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has 0 chance to win in the NBA. Its slow footed defense every night--thats a 30 win team every year.

did u not already make a thread about this? why say the same thing twice? why not just go to that thread and say this?

We would have to get much more athletic at the 3 and have an athletic big man off the bench. In an ideal rotation, KP plays 34 mpg, Willy plays 30 mpg, with 16 of them being alongside KP and the other 14 being the exclusive center when KP is off the floor. A backup 4 would share the floor with KP or Willy when the other is off the floor. This player needs to be athletic and can defend 4s. Noah and Plumlee are available for spot minutes at the 5 if we play a bigger team. But this takes care of the concern you have.

BRIGGS wrote:has 0 chance to win in the NBA. Its slow footed defense every night--thats a 30 win team every year.

I'm not sure which is better out of the breaking news you've given us the last few days.

Option #1--J.Noah is on a bad contract

Option #2--A frontcourt of Melo, KP, Willy would be slow footed.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

such a stupid post Briggs. But I am not surprised. Its slow, your bored and your Nate Wolters/Jordan Mickey videos wont load.

"Zero chance." Nothing inspires discussion more.

Maybe we should just turn this thread into a Brigg's tribute.

My favorite over the last year or so:
"Brook Lopez is the best center in the NBA"
"Darren Collison is one of the best defenders in the NBA"

Players Knicks could be build around:
Rodney White
Shareef Abdul Rahim

Game changing prospects:
Anthony Randolph
BJ Muellens

Now is the time to remind us how good you said Michael Redd would be

Briggs you can be great for kicking off some good debates. This one... not so much

Willy started 22 games last season.
Of which, I believe something like 15 were with KP and Melo starting.

We have not seen a real full season of starting Willy, KP and Melo.

I will say it's more mental than physical with this team.
There were games the team played outstanding defense.
Many games effort was just not there.

If forced to start Willy, KP, Melo.
I'd definitely start a player like Ron Baker. Who is physical, defensive minded and pass first.
I'd also look to find another guard that can attack, shoot but also defend. Rose played zero defense last year.

If we have Ron Baker and another guard who really has the same mindset as Ron, is defensively equipped to go through screens and fight defensively. Would make a big difference.

What's being overlooked is player development and improvement. Dray Green, Klay, Curry were not winning many games until a few years together. Willy and KP have played one year together and started less than 20 games together. I want to give them more time and to see if like many young players, if they get better on defense.

The number one thing we would need if we kept Melo, is a character guy and defensive lead guard. Ron Baker can help, but he is not good enough on offense. We need another guard with Ron who brings that, to give the team an infectious, physical, defensive mentality. Melo is just too Melo. Hornachek has to up his ante as a defensive coach. More vocal.

fishmike wrote:such a stupid post Briggs. But I am not surprised. Its slow, your bored and your Nate Wolters/Jordan Mickey videos wont load.

"Zero chance." Nothing inspires discussion more.

Maybe we should just turn this thread into a Brigg's tribute.

My favorite over the last year or so:
"Brook Lopez is the best center in the NBA"
"Darren Collison is one of the best defenders in the NBA"

Players Knicks could be build around:
Rodney White
Shareef Abdul Rahim

Game changing prospects:
Anthony Randolph
BJ Muellens

Now is the time to remind us how good you said Michael Redd would be

Briggs you can be great for kicking off some good debates. This one... not so much

if you throw enough shit at the wall, eventually something has to stick... right?

nyknickzingis wrote:Willy started 22 games last season.
Of which, I believe something like 15 were with KP and Melo starting.

We have not seen a real full season of starting Willy, KP and Melo.

I will say it's more mental than physical with this team.
There were games the team played outstanding defense.
Many games effort was just not there.

If forced to start Willy, KP, Melo.
I'd definitely start a player like Ron Baker. Who is physical, defensive minded and pass first.
I'd also look to find another guard that can attack, shoot but also defend. Rose played zero defense last year.

No it's not mental it's physical -- there all slow.
This is a good reminder post because drafting a pg isn't going to do anything unless their name ends with fox fultz or ball.

I look at Carmelo's contract w kickers. -- really is near untraceable and he has the ntc. So dealing w our reality there is no fix for this unless we change that group

fishmike wrote:such a stupid post Briggs. But I am not surprised. Its slow, your bored and your Nate Wolters/Jordan Mickey videos wont load.

