Knicks · Golden State impossible to deal with (page 1)

Impossible to guard. Really Steve Kerr dumps his C's and uses Durant and Dray Green with 3 great guards. Is the new NBA all abut output? because I dont see any team being able to guard this onslaught. How do you guard players who start plays 35 feet from the basket with good ball movement as well? And as a team they defend reasonably well--not perfect but dont need to be--theses rules cater to offense.

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Well we will see if they keep Iggy and Miller after they pay Durant and Curry lots and lots of money. I'm sure they will pick up someone with their mmle

Disagree. The Cavs went on an NBA record breaking run in one half against GS in one game. The Cavs were also in this game to the end, with more than a few retreads, and Love being a non-factor. Shows the Warriors can be beaten IMO.

GustavBahler wrote:Disagree. The Cavs went on an NBA record breaking run in one half against GS in one game. The Cavs were also in this game to the end, with more than a few retreads, and Love being a non-factor. Shows the Warriors can be beaten IMO.

I had the same impression. It seems that if you punch the Warriors hard enough, they come apart at the seams. When you factor in the potential players that they will lose in free agency as well as the wear and tear they are dealing with, I can't help but feel that they will be extremely vulnerable moving forward.

GustavBahler wrote:Disagree. The Cavs went on an NBA record breaking run in one half against GS in one game. The Cavs were also in this game to the end, with more than a few retreads, and Love being a non-factor. Shows the Warriors can be beaten IMO.

Who can beat the Cavs? The Cavs also played high high level but all year look at the +- still beat them by high scores. This is with LBJ playing at incredible level--two great teams. JR Smith was incredible the last 3 games.

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Disagree. The Cavs went on an NBA record breaking run in one half against GS in one game. The Cavs were also in this game to the end, with more than a few retreads, and Love being a non-factor. Shows the Warriors can be beaten IMO.

Who can beat the Cavs? The Cavs also played high high level but all year look at the +- still beat them by high scores. This is with LBJ playing at incredible level--two great teams. JR Smith was incredible the last 3 games.

As I said in another post, if Hayward goes to the Celtics, the Cavs are in trouble. Boston also has more picks in the pipeline they can use or trade to solidify the roster. Not to mention this year's first. By the time LeBron's deal is up next season, the Celtics could be a powerhouse.

They'll take less money to stay together. Winning makes it worth it.

BRIGGS wrote:Impossible to guard. Really Steve Kerr dumps his C's and uses Durant and Dray Green with 3 great guards. Is the new NBA all abut output? because I dont see any team being able to guard this onslaught. How do you guard players who start plays 35 feet from the basket with good ball movement as well? And as a team they defend reasonably well--not perfect but dont need to be--theses rules cater to offense.

Draymond and Durant bring waaaaaaaaaay more to the table then just 3s.

Cavs might want to see if they can move Love for Crabbe, Harkless, and the 26 pick.

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Impossible to guard. Really Steve Kerr dumps his C's and uses Durant and Dray Green with 3 great guards. Is the new NBA all abut output? because I dont see any team being able to guard this onslaught. How do you guard players who start plays 35 feet from the basket with good ball movement as well? And as a team they defend reasonably well--not perfect but dont need to be--theses rules cater to offense.

Draymond and Durant bring waaaaaaaaaay more to the table then just 3s.

Agree, GSW didn't win this series based on three point shooting. Curry and Durant scored more from inside than outside. Golden State is one of the best offensive rebounding teams. Patchulia worked ot, Durant, Green and Iggy and most importantly Curry too grabbed offensive boards. On the degeneration side Durant and Iggy were amazing on LeBron, Klay had a tough assignment and still did well in the second half today against Kyrie. The Cavs had nothing after Q1 today that could match GSW fire power. What they did in game 4 isn't sustainable.

this group reminds me of the showtime lakers- and I think it was Riley who wanted to play 5 guys that were 6'9" because he would switch on everything.

Durant was the difference- essentially a 7 footer with the mobility of a guard.

GustavBahler wrote:Disagree. The Cavs went on an NBA record breaking run in one half against GS in one game. The Cavs were also in this game to the end, with more than a few retreads, and Love being a non-factor. Shows the Warriors can be beaten IMO.

The ref crew from Game 4, before this series, the Cavs have a 14-0 record with them.

14-0

The Warriors can be beaten. 8 on 5. The amount of raw contact allowed against the Warriors in Games 3 and 4 was egregious.

The Warriors softened up on defense because of the clear soft whistle for the Cavs. The Cavs did shoot at a historic rate in Game 4 and Irving had a monster game, but the ref leaning was pretty bad.

I can see why the NBA administration is pulling it's hair right now. The Warriors only lost 1 game during this run. If they had lost 4-5 games, consider the ton of revenue that would have generated. Also Durant just left money on the table. And he's likely to do it again. Even trying to change the cap projections after Durant signed the Warriors, the NBA's new methodology of creating a soft franchise player rule ( 200 million to keep your "marketing guy" even if the cap hit means you'll never contend) is not full proof.

