily entered the room.

“You guys are all proud and going crazy,’’ he snapped at them. “You guys just beat an eighth grader.”

That eighth grader was Dennis Smith Jr., who had dominated his older opponents. Shooting guard Terry Henderson played alongside Smith at North Carolina State this season and created their share of highlight plays, but the two were opponents in that game five years ago. It remains an indelible memory.

“I’ve been a fan ever since that moment,’’ Henderson recalled. “Checked up on him, saw him grow as a young man. So I’m not surprised now. I saw it coming a long time ago. Throwing the ball off the backboard and dunking it in the eighth grade of a high-school game. He was doing things eighth-graders don’t do.’’

The 6-foot-3, 19-year-old point guard — known by his friends as “Junior” — finished his freshman year at N.C. State and became the NBA draft’s most mysteriously intriguing draft prospect — called its most athletic prospect.

Yet, partly because of N.C. State’s miserable season (4-14 in the ACC), fusses about bad body language, a bad injury (torn ACL before his senior year in high school) and spotty pick-and-roll defense, several mock drafts have him dipping to No. 8, where the Knicks sit.

However, The Post has learned Smith will work out for the Celtics on June 7. Yes, the Celtics, who own the first pick and figure to nab Washington’s Markelle Fultz. Smith already has worked out for Orlando (No. 6), according to sources, and has tentative dates with the Lakers (No. 2) and Knicks.

“He’s going to be one of the great point guards in the league,’’ Henderson said. “Any team that passes him will pay for it later on. If he’s lower than 5, it’s somebody’s loss.’’

N.C. State coach Mark Gottfried, fired along with his staff after a dreadful season that carried large expectations, told The Post recently Smith has “Russell Westbrook athleticism.’’

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Ironically, Knicks president Phil Jackson said he is “not interested” in drafting a player who “can jump out of the gym” or “do a triple-double game.’’

Smith is guilty as charged.

Amid the Wolfpack wreckage came two wondrous individual performances by Smith — two triple-double gems, one of which his team lost to Syracuse. It marked the first time an ACC player had posted two triple-doubles against league competition in an entire career. Smith did it in one month of his lone season. And yet neither outing approaches Smith’s signature performance on Tobacco Road.

Henderson’s fondest memory of a lost season was the 20-minute bus ride back from Durham, N.C., sitting next to Smith. The bus glided along Hillsborough Street outside the N.C. State campus, mobbed by fans.

“They were cheering, screaming, had their phones out,’’ Henderson said.

Smith had willed N.C. State to an 84-82 win over Duke, its first at Cameron Indoor Stadium in 22 years. He whipped darts for passes in the final minutes and became unguardable — a 32-point, six-assist magic show on 10-of-18 shooting, 4-of-6 on 3-pointers.

“He was the best player on the floor,’’ Gottfried said.

“He was nasty — evidence he can take over a game,’’ said one NBA scout in attendance.

“It showed what he could do against one of the top teams in the country on the road,’’ Henderson said. “It was his highlight moment.’’

“He did unbelievable individual things,’’ N.C. State assistant coach Orlando Early said, summing up Smith’s season. “There’s a lot of things that go into why a team didn’t have a good year. But the statement he didn’t do things to help the team win? I disagree. He tried to do those things.’’

Duke finished a distant third to N.C. State and North Carolina in the recruitment of Smith, the Fayetteville, N.C., native whose intention always was to play college in-state.

Smith had opportunities to play high school ball at a slew of basketball-factory prep programs around the country, but opted to stay in his hometown of Fayetteville, N.C. He moved on from eighth-grade stud at Freedom Christian to Trinity Christian.

“He’s very loyal to family,’’ Trinity coach Heath Vandevender said. “He didn’t want to go away to a prep school because he wanted his family to watch him play.’’

His father, Dennis Smith, was his AAU coach and attended all his practices and games at N.C. State.

“He’s extremely involved but never got in our way at all,’’ Early said. “He’s not Lonzo Ball’s dad. He’d just watch practice and leave, come to games and leave. It’s not always that way.’’

The female influences on “Junior’’ were his grandmother, Gayle, and Aunt Rhonda. The N.C. State staff never met Smith’s mother, who has dealt with medical issues, according to a source.

