Knicks · Melo for Love is not so far-fetched.. (page 3)

Bonn1997 wrote:

anrst wrote:with Kyrie, Lebron and Melo, that is harder for other teams to stop than with Love in place of Melo. All 3 can create own shot and need to be doubled.

Melo stops himself with chucking off balance, contested jump shots. It's crazy to think swapping Melo and Love makes them better than GS. GS has 4 all-stars and 2 MVPs. The Cavs still wouldn't be better than SAS either.

exactly they need melo as an addition, not addition by subtracting, that's 2 steps forward 2 steps back, only lottery teams do that..

Bonn1997 wrote:

anrst wrote:with Kyrie, Lebron and Melo, that is harder for other teams to stop than with Love in place of Melo. All 3 can create own shot and need to be doubled.

Melo stops himself with chucking off balance, contested jump shots. It's crazy to think swapping Melo and Love makes them better than GS. GS has 4 all-stars and 2 MVPs. The Cavs still wouldn't be better than SAS either.

Aside from Pop and Leonard... whats so good about the Spurs in 2017?

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

anrst wrote:with Kyrie, Lebron and Melo, that is harder for other teams to stop than with Love in place of Melo. All 3 can create own shot and need to be doubled.

Melo stops himself with chucking off balance, contested jump shots. It's crazy to think swapping Melo and Love makes them better than GS. GS has 4 all-stars and 2 MVPs. The Cavs still wouldn't be better than SAS either.

Aside from Pop and Leonard... whats so good about the Spurs in 2017?

The whole team is great (especially on defense). They didn't win 61 in the west by accident.

yellowboy90 wrote:Honestly, if I'm Cleveland I'd look into moving Kyrie.

How would that get them past GSW? Kyrie practically gave the production of two all-stars in games 3 to 5! I don't think they'll get anything of such great value for Kyrie that they'd fare any better against GSW.

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

anrst wrote:with Kyrie, Lebron and Melo, that is harder for other teams to stop than with Love in place of Melo. All 3 can create own shot and need to be doubled.

Melo stops himself with chucking off balance, contested jump shots. It's crazy to think swapping Melo and Love makes them better than GS. GS has 4 all-stars and 2 MVPs. The Cavs still wouldn't be better than SAS either.

exactly they need melo as an addition, not addition by subtracting, that's 2 steps forward 2 steps back, only lottery teams do that..

Exactly is Love doing? He does rebound like a motherfucker.... other than that they are playing a 25/12 guy like a Illyosova.

Cleveland can't stay the same. They have to retool a bit. They actually could get Illyosova and Melo, possibly trade Shump and some other guys for players that simply fit better. There have been plenty of teams that were good but thet needed one or two lateral moves to get the right mix. Coming out the east isn't the problem... it's beating golden State. Best believe golden State will be back again next year

The trade needs to be something like Melo, Noah, and KOQ for Thompson, Frye, RJ, and Shumpert. Then I think a third team has to send us 1 more player to make the salaries work. If we can get a better offer elsewhere, Cleveland would have to start throwing in picks for us to do the deal with them.

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

anrst wrote:with Kyrie, Lebron and Melo, that is harder for other teams to stop than with Love in place of Melo. All 3 can create own shot and need to be doubled.

Melo stops himself with chucking off balance, contested jump shots. It's crazy to think swapping Melo and Love makes them better than GS. GS has 4 all-stars and 2 MVPs. The Cavs still wouldn't be better than SAS either.

exactly they need melo as an addition, not addition by subtracting, that's 2 steps forward 2 steps back, only lottery teams do that..

Exactly is Love doing? He does rebound like a motherfucker.... other than that they are playing a 25/12 guy like a Illyosova.

Cleveland can't stay the same. They have to retool a bit. They actually could get Illyosova and Melo, possibly trade Shump and some other guys for players that simply fit better. There have been plenty of teams that were good but thet needed one or two lateral moves to get the right mix. Coming out the way isn't the problem... it's beating golden State. Best believe golden State will be back again next year

You can't judge a guy by 2 or 3 post-season games. He's a legit all-star who scores very effectively from anywhere within 24 feet. That frees a lot of space for LeBron and the rebounding takes pressure off of him. Love put up 17/11 in the playoffs and he usually has their best on/off #s (ahead of LeBron and Irving, btw). They can't just swap him for another all-star. If that's the best they can do, they're better off just trading all their veterans for draft picks/young players and rebuilding.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Honestly, if I'm Cleveland I'd look into moving Kyrie.

How would that get them past GSW? Kyrie practically gave the production of two all-stars in games 3 to 5! I don't think they'll get anything of such great value for Kyrie that they'd fare any better against GSW.

He was only great in two games not 3 and when he is not shooting well what else does he gives you. They would get some lesser players on offense but they could improve on defense and get more solid offensive players.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Honestly, if I'm Cleveland I'd look into moving Kyrie.

How would that get them past GSW? Kyrie practically gave the production of two all-stars in games 3 to 5! I don't think they'll get anything of such great value for Kyrie that they'd fare any better against GSW.

He was only great in two games not 3 and when he is not shooting well what else does he gives you. They would get some lesser players on offense but they could improve on defense and get more solid offensive players.

Well, that would be selling high (whereas trading Love would be selling lower). I'm not opposed to it but I think keeping the big 3 and adding Melo has a better chance of working. It's a gamble that Melo can stay healthy and play harder and smarter. It still doesn't have great odds but no options do. How much of a difference would top defensive players really make? KD shot like 65 or 70% against LeBron. He's not guardable.

