just today--behind Kennard. Still has us taking Monk never changed
I saw that. They also have had Laurie going to the Wolves and Monk to the Knicks for their last few mocks. I don't think there is anyway he gets past Dallas at 9.
I think with more focus on Nitty it's becoming clear he's a good player but perhaps just not a STAR type! IMO a kid like Monk or DSJ at least has that kind of potential you look for.
I'm not really sold on Markkanen at 7! Maybe Draft Express has heard something from someone close to the TWolves.
while everyone is working out with teams he is not, so he still a huge mystery
nixluva wrote:I think with more focus on Nitty it's becoming clear he's a good player but perhaps just not a STAR type! IMO a kid like Monk or DSJ at least has that kind of potential you look for. I'm not really sold on Markkanen at 7! Maybe Draft Express has heard something from someone close to the TWolves.
That would be ideal for him in reality to fall to a borderline playoff team like Miami and build himself up. Then he becomes a perimeter lockdown defender 1-3 to Whiteside's paint protection. Bangs 3s at a 38% click and offers PG skills on the wing.
Frank is the biggest unknown in the draft being the youngest player and also having not worked out for anyone or attending the combine. I think this is why they show him at #14. I'm hopeful that Phil and Clarence know everything there is to know about him and we can take him at 8 and people will talk about it later on as "Phil just stole Frank like he stole KP two years ago."
reub wrote:Frank is the biggest unknown in the draft being the youngest player and also having not worked out for anyone or attending the combine. I think this is why they show him at #14. I'm hopeful that Phil and Clarence know everything there is to know about him and we can take him at 8 and people will talk about it later on as "Phil just stole Frank like he stole KP two years ago."
That would be great. Berman's article today said the Mavs have been scouting him since he was 17. I don't think he lasts past 9. If he is the guy Gaines and Phil want they should take him. I don't think he is there if they somehow get 12 from the pistons.
CrushAlot wrote:reub wrote:Frank is the biggest unknown in the draft being the youngest player and also having not worked out for anyone or attending the combine. I think this is why they show him at #14. I'm hopeful that Phil and Clarence know everything there is to know about him and we can take him at 8 and people will talk about it later on as "Phil just stole Frank like he stole KP two years ago."
That would be great. Berman's article today said the Mavs have been scouting him since he was 17. I don't think he lasts past 9. If he is the guy Gaines and Phil want they should take him. I don't think he is there if they somehow get 12 from the pistons.
If we can choose between Frank and Dennis Smith I'd really be torn because Smith looks like such a good prototypical PG for today's game. I think that we'd take Frank given that choice.
reub wrote:CrushAlot wrote:reub wrote:Frank is the biggest unknown in the draft being the youngest player and also having not worked out for anyone or attending the combine. I think this is why they show him at #14. I'm hopeful that Phil and Clarence know everything there is to know about him and we can take him at 8 and people will talk about it later on as "Phil just stole Frank like he stole KP two years ago."
That would be great. Berman's article today said the Mavs have been scouting him since he was 17. I don't think he lasts past 9. If he is the guy Gaines and Phil want they should take him. I don't think he is there if they somehow get 12 from the pistons.
If we can choose between Frank and Dennis Smith I'd really be torn because Smith looks like such a good prototypical PG for today's game. I think that we'd take Frank given that choice.
I see Smith as a guy who may put up numbers but would he contribute to winning? I see him as a OJ Mayo type player.
Welpee wrote:reub wrote:CrushAlot wrote:reub wrote:Frank is the biggest unknown in the draft being the youngest player and also having not worked out for anyone or attending the combine. I think this is why they show him at #14. I'm hopeful that Phil and Clarence know everything there is to know about him and we can take him at 8 and people will talk about it later on as "Phil just stole Frank like he stole KP two years ago."
That would be great. Berman's article today said the Mavs have been scouting him since he was 17. I don't think he lasts past 9. If he is the guy Gaines and Phil want they should take him. I don't think he is there if they somehow get 12 from the pistons.