"Zero chance." Nothing inspires discussion more.

Maybe we should just turn this thread into a Brigg's tribute.

My favorite over the last year or so:
"Brook Lopez is the best center in the NBA"
"Darren Collison is one of the best defenders in the NBA"

Players Knicks could be build around:
Rodney White
Shareef Abdul Rahim

Game changing prospects:
Anthony Randolph
BJ Muellens

Now is the time to remind us how good you said Michael Redd would be

Briggs you can be great for kicking off some good debates. This one... not so much

This is stupid--fake news every year I name 3-4 guys at the end(yes I point out others during the 5 month CB season)--and 90% of the time Im focusing on the 2nd rd. I can go back Y-Y and I have a slew of high end picks--just last year Malcolm Brogdon Derrick Jones JR Bryn Forbes. I hate to say this but if a guy simply makes an NBA roster from rd 2 its a good pick.
Im focusing on rd 1 right now--and I believe strongly that Jarrett Allen should be on our radar even at 8. I have no privy to information that we will get a second 1st rd pick. So strategy from this part is hard. But we the Knicks want the best players regardless of position. Hed replace Noah and KOQ who we should definitely move or we will lose anyway in a year.

BRIGGS wrote:has 0 chance to win in the NBA. Its slow footed defense every night--thats a 30 win team every year.

instead of repeating the same thing... why not state the obvious? We're going to have to trade one eventually. KP can't guard the perimeter. He's better at rim protection. He's destined to be the center.... Willy isn't quick enough to play the 4. He's an interior player.

Now we cab keep both and start one and bench the other, but to maximize the roster one should go. Markelle Fultz is the real deal. In a few years we might be talking about him as a superstar at guard

Hopefully Anthony is gone and the Knicks can add a athletic sf that can defend as well as score. Durant once struggled on the defensive end and got better and better. I believe he led the league in shooting percentage allowed at 33%. He himself said he would get over powered. Same with KP he is going to get better. Willie is pretty athletic and similar to what the Warriors have in Zaza. One thing is Willie is a lot more skilled offensively. His defense will get better.

To me the real culprits of last years defense were Rose and Melo. KP took a step back defensively he should be much better he does struggle with small ball lineups. He is not quick enough to guard small players. His positioning sucked all year long. He should get better with better positioning vansmaller players.

Brigg's threads are like Trump Tweets.

Rodney White!!!!!

Vmart wrote:Hopefully Anthony is gone and the Knicks can add a athletic sf that can defend as well as score. Durant once struggled on the defensive end and got better and better. I believe he led the league in shooting percentage allowed at 33%. He himself said he would get over powered. Same with KP he is going to get better. Willie is pretty athletic and similar to what the Warriors have in Zaza. One thing is Willie is a lot more skilled offensively. His defense will get better.

To me the real culprits of last years defense were Rose and Melo. KP took a step back defensively he should be much better he does struggle with small ball lineups. He is not quick enough to guard small players. His positioning sucked all year long. He should get better with better positioning vansmaller players.

To me it's beyond annoying how some keep picking on Willy and KP who are both YOUNG players still maturing. Willy was a ROOKIE! Now that said KP and Willy weren't great but also not our worst defenders.

Rk		        Age	G	GS	ORtg	DRtg
1  Kyle O'Quinn	        26	79	8	114	105
2  Joakim Noah	        31	46	46	111	108
3  Willy Hernangomez	22	72	22	111	108
4  Kristaps Porzingis	21	66	65	108	109
5  Maurice Ndour	24	32	4	104	110
6  Marshall Plumlee	24	21	1	103	111
7  Justin Holiday	27	82	4	108	111
8  Sasha Vujacic	32	42	4	98	113
9  Ron Baker	        23	52	13	92	113
10 Brandon Jennings	27	58	11	105	113
11 Carmelo Anthony	32	74	74	108	113
12 Chasson Randle	23	18	0	110	114
13 Lance Thomas	        28	46	15	108	114
14 Mindaugas Kuzminskas	27	68	5	107	114
15 Courtney Lee	        31	77	74	115	114
16 Derrick Rose	        28	64	64	108	115

If Melo, Rose, BJ, CLee and LT had better defensive seasons this team would've been able to win games. Willy and KP were made to look worse due to covering for the PUTRID Defense from the other main players. This is why it's imperative that Phil bring in PLUS defenders on the perimeter. Phil said that he's instructed his scouts to prioritize On Ball Defense with the prospects.

nixluva wrote:

Vmart wrote:Hopefully Anthony is gone and the Knicks can add a athletic sf that can defend as well as score. Durant once struggled on the defensive end and got better and better. I believe he led the league in shooting percentage allowed at 33%. He himself said he would get over powered. Same with KP he is going to get better. Willie is pretty athletic and similar to what the Warriors have in Zaza. One thing is Willie is a lot more skilled offensively. His defense will get better.