If the Kings/Heat series taught the rest of the NBA anything, it's that if the league can job you, for the sake of marketing and money, they will. The 3 point shot negates a ton of those issues. You can't sell fake contact and phantom fouls on a three point shot. And the Warriors simply bomb away at a historic rate.

The Warriors are horrible for "business" They don't have a flashy Me First diva player to market around. They are close to impossible to beat. They play team ball, it's not sexy but it's just efficient. They don't lose enough to extend series organically. And there's no real way to cap bust this team. They draft well, they find ring chasers, they mine hard and well and other players will take a discount for a ring. You think other player don't notice David West with a ring right now?

I'm weary of the "Look at Lebron without much help carrying this team" It's the team he built. The way he wanted it. It's his own fault that his de facto GM hat is a dunce cap despite his elite play.

In a clean called series, I don't think the Warriors can be beat. Top to bottom, they play the right way, as a team, and focus on winning above all else. They are fundamental and relentless. It's beautiful team basketball and the NBA administration hates it because they can't sell more shoes with it.

Yes, the Warriors can be beat. If you shoot at a historic rate against them. If the refs and their quick whistle gets the Warriors early into foul trouble. If the refs turn a blind eye every time a Warrior gets mauled with no call. The only thing that can beat the Warriors besides the BS refs are the Warriors themselves. You have to hope someone gets hurt or has a rare off shooting night.

If briggs can't figure it out, then its "Impossible"........
They won 73 games, but could not finish it out.
They were one game short of the never done sweep, they did not finish it out.
No doubt they are a great team, but two years in a row they could not ascend to the mount of all time greats.

Thompson is a hell of a player, but he might be expendable given the financial ramifications going forward.

TripleThreat wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Disagree. The Cavs went on an NBA record breaking run in one half against GS in one game. The Cavs were also in this game to the end, with more than a few retreads, and Love being a non-factor. Shows the Warriors can be beaten IMO.

The ref crew from Game 4, before this series, the Cavs have a 14-0 record with them.

14-0

The Warriors can be beaten. 8 on 5. The amount of raw contact allowed against the Warriors in Games 3 and 4 was egregious.

The Warriors softened up on defense because of the clear soft whistle for the Cavs. The Cavs did shoot at a historic rate in Game 4 and Irving had a monster game, but the ref leaning was pretty bad.

I can see why the NBA administration is pulling it's hair right now. The Warriors only lost 1 game during this run. If they had lost 4-5 games, consider the ton of revenue that would have generated. Also Durant just left money on the table. And he's likely to do it again. Even trying to change the cap projections after Durant signed the Warriors, the NBA's new methodology of creating a soft franchise player rule ( 200 million to keep your "marketing guy" even if the cap hit means you'll never contend) is not full proof.

If the Kings/Heat series taught the rest of the NBA anything, it's that if the league can job you, for the sake of marketing and money, they will. The 3 point shot negates a ton of those issues. You can't sell fake contact and phantom fouls on a three point shot. And the Warriors simply bomb away at a historic rate.

The Warriors are horrible for "business" They don't have a flashy Me First diva player to market around. They are close to impossible to beat. They play team ball, it's not sexy but it's just efficient. They don't lose enough to extend series organically. And there's no real way to cap bust this team. They draft well, they find ring chasers, they mine hard and well and other players will take a discount for a ring. You think other player don't notice David West with a ring right now?

I'm weary of the "Look at Lebron without much help carrying this team" It's the team he built. The way he wanted it. It's his own fault that his de facto GM hat is a dunce cap despite his elite play.

In a clean called series, I don't think the Warriors can be beat. Top to bottom, they play the right way, as a team, and focus on winning above all else. They are fundamental and relentless. It's beautiful team basketball and the NBA administration hates it because they can't sell more shoes with it.

Yes, the Warriors can be beat. If you shoot at a historic rate against them. If the refs and their quick whistle gets the Warriors early into foul trouble. If the refs turn a blind eye every time a Warrior gets mauled with no call. The only thing that can beat the Warriors besides the BS refs are the Warriors themselves. You have to hope someone gets hurt or has a rare off shooting night.

Interesting point there about the ref crew. Would be interested to see how the 14-0 breaks down. We are talking about the former reigning champs. 14-0 might not be so unusual.

Don't believe you have to shoot at a historic rate to beat the Warriors. They've shown that they are susceptible to runs, record breaking runs. I do believe you can get inside their heads, throw them off balance, if the defense is good enough, if a team is physical enough.

There might not be a team as currently constructed that can really challenge GS, but the rest of the league will not sit still. Durant wont be the last player to help form a super team.

Agree about LeBron making his own bed on this one, disagree that the Warriors arent flashy enough. They're one big highlight reel. Curry might not be what you would call a diva, but he soaks in the attention as much as one.

Generally you can only beat GS with a team full of 2 Way players that can all defend multiple positions. You want extreme flexibility in your roster. Cavs have quite a few holes on D and O! Guys that can't defend multiple positions and guys that struggle to score!!!

GS is a near perfect team in terms of versatility. Obviously the most Offensively Potent team but also highly skilled and high BBIQ. GS has multiple players that can guard several positions and that is the thing that makes them so tough.