yellowboy90 wrote:Love has looked good so far to me and his shooting is what is keeping it close in the 1st halves.
yea what would melo look like vs the warriors, esp on defense cause love has gotten destroyed by durant.
again can love hit his open threes and rebound yes but he still is a after thought for a defense vs melo who would demand the attention and make the game easier for lebron and kyrie
Cavs should retool a bit if they continue lose this bad. They could use a fundamental identity change.
Knicks want to lose Melo and get whatever future pieces they can get for him.
Blazers reportedly wanted to shed salary and have a glut of guards. Maybe they want to retool a bit around Lillard/Nurkic as well.
I propose Melo to the Cavs, Love the Blazers, CJ McCollum to the Cavs, Evan Turner/Meyers Leonard/Some collection of Blazers draft picks to the Knicks, KOQ to the Blazers. Frye/JR to the Blazers.
Cavs
Irving
McCollum
Melo
Lebron
Thompson
A more balanced and dynamic 1-5.
Blazers
Lillard
Crabbe
Harkless
Love
Nurkic
Bench- KOQ, JR Smith, Frye
Also a more balanced 1-5 and saves a ton of salary to eventually sign Nurkic and more.
Knicks
??
??
Turner
Porzingis
WHG
I would push for picks 15 & 20 based on the amount of salary the Knicks take on.
The 3 teams together here can balance each other out.
Lebron, melo, kyrie all have the chemistry of being best friends. love is a out cast again his points are empty and when he gets boards he can't finish around the hoop.. melo has been tainted by being on awful I mean god awful knicks teams.... people forget love did nothing in minny absolutely nothing his teams were lottery bound every year. then he gets traded to the cavs and he's a incredible teammate "the only reason the cavs are even close to the warriors for the first half of the second game" please, melo is the better star in all aspects except rebounds and three point shooting.... you can feed the ball to melo 40 to 60 percent of the time and get positive results. you can't feed the ball to love period he is a opportunist scorer getting open looks and putbacks.... melo can actually take his defender one on one or even double teamed and score love simply can not
the fact melo is even being compared by a lower talent like love is a travesty. its not melos fault he's has been on god awful teams he still might be the best mid range scorer in the game. its not his fault he has two broken down stars in rose and noah also anyone realize when noah went out we crumbled, # I want a healthy Noah
Stats show that player guarded by James are shooting 67% from the field.
Melo is not the most athletic of professional ballers. At 33 the game is passing Melo by quickly and his defensive dificiencies would be exposed exponentially GSW. Love has played better than anytime on both ends but between Schump, JR and Thompson and Korver offering little offensive punch, Melo's Contribution should be 20 minutes off the bench and he could match up against David West or Thompson off the Bench.
Melo is not the most athletic of professional ballers. At 33 the game is passing Melo by quickly and his defensive dificiencies would be exposed exponentially GSW. Love has played better than anytime on both ends but between Schump, JR and Thompson and Korver offering little offensive punch, Melo's Contribution should be 20 minutes off the bench and he could match up against David West or Thompson off the Bench.
the problem with melo is he is not a leader and he docent hold his teammates accountable. hence the perfect match with lebron who is a natural born leader who would hold melo accountable. this is why i still love noah on our team off the bench he is a natural born leader, someone who holds kp accountable willy accountable.
#this series is boring, bring back hand checking and get the bad boys back in the nba...
espn said that the 2017 warriors are better then the 96 bulls and i said what rules are they playing by because if played by the real rules pre hand checking of basketball the warriors don't have a shot vs the bulls rodman over dray, pippin would pick up durant at half court and push him around, jordan would own Klay , and ron harper wouldn't allow curry even close to the three point line with out knocking him on his ass and getting in his body hard core hence the reason his father was nothing more then a spot up open shooter.
so if they are playing by the rules of today where you can't pick up your defender at half court physically and use your arm to get into his body and force him into passing you cant knock your opponent on the floor with out getting a flagrant. you don't have to worry about illegal defense no zone or switching... who knows steve kerr could be a star in todays nba, hubert davis could be a star in todays nba, reggie miller would be the super star in todays nba.
Paris907 wrote:Melo is not the most athletic of professional ballers. At 33 the game is passing Melo by quickly and his defensive dificiencies would be exposed exponentially GSW. Love has played better than anytime on both ends but between Schump, JR and Thompson and Korver offering little offensive punch, Melo's Contribution should be 20 minutes off the bench and he could match up against David West or Thompson off the Bench.
Cavs need to become more of a half court team to compete with the warriors.
They've tried to gear the team towards some quasi GS type team with 3 point shooters but it's just an imitation without as much talent.
Lebron can be a half court player. They are invested in Tristin Thompson and he's going to do better slower pace as well.