Grandma Gayle was a rabid, longtime Wolfpack fan. Her influence on Smith’s pick of N.C. State over North Carolina and Duke can’t be discounted.

“Dennis told me he loved being the underdog,’’ Gottfried said.

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Dennis Smith Jr., against Clemson in MarchAP
For all the college losses, Smith enjoyed only triumphs at Trinity Christian. He owns two state-title rings, though one of the jewels was earned as a de facto assistant coach and early-enrollment college student as he rehabbed his knee.

As a freshman, Smith’s team advanced to the state finals. As a sophomore, Smith made sure the team returned to Fayetteville with the state trophy, sinking two free throws with 1.5 seconds left to win the championship.

Vandevender, though, was more impressed with his response.

“We won it on Saturday,’’ he said. “We’re back to school on Monday and Junior is carrying a basketball inside a trash bag. I asked him what’s he’s doing? He said after school he was going to the gym to work on his ball-handling. He had one day off after winning the states. That’s a different breed.’’

The torn ACL prevented Smith from experiencing a second title on the court. One month before his senior year, Smith tore his ACL in an AAU contest in California in August 2015.

Well before that, N.C. State’s Early had confirmed Smith’s pedigree at an AAU Christmas tournament in Las Vegas.

The sophomore put up 36 points against a more talented club from Canada that featured Thon Maker, who now plays for the NBA’s Bucks.

“Maker’s team was way better, but you could see it in Dennis’ eyes in warmups,’’ Early said. “His tenacity, toughness, the drive he had to win the game, understanding every shot was going in.’’

N.C. State offered him a scholarship the next day, and Early still refers to it as “The Thon Maker Game.’’

However, 18 months later, Smith’s high-school career ended in an AAU Adidas showcase weeks before going back for his senior year. As many such injuries occur, he took a bad step on a fastbreak.


“To say we weren’t worried wouldn’t be totally honest,’’ Early said. “But with his unbelievably competitive nature, I knew he’d attack his rehab at a high level.’’

Smith missed his senior year, but not before doing everything possible to sway his way back. Way ahead of schedule on rehab, Smith phoned Early and asked him to research the number of games he would need to be eligible for the famed McDonald’s All-American Classic. All parties convinced Smith, who had become fixated on the game, to let it go. His future was too bright to rush.

Into January, Smith attended almost all of Trinity’s practices, games and team meetings, essentially the club’s point-guard coach.

With the McDonald’s goal torpedoed, Smith came up with another brainstorm while driving in the car with his dad.

“I wish I could say it was my idea but it was his,’’ Early said.

Having already loaded up with enough high-school credits for graduation, Smith decided to enroll early at N.C. State. He took a full 15-credit course load and attended N.C. State practices, traveled with the team and saw his rehab monitored by the school’s medical staff.

“It was very advantageous,’’ Gottfried said. “He’s always been a student of the game. He wanted to get a head start.’’

Technically, Smith, when he declared for the draft, is a one-and-a-half-and-done.

“I really believe that getting hurt was one of the best things that happened to me before college,” Smith said during his freshman year.

“He’s just a very bright kid,’’ Early said. “I remember him telling me he wanted to finish all his classes so second semester senior year he could chill. [Enrolling early] helped him learn a lot about scouting and watching film at this level.”


The ACC Freshman of the Year has to dispel some myths to NBA executives. Smith’s agitated on-court state wasn’t a good look amid the losing. Early knows it, admitting the visage of a scowling Stephon Marbury is a fair comparison.

“When you’re a point guard, there’s leadership things you need to grow into,’’ Early said. “Dennis doesn’t hide his emotions. When we’re struggling, he can’t hide it. It’s something he has to work on.’’

“I’d rather see a kid mad at losing compared to seeing a kid who goes with the flow and doesn’t care,’’ Henderson said. “It was his competitive nature.’’

The good news is that same eighth-grader throwing balls off the glass in a high-school game hasn’t lost explosiveness since ACL surgery.

“His quickness and athleticism is NBA ready right now,’’ Early said. “His ball-handling and court vision is NBA ready. Had we had a good year, he’d be in the conversation for the No. 1 pick.’’

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