If we can choose between Frank and Dennis Smith I'd really be torn because Smith looks like such a good prototypical PG for today's game. I think that we'd take Frank given that choice.
I see Smith as a guy who may put up numbers but would he contribute to winning? I see him as a OJ Mayo type player.
A talent like Smith can definitely contribute to winning. Its up to phil to put together the right pieces and develop a winning culture...Right now, KP nor Willy are not contributing to winning because we have a roster that's not very talented right now. Just because Smith is a lead guard who can put up numbers doesn't mean he can't be apart of a winning team.
dacash wrote:while everyone is working out with teams he is not, so he still a huge mystery
I think that is the biggest issue teams are not going to want to draft him without working him out and his league numbers haven't been great.
Uptown wrote:Welpee wrote:reub wrote:CrushAlot wrote:reub wrote:Frank is the biggest unknown in the draft being the youngest player and also having not worked out for anyone or attending the combine. I think this is why they show him at #14. I'm hopeful that Phil and Clarence know everything there is to know about him and we can take him at 8 and people will talk about it later on as "Phil just stole Frank like he stole KP two years ago."
That would be great. Berman's article today said the Mavs have been scouting him since he was 17. I don't think he lasts past 9. If he is the guy Gaines and Phil want they should take him. I don't think he is there if they somehow get 12 from the pistons.
If we can choose between Frank and Dennis Smith I'd really be torn because Smith looks like such a good prototypical PG for today's game. I think that we'd take Frank given that choice.
I see Smith as a guy who may put up numbers but would he contribute to winning? I see him as a OJ Mayo type player.
A talent like Smith can definitely contribute to winning. Its up to phil to put together the right pieces and develop a winning culture...Right now, KP nor Willy are not contributing to winning because we have a roster that's not very talented right now. Just because Smith is a lead guard who can put up numbers doesn't mean he can't be apart of a winning team.
No, but if he's a lead guard who puts up numbers, doesn't get along with teammates and will look off open teammates to jack up bad shots, will he contribute to winning?
wargames wrote:dacash wrote:while everyone is working out with teams he is not, so he still a huge mystery
I think that is the biggest issue teams are not going to want to draft him without working him out and his league numbers haven't been great.
Too much well known talent to take a risk on Nitty. In a weaker draft I can see taking the shot but there are much more sure options in this draft. You have to be ULTRA confident in Ntilikina IMO.
reub wrote:Frank is the biggest unknown in the draft being the youngest player and also having not worked out for anyone or attending the combine. I think this is why they show him at #14. I'm hopeful that Phil and Clarence know everything there is to know about him and we can take him at 8 and people will talk about it later on as "Phil just stole Frank like he stole KP two years ago."
Best case scenario would be him staying there at 14, which would allow us to trade down for the Blaxers' picks at 15, 20 and 26. That would put us in a position to still draft him and add other players to help us hedge on the possibility of walking away with a bust.
We're taking Frank at 8. We've been scouting him every day for months. Mills and Gaines have gone over to watch him. He's our destiny.
nixluva wrote:wargames wrote:dacash wrote:while everyone is working out with teams he is not, so he still a huge mystery
I think that is the biggest issue teams are not going to want to draft him without working him out and his league numbers haven't been great.
Too much well known talent to take a risk on Nitty. In a weaker draft I can see taking the shot but there are much more sure options in this draft. You have to be ULTRA confident in Ntilikina IMO.
I don't think the Knicks look at Frank as unknown talent. They have arguably the best European network of scouts and have been following him for years.
nixluva wrote:wargames wrote:dacash wrote:while everyone is working out with teams he is not, so he still a huge mystery
I think that is the biggest issue teams are not going to want to draft him without working him out and his league numbers haven't been great.
Too much well known talent to take a risk on Nitty. In a weaker draft I can see taking the shot but there are much more sure options in this draft. You have to be ULTRA confident in Ntilikina IMO.