Melo can fit and give them another dimension on offense.
todays defense is boring guys like anthony mason, oak, pippin, rodman, don't exist in todays nba.. isn't that sad no more bad boys like bill lumber some one who if you drove to the hoop was going to knock you the f out. the nba was so much fun to watch because it wasn't about talent it was about grit and teamwork.
heck one of the greatest knick teams ever was ewing,oak,charles smith,starks,derick harper, mase as 6th man..... is that even a playoff team in todays nba, no thats a lottery team. there is no grit in todays nba... adam silver needs to bring back defense to the nba because its non existing in todays nba
fitzfarm wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Seriously? I think very few people watching this would think the Cavs should replace Love with Melo. The Cavs weren't willing to do that last February. And Melo only played worse since then and Love has played quite well. The Cavs would probably be closer to offering something like Shumpert, Smith, and Frye.
Correct. Without Love playing yesterday that game would have been a 35+ point blowout. Cavs don't play as a team. Their starting 5 matches up well with the Warriors but they don't play system basketball and their isolation heavy game is being exposed.
Oh and the amazing and valuable "asset" that Phil dumped to get cap space had zero points, 1 rebound and -18 in the plus minus column. Thanks for showing up JR.
did you guys not watch durant destroy K love... he destroyed him on multiple occasions .... also lebron would bring the best outta melo, how can you even call love a good defender
Did you see Melo play defense...oh wait, you couldn't have, because he doesn't! To suggest Melo will keep Durant in check is fukking hilarious.
but back to melo vs love its silly to compare a offensive stud like melo to love who depends on getting open looks where melo can create his own looks
meloshouldgo wrote:fitzfarm wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Seriously? I think very few people watching this would think the Cavs should replace Love with Melo. The Cavs weren't willing to do that last February. And Melo only played worse since then and Love has played quite well. The Cavs would probably be closer to offering something like Shumpert, Smith, and Frye.
Correct. Without Love playing yesterday that game would have been a 35+ point blowout. Cavs don't play as a team. Their starting 5 matches up well with the Warriors but they don't play system basketball and their isolation heavy game is being exposed.
Oh and the amazing and valuable "asset" that Phil dumped to get cap space had zero points, 1 rebound and -18 in the plus minus column. Thanks for showing up JR.
did you guys not watch durant destroy K love... he destroyed him on multiple occasions .... also lebron would bring the best outta melo, how can you even call love a good defender
Did you see Melo play defense...oh wait, you couldn't have, because he doesn't! To suggest Melo will keep Durant in check is fukking hilarious.
its also fukkin hilarious calling k love a better player then melo, esp on offense. yes durant gets his but melo is way more athletic then k love, and matches up way better then k love and rightfully so k love is a pf or center melo like durant is a sf/pf.
fitzfarm wrote:but back to melo vs love its silly to compare a offensive stud like melo to love who depends on getting open looks where melo can create his own looks
It's much easier to get a sense of what Melo would add by looking at the Isolation scoring Stats. Melo is the more prolific ISO scorer and as such he's not so overly dependent on Assisted Scoring. Love puts up numbers but when the Defense gets really tough and shuts down open looks Melo is able to take his many and make tough shots.
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FT TO SF ONE SCORE
PLAYER TEAM GP POSS FREQ PPP PTS FGM FGA FG% EFG% FREQ FREQ FREQ FREQ FREQ PERCENTILE
Carmelo Anthony NYK 74 5.3 23.1% 0.99 5.2 1.9 4.4 44.2 46.8 13.8% 5.4% 14.1% 3.1% 47.3% 78.3
Kevin Love CLE 61 1.0 5.5% 0.84 0.9 0.3 0.8 42.0 43.0 8.1% 11.3% 8.1% 0.0% 41.9% 50.8
LeBron James CLE 74 5.1 20.3% 0.97 5.0 1.8 4.2 43.5 49.5 12.7% 8.0% 11.9% 3.7% 44.6% 76.6
fitzfarm wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:fitzfarm wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Seriously? I think very few people watching this would think the Cavs should replace Love with Melo. The Cavs weren't willing to do that last February. And Melo only played worse since then and Love has played quite well. The Cavs would probably be closer to offering something like Shumpert, Smith, and Frye.
Correct. Without Love playing yesterday that game would have been a 35+ point blowout. Cavs don't play as a team. Their starting 5 matches up well with the Warriors but they don't play system basketball and their isolation heavy game is being exposed.