To me the real culprits of last years defense were Rose and Melo. KP took a step back defensively he should be much better he does struggle with small ball lineups. He is not quick enough to guard small players. His positioning sucked all year long. He should get better with better positioning vansmaller players.

To me it's beyond annoying how some keep picking on Willy and KP who are both YOUNG players still maturing. Willy was a ROOKIE! Now that said KP and Willy weren't great but also not our worst defenders.

Rk		        Age	G	GS	ORtg	DRtg
1  Kyle O'Quinn	        26	79	8	114	105
2  Joakim Noah	        31	46	46	111	108
3  Willy Hernangomez	22	72	22	111	108
4  Kristaps Porzingis	21	66	65	108	109
5  Maurice Ndour	24	32	4	104	110
6  Marshall Plumlee	24	21	1	103	111
7  Justin Holiday	27	82	4	108	111
8  Sasha Vujacic	32	42	4	98	113
9  Ron Baker	        23	52	13	92	113
10 Brandon Jennings	27	58	11	105	113
11 Carmelo Anthony	32	74	74	108	113
12 Chasson Randle	23	18	0	110	114
13 Lance Thomas	        28	46	15	108	114
14 Mindaugas Kuzminskas	27	68	5	107	114
15 Courtney Lee	        31	77	74	115	114
16 Derrick Rose	        28	64	64	108	115

If Melo, Rose, BJ, CLee and LT had better defensive seasons this team would've been able to win games. Willy and KP were made to look worse due to covering for the PUTRID Defense from the other main players. This is why it's imperative that Phil bring in PLUS defenders on the perimeter. Phil said that he's instructed his scouts to prioritize On Ball Defense with the prospects.

I think if you look at the Spurs, they have two pretty slow footed bigs in LMA and Pau, and when they were fully healthy they were one of the best teams in the league.

The key is to have a couple of perimeter defenders that are lock down like Spurs have in Kawahi and Simmons. They have great defensive wings.

We need better defense at the perimeter, we need our young bigs to develop into better help and recover guys,

Even the Cavs won a championship with KLove at 4. Klove is a slow footed 4 in today's league by BRiggs standards.

It can be done, but you need better effort from the team, you need the wings and perimeter defenders to be better at staying with their man.

Can anyone who watches DRose or Melo last year really say they could stay with their man? it's about team effort. We don't see that collective team effort.

Just a year ago, with lesser talent and same "speed" we defended better with the likes of jose, affalo, melo, KP, Rolo.
The team under Fisher last year had better commitment to defense. I give Hornachek some criticism here, he did not get the team to defend or do enough work on it during training camp.

But what we really need are active, defensive minded players. Players like Ron Baker and Lance Thomas are limited on offense, but they play with an effort and focus on defense that engages the team and is infectious.

I also like Noah as a mentor for KP/Willy. They will learn defensive tactics and angles from him. That should be Noah's number one contribution to become a mentor and leader for the young bigs.

nyknickzingis wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Vmart wrote:Hopefully Anthony is gone and the Knicks can add a athletic sf that can defend as well as score. Durant once struggled on the defensive end and got better and better. I believe he led the league in shooting percentage allowed at 33%. He himself said he would get over powered. Same with KP he is going to get better. Willie is pretty athletic and similar to what the Warriors have in Zaza. One thing is Willie is a lot more skilled offensively. His defense will get better.

To me the real culprits of last years defense were Rose and Melo. KP took a step back defensively he should be much better he does struggle with small ball lineups. He is not quick enough to guard small players. His positioning sucked all year long. He should get better with better positioning vansmaller players.

To me it's beyond annoying how some keep picking on Willy and KP who are both YOUNG players still maturing. Willy was a ROOKIE! Now that said KP and Willy weren't great but also not our worst defenders.