There's no sure options in any draft. You know this Nix so not sure why you'd say that. Both DSJ and M.Monk have questions about their games in the NBA and those are the other that are most being talked about at #8 for us. Nobody on here or any fan can say what Frank is gonna be in the NBA cause there's just not enough info to be had on him. You can't go off of the stats these kids that play euro ball put up cause they're all used in odd ways over there. Supposedly Frank is only asked to guard the other teams best player and they don't ask him to put up great numbers on offense, and if that's true then we have no idea what he can do when he's asked to run a team and play his game offensively. We know defensively he's gonna be really good though.
reub wrote:We're taking Frank at 8. We've been scouting him every day for months. Mills and Gaines have gone over to watch him. He's our destiny.
Unless someone falls.
CrushAlot wrote:reub wrote:We're taking Frank at 8. We've been scouting him every day for months. Mills and Gaines have gone over to watch him. He's our destiny.
Unless someone falls.
i think someone is gonna fall just have a feeling. I remember when winslow fell to 10 and most had him in top 5.
newyorker4ever wrote:nixluva wrote:wargames wrote:dacash wrote:while everyone is working out with teams he is not, so he still a huge mystery
I think that is the biggest issue teams are not going to want to draft him without working him out and his league numbers haven't been great.
Too much well known talent to take a risk on Nitty. In a weaker draft I can see taking the shot but there are much more sure options in this draft. You have to be ULTRA confident in Ntilikina IMO.
There's no sure options in any draft. You know this Nix so not sure why you'd say that. Both DSJ and M.Monk have questions about their games in the NBA and those are the other that are most being talked about at #8 for us. Nobody on here or any fan can say what Frank is gonna be in the NBA cause there's just not enough info to be had on him. You can't go off of the stats these kids that play euro ball put up cause they're all used in odd ways over there. Supposedly Frank is only asked to guard the other teams best player and they don't ask him to put up great numbers on offense, and if that's true then we have no idea what he can do when he's asked to run a team and play his game offensively. We know defensively he's gonna be really good though.
Agree. I don't know how anyone can say a 6'2" shooting guard is a sure thing. Let's say his scoring carries over, his lack of playmaking and defense limits how you can use him. Too many questions for a sure fire star. Smith has talent, but the intangibles. He's one guy I'd like to see play en extra year, but can't blame him for leaving. Forget about the triangle, I worry about DSJs fit in any winning team dynamic. I think Zach Collins is the closest thing to a surefire NBA starter in our range and he has a lot of questions as well.
newyorker4ever wrote:nixluva wrote:wargames wrote:dacash wrote:while everyone is working out with teams he is not, so he still a huge mystery
I think that is the biggest issue teams are not going to want to draft him without working him out and his league numbers haven't been great.
Too much well known talent to take a risk on Nitty. In a weaker draft I can see taking the shot but there are much more sure options in this draft. You have to be ULTRA confident in Ntilikina IMO.
There's no sure options in any draft. You know this Nix so not sure why you'd say that. Both DSJ and M.Monk have questions about their games in the NBA and those are the other that are most being talked about at #8 for us. Nobody on here or any fan can say what Frank is gonna be in the NBA cause there's just not enough info to be had on him. You can't go off of the stats these kids that play euro ball put up cause they're all used in odd ways over there. Supposedly Frank is only asked to guard the other teams best player and they don't ask him to put up great numbers on offense, and if that's true then we have no idea what he can do when he's asked to run a team and play his game offensively. We know defensively he's gonna be really good though.
I've actually watched full games of Nitty. He's clearly a good Prospect but I think there are more questions about him than many of the other top Prospects that actually had an opportunity to show more.
From what I saw Nitty looks good but not Elite. Solid skills. Good BBall instincts but still raw in a lot of areas, which is to be expected. He looks like he's more of a fill in guy rather than a take charge type. That could change as he develops but then I go back to his overall quickness and burst being only OK.
Also his coaches want Nitty to be more aggressive. He tends to lose that aggressiveness. I think he's more comfortable fitting in. This could be his youth messing with his confidence. I don't have these concerns with kids like Monk or DSJ.