Oh and the amazing and valuable "asset" that Phil dumped to get cap space had zero points, 1 rebound and -18 in the plus minus column. Thanks for showing up JR.
did you guys not watch durant destroy K love... he destroyed him on multiple occasions .... also lebron would bring the best outta melo, how can you even call love a good defender
Did you see Melo play defense...oh wait, you couldn't have, because he doesn't! To suggest Melo will keep Durant in check is fukking hilarious.
its also fukkin hilarious calling k love a better player then melo, esp on offense. yes durant gets his but melo is way more athletic then k love, and matches up way better then k love and rightfully so k love is a pf or center melo like durant is a sf/pf.
Ok you will have to show me where I called K Live a better player on offense.
Like Bonn1997 pointed out it's been LeBron guarding Durant for the most part. The core premise of your original post and this thread is flat out wrong.
meloshouldgo wrote:fitzfarm wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:fitzfarm wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Seriously? I think very few people watching this would think the Cavs should replace Love with Melo. The Cavs weren't willing to do that last February. And Melo only played worse since then and Love has played quite well. The Cavs would probably be closer to offering something like Shumpert, Smith, and Frye.
Correct. Without Love playing yesterday that game would have been a 35+ point blowout. Cavs don't play as a team. Their starting 5 matches up well with the Warriors but they don't play system basketball and their isolation heavy game is being exposed.
Oh and the amazing and valuable "asset" that Phil dumped to get cap space had zero points, 1 rebound and -18 in the plus minus column. Thanks for showing up JR.
did you guys not watch durant destroy K love... he destroyed him on multiple occasions .... also lebron would bring the best outta melo, how can you even call love a good defender
Did you see Melo play defense...oh wait, you couldn't have, because he doesn't! To suggest Melo will keep Durant in check is fukking hilarious.
its also fukkin hilarious calling k love a better player then melo, esp on offense. yes durant gets his but melo is way more athletic then k love, and matches up way better then k love and rightfully so k love is a pf or center melo like durant is a sf/pf.
Ok you will have to show me where I called K Live a better player on offense.
Like Bonn1997 pointed out it's been LeBron guarding Durant for the most part. The core premise of your original post and this thread is flat out wrong.
Oh I'd rather Love on offense than Melo. Melo just chucks more mid-range shots but he only hits about 44% of them. Love could hit far more 2s but he's happy to accept the role he's been given. (That's actually refreshing.) He still takes 8.0 2-pointers a game and 4.9 FTs. So he does do damage other than just 3s but it's within the role he's been given.
I'm sure that if Lebron wanted a Love-Melo swap to happen, it would have already happened. Oddly, Fitz can't even find people on a Knicks message board to agree with the stuff he's writing here.
If you want more ISO ball and stagnation call 1800 cal-Melo! Love isn't the offensive player Melo was but gets his points within the offense. Melo needs a team that can play him off the bench or a guard like Chris Paul that can control the Rock and deny Melo the ball when he's cold aka the entire 4th Quarter. Love can board. And neither plays crisp D.
Paris907 wrote:If you want more ISO ball and stagnation call 1800 cal-Melo! Love isn't the offensive player Melo was but gets his points within the offense. Melo needs a team that can play him off the bench or a guard like Chris Paul that can control the Rock and deny Melo the ball when he's cold aka the entire 4th Quarter. Love can board. And neither plays crisp D.
Exactly. I'm sure that if Love wanted to be a 25 PPG scorer on a .400 team as the #1 option, he could still do that too. He has a versatile offensive game but his primary role in Cleveland is to spread the floor and make working inside easier for Lebron.
nixluva wrote:fitzfarm wrote:but back to melo vs love its silly to compare a offensive stud like melo to love who depends on getting open looks where melo can create his own looks
It's much easier to get a sense of what Melo would add by looking at the Isolation scoring Stats. Melo is the more prolific ISO scorer and as such he's not so overly dependent on Assisted Scoring. Love puts up numbers but when the Defense gets really tough and shuts down open looks Melo is able to take his many and make tough shots.
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FT TO SF ONE SCORE
PLAYER TEAM GP POSS FREQ PPP PTS FGM FGA FG% EFG% FREQ FREQ FREQ FREQ FREQ PERCENTILE
Carmelo Anthony NYK 74 5.3 23.1% 0.99 5.2 1.9 4.4 44.2 46.8 13.8% 5.4% 14.1% 3.1% 47.3% 78.3
Kevin Love CLE 61 1.0 5.5% 0.84 0.9 0.3 0.8 42.0 43.0 8.1% 11.3% 8.1% 0.0% 41.9% 50.8
LeBron James CLE 74 5.1 20.3% 0.97 5.0 1.8 4.2 43.5 49.5 12.7% 8.0% 11.9% 3.7% 44.6% 76.6
The main thing I see there is that those are inefficient possessions for all 3 of them. It's smart for Love to cut them down. Melo should do the same. As might as well let Lebron be Lebron since any weaknesses he has are outweighed, but even for him, those are bad shots.