Rk		        Age	G	GS	ORtg	DRtg
1  Kyle O'Quinn	        26	79	8	114	105
2  Joakim Noah	        31	46	46	111	108
3  Willy Hernangomez	22	72	22	111	108
4  Kristaps Porzingis	21	66	65	108	109
5  Maurice Ndour	24	32	4	104	110
6  Marshall Plumlee	24	21	1	103	111
7  Justin Holiday	27	82	4	108	111
8  Sasha Vujacic	32	42	4	98	113
9  Ron Baker	        23	52	13	92	113
10 Brandon Jennings	27	58	11	105	113
11 Carmelo Anthony	32	74	74	108	113
12 Chasson Randle	23	18	0	110	114
13 Lance Thomas	        28	46	15	108	114
14 Mindaugas Kuzminskas	27	68	5	107	114
15 Courtney Lee	        31	77	74	115	114
16 Derrick Rose	        28	64	64	108	115

If Melo, Rose, BJ, CLee and LT had better defensive seasons this team would've been able to win games. Willy and KP were made to look worse due to covering for the PUTRID Defense from the other main players. This is why it's imperative that Phil bring in PLUS defenders on the perimeter. Phil said that he's instructed his scouts to prioritize On Ball Defense with the prospects.

I think if you look at the Spurs, they have two pretty slow footed bigs in LMA and Pau, and when they were fully healthy they were one of the best teams in the league.

The key is to have a couple of perimeter defenders that are lock down like Spurs have in Kawahi and Simmons. They have great defensive wings.

We need better defense at the perimeter, we need our young bigs to develop into better help and recover guys,

Even the Cavs won a championship with KLove at 4. Klove is a slow footed 4 in today's league by BRiggs standards.

It can be done, but you need better effort from the team, you need the wings and perimeter defenders to be better at staying with their man.

Can anyone who watches DRose or Melo last year really say they could stay with their man? it's about team effort. We don't see that collective team effort.

Just a year ago, with lesser talent and same "speed" we defended better with the likes of jose, affalo, melo, KP, Rolo.
The team under Fisher last year had better commitment to defense. I give Hornachek some criticism here, he did not get the team to defend or do enough work on it during training camp.

EFFORT should not have to be coached! At least not to the degree this team didn't give effort. The kids on the team gave much better effort. IMO the key is bringing in naturally HIGH MOTOR players. You don't wanna have to ride guys like a Mule just to get even mediocre defensive effort!!!

nixluva wrote:

Vmart wrote:Hopefully Anthony is gone and the Knicks can add a athletic sf that can defend as well as score. Durant once struggled on the defensive end and got better and better. I believe he led the league in shooting percentage allowed at 33%. He himself said he would get over powered. Same with KP he is going to get better. Willie is pretty athletic and similar to what the Warriors have in Zaza. One thing is Willie is a lot more skilled offensively. His defense will get better.

To me the real culprits of last years defense were Rose and Melo. KP took a step back defensively he should be much better he does struggle with small ball lineups. He is not quick enough to guard small players. His positioning sucked all year long. He should get better with better positioning vansmaller players.

To me it's beyond annoying how some keep picking on Willy and KP who are both YOUNG players still maturing. Willy was a ROOKIE! Now that said KP and Willy weren't great but also not our worst defenders.

Rk		        Age	G	GS	ORtg	DRtg
1  Kyle O'Quinn	        26	79	8	114	105
2  Joakim Noah	        31	46	46	111	108
3  Willy Hernangomez	22	72	22	111	108
4  Kristaps Porzingis	21	66	65	108	109
5  Maurice Ndour	24	32	4	104	110
6  Marshall Plumlee	24	21	1	103	111
7  Justin Holiday	27	82	4	108	111
8  Sasha Vujacic	32	42	4	98	113
9  Ron Baker	        23	52	13	92	113
10 Brandon Jennings	27	58	11	105	113
11 Carmelo Anthony	32	74	74	108	113
12 Chasson Randle	23	18	0	110	114
13 Lance Thomas	        28	46	15	108	114
14 Mindaugas Kuzminskas	27	68	5	107	114
15 Courtney Lee	        31	77	74	115	114
16 Derrick Rose	        28	64	64	108	115

If Melo, Rose, BJ, CLee and LT had better defensive seasons this team would've been able to win games. Willy and KP were made to look worse due to covering for the PUTRID Defense from the other main players. This is why it's imperative that Phil bring in PLUS defenders on the perimeter. Phil said that he's instructed his scouts to prioritize On Ball Defense with the prospects.