You guys way overrate Shump he is a role player on a bad contract - They wont be trading Shump for anything of value. Now them sending Shump to us on a Melo trade may happen but it would be bad outcome for us.

I think it would be very interesting to see Melo on a team where he can be simply a knockdown shooter and the third scoring option. If he were to buy into that role, he's an upgrade for the Cavs who struggle to score once LeBron and Kyrie get tired.

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

anrst wrote:with Kyrie, Lebron and Melo, that is harder for other teams to stop than with Love in place of Melo. All 3 can create own shot and need to be doubled.

Melo stops himself with chucking off balance, contested jump shots. It's crazy to think swapping Melo and Love makes them better than GS. GS has 4 all-stars and 2 MVPs. The Cavs still wouldn't be better than SAS either.

exactly they need melo as an addition, not addition by subtracting, that's 2 steps forward 2 steps back, only lottery teams do that..

Exactly is Love doing? He does rebound like a motherfucker.... other than that they are playing a 25/12 guy like a Illyosova.

Cleveland can't stay the same. They have to retool a bit. They actually could get Illyosova and Melo, possibly trade Shump and some other guys for players that simply fit better. There have been plenty of teams that were good but thet needed one or two lateral moves to get the right mix. Coming out the way isn't the problem... it's beating golden State. Best believe golden State will be back again next year

You can't judge a guy by 2 or 3 post-season games. He's a legit all-star who scores very effectively from anywhere within 24 feet. That frees a lot of space for LeBron and the rebounding takes pressure off of him. Love put up 17/11 in the playoffs and he usually has their best on/off #s (ahead of LeBron and Irving, btw). They can't just swap him for another all-star. If that's the best they can do, they're better off just trading all their veterans for draft picks/young players and rebuilding.

Adrian Dantley for Mark Aguirre? Oakley for Bill Cartwright? Webber for Mitch Richmond... Starks for Spree... Oakley for Camby... lj for mason.... Glenn rice for mourning. I'm winging it, but the pount ous teams could change the dymamics of their team with lateral trades. They don't have to stay the same and hope to steal another player. The brain trust has got to figure out what's missing and how they can improve.

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

anrst wrote:with Kyrie, Lebron and Melo, that is harder for other teams to stop than with Love in place of Melo. All 3 can create own shot and need to be doubled.

Melo stops himself with chucking off balance, contested jump shots. It's crazy to think swapping Melo and Love makes them better than GS. GS has 4 all-stars and 2 MVPs. The Cavs still wouldn't be better than SAS either.

Aside from Pop and Leonard... whats so good about the Spurs in 2017?

The whole team is great (especially on defense). They didn't win 61 in the west by accident.

It's true, but they are no closer to a championship than they are to being an 8th seed or misting the playoffs entirely. They have alot of older players and nobody really in the wings waiting to Come up. I do like the kid dejonte Murray.

Melo as an add to Cleveland big 3? One ball hog chucking guard and 3 forwards that should all be playing the same position. Sounds like a plan.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Honestly, if I'm Cleveland I'd look into moving Kyrie.

How would that get them past GSW? Kyrie practically gave the production of two all-stars in games 3 to 5! I don't think they'll get anything of such great value for Kyrie that they'd fare any better against GSW.

He was only great in two games not 3 and when he is not shooting well what else does he gives you. They would get some lesser players on offense but they could improve on defense and get more solid offensive players.

Well, that would be selling high (whereas trading Love would be selling lower). I'm not opposed to it but I think keeping the big 3 and adding Melo has a better chance of working. It's a gamble that Melo can stay healthy and play harder and smarter. It still doesn't have great odds but no options do. How much of a difference would top defensive players really make? KD shot like 65 or 70% against LeBron. He's not guardable.

I have Nardog/Knickzingis/newyork4ever type trade idea that could solve some problems.

Knicks - Trades: Anthony, Lee to the Cavs

Cavs - Trades: Thompson, Frye, Jefferson, and Taveres to Portland and Shump to the knicks

Blazers - Trades: Leonard and Turner to the knicks and Harkless to the Cavs

So the results will be:

NY receives - Turner, Leonard, Shump, #20 pick, #26 pick, and Cavs 2021 protected 1st(probably similar to the Dallas/Phi(Noel trade)

Por receives - Thompson, Frye, Jefferson, #44 pick, and #58 pick

Cle receives - Melo, Lee, and Harkless.

I think this could possibly help all teams. NY will add picks for taking on salary and move on from Melo.

The Blazers save nearly $10m this year and another $7m+ the following summer while gaining a legit rebounder to platoon with Nurkic in Thompson and two hustle defenders in Shump and Jefferson. Plus they get two 2nd rd picks to play with.

The Cavs get the Wings to match up with GSW. They improve their bench and team even though they lose a good rebounder.

One caveat. I think you can get the cavs to remove the protection if the Knicks and Cleveland agree to trade O'Quinn in a separate trade to slide into their trade exception before they lose it.

Is this to crazy? Did I go full Nardog/Knickzingis/newyork4ever?

PJ is not going to trade Melo for just anyone. PJ has been conducting mind games on Melo making his decision easier to waive his NTC. If PJ does not get the deal he wants, I'm sure he'd keep Melo and make him a 6th man. Starters run triangle; 2nd group runs Melo's offense. Melo still plays at the end of games bc that's when ISO is most prevelent.

Let's also not forget about the additional $ Melo will receive on his trade kicker.
No trade - no kicker. Finally Melo has a great opportunity to hook up with a championship contender.
Every competitor wants an opportunity to compete for a championship and Melo is that type of competitor (whether you like him or not)