Wow, despite having to read how Phil is going to fix everything (again), this post raises the question as to whether this past season's starting backcourt was any better defensively than the previous season's starting backcourt. And the DOUCHE is as good defensively as Lance, and Baker and Kuz? There's got to be a better metric somewhere...

Zen version of 'On Ball Defense' = "scouts, don't be seen talking to that guy's dad..."

I disagree.
Some coaches get more out of a team through preaching and focusing on defense.
Others do not.

Hornachek has not shown in the league that his teams play very good defense. Going back to PHX.
I think he is a good coach on offense.
Defensively he needs much better than Rambis.

I wonder if Phil is really serious about taking the reigns and being more vocal and assertive. Phil wants to add full court pressure and other defensive schemes. I don't think Hornachek has ever proven to be a good defensive coach in the league.

willy needs a guy like ndour to be by his side, and kp needs a noel nerlens to be by his side, or they need to get together with a defensive coach and learn about foot work and defensive spacing

BRIGGS wrote:has 0 chance to win in the NBA. Its slow footed defense every night--thats a 30 win team every year.

Stick to pulling out names of people no one had ever heard of as the ones we should target with the 8th pick. At least that's somewhat entertaining

0 chance with a PG who spends all season calling his own number. A pass first PG who knows when to pass, knows when to score, that's a different story.

Of course the whole team has to play D for it to matter.

jrodmc wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Vmart wrote:Hopefully Anthony is gone and the Knicks can add a athletic sf that can defend as well as score. Durant once struggled on the defensive end and got better and better. I believe he led the league in shooting percentage allowed at 33%. He himself said he would get over powered. Same with KP he is going to get better. Willie is pretty athletic and similar to what the Warriors have in Zaza. One thing is Willie is a lot more skilled offensively. His defense will get better.

To me the real culprits of last years defense were Rose and Melo. KP took a step back defensively he should be much better he does struggle with small ball lineups. He is not quick enough to guard small players. His positioning sucked all year long. He should get better with better positioning vansmaller players.

To me it's beyond annoying how some keep picking on Willy and KP who are both YOUNG players still maturing. Willy was a ROOKIE! Now that said KP and Willy weren't great but also not our worst defenders.

Rk		        Age	G	GS	ORtg	DRtg
1  Kyle O'Quinn	        26	79	8	114	105
2  Joakim Noah	        31	46	46	111	108
3  Willy Hernangomez	22	72	22	111	108
4  Kristaps Porzingis	21	66	65	108	109
5  Maurice Ndour	24	32	4	104	110
6  Marshall Plumlee	24	21	1	103	111
7  Justin Holiday	27	82	4	108	111
8  Sasha Vujacic	32	42	4	98	113
9  Ron Baker	        23	52	13	92	113
10 Brandon Jennings	27	58	11	105	113
11 Carmelo Anthony	32	74	74	108	113
12 Chasson Randle	23	18	0	110	114
13 Lance Thomas	        28	46	15	108	114
14 Mindaugas Kuzminskas	27	68	5	107	114
15 Courtney Lee	        31	77	74	115	114
16 Derrick Rose	        28	64	64	108	115

If Melo, Rose, BJ, CLee and LT had better defensive seasons this team would've been able to win games. Willy and KP were made to look worse due to covering for the PUTRID Defense from the other main players. This is why it's imperative that Phil bring in PLUS defenders on the perimeter. Phil said that he's instructed his scouts to prioritize On Ball Defense with the prospects.

Wow, despite having to read how Phil is going to fix everything (again), this post raises the question as to whether this past season's starting backcourt was any better defensively than the previous season's starting backcourt. And the DOUCHE is as good defensively as Lance, and Baker and Kuz? There's got to be a better metric somewhere...

Zen version of 'On Ball Defense' = "scouts, don't be seen talking to that guy's dad..."

Your post is SHYTE! Try again with something that makes sense and is substantive! This is a below standard effort.

The draft offers the team the opportunity to add BETTER talent than they currently have. The point is to look for quality 2Way players that can form a New Core going forward. If you can't get that thru your head there's no help for you.