Knicks · Melo's ego & the NTC (page 2)

fitzfarm wrote:I've come to the conclusion that melo is here to stay ... unless there is a buy out, melo isn't going anywhere he wants to win in ny and I admire him for it. But I will say with his age the only way we win with melo is with him off the bench as a sixth man

I don't think it has to do with wanting to win in new York. I think it has to do with family issues(which I can understand) and also because he wants to stick it to phil. Lets be honest if Melo really wanted to win he would have been out of here 3 years back

Melo is in a contract year.
He is not going to tank if he remains a Knick.
He will probably play better than he has the last few years, at least effort wise.
He wants to go into FA looking like a strong asset, so he can get MAX or big contract offers in free agency.

I think we should try and trade him for a young wing or a top 10 draft pick, but if we can not, then we should keep him and let him walk at season's end or try again for a trade at deadline.

Move KP to 5 for this year bring Willy off the bench. Move O'Quinn via trade for two second rounders or a late 1st.
Maybe even try to be a playoff team. Probably miss out, but when chemistry was good and defense better 2 years ago we were in the playoffs until injuries hit. 22-22 I believe at one point and that was with rookie KP giving us 14/7 a night. KP may be able to give us 22/8 next year and more consistency. Monk or our lottery pick may be able to start and give us a spark.

If we keep Melo because trade value sucks

Draft Monk, maybe?
Sign PJ Tucker in free agency.
Re-sign Holiday

Porzingis/Hernangomez....Noah
Melo/Thomas..............second round pick or veteran FA on mininum contract?
Tucker/Holiday...........Kuzminskas
Baker/Lee................Sasha?
Monk/Randle..............second round pick or veteran FA for minimum contract?

That's probably a 35-40 win team, depending on where Porzingis, Willy (as a 6th man), and Monk are next year as players. We may even be able to sneak into the playoffs if KP performs like all-star for the season, instead of 4 out of 6 months, Start Baker at 2 (1 on offense) and Monk at 1 (2 on offense). Running the Triangle don't need a typical point guard. Tucker will improve D. Baker is a tenacious defender. KP at 5 with Melo at 4 is quicker and better on D than when they play 4/3 together. You probably improve a little bit on defense this way without losing offense firepower (better spacing as well on O). Bench is stronger with TWO go to scorers like Willy and CLee. You can bring two starting level playrs in CLee and Willy off the bench and they can get the 2nd unit points and good shot creation.

I'm not looking at Melo as a must trade. He and Phil can sit down before the season and talk it out. Phil did this with many of his players only for them to step up and win a championship even down the road. Not that it will happen here, but I don't see why if KP becomes more consistent, stronger and healthy and we draft well with either Monk (or someone like that) why we can't be a competitive lower playoff level team with 2 all-stars like KP/Melo. This team's talent is not the best in the league, but in the East we're easily talent wise a top 6-7 team with some improved role players, KP growing ito a man, team cohesion etc.

Papabear wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Phil has made plenty of errors I totally agree. But I seriously doubt stars were coming here to play with melo anyway.

Papabear Says

Chris Paul just might have came. Phil blew that.

such BS. But I have some beachfront in Minnesota to sell you. Its great. Just check out this sales brochure

I was once stupid enough to think that Melo might attract a marquee FA. Denver and NY have been waiting a decade for big FA to want to play with Melo. Guess what... if they did they would have signed.

I don't want old Chris Paul. Besides, this dude wants that super fat max deal he fought for.
LA gets him Melo to make him happy.
Phil gave him the NTC makes him a good guy. At the same time Phil gave him the NTC and he a bad guy. Stop getting all pissy on PHil on things that have yet to happen.
Besides, you really want Chris paul on a 4 year max deal? That history is done. I want young team of the future, not a starphuch present.
Melo will get bought out at a fair price.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Phil has made plenty of errors I totally agree. But I seriously doubt stars were coming here to play with melo anyway.

Papabear Says

Chris Paul just might have came. Phil blew that.

At this point Chris Paul wouldn't have done much good to be honest. Back in 2012 it might have been a different story. Secondly I have a hard time buying that story actually. Despite being friends with melo he still had a better situation in LA

The thing is, adding a guy like cp3 to go with melo/kp, attracts other solid FA's to sign on for short cheap deals

nyknickzingis wrote:Melo is in a contract year.
He is not going to tank if he remains a Knick.
He will probably play better than he has the last few years, at least effort wise.
He wants to go into FA looking like a strong asset, so he can get MAX or big contract offers in free agency.

I think we should try and trade him for a young wing or a top 10 draft pick, but if we can not, then we should keep him and let him walk at season's end or try again for a trade at deadline.

Move KP to 5 for this year bring Willy off the bench. Move O'Quinn via trade for two second rounders or a late 1st.
Maybe even try to be a playoff team. Probably miss out, but when chemistry was good and defense better 2 years ago we were in the playoffs until injuries hit. 22-22 I believe at one point and that was with rookie KP giving us 14/7 a night. KP may be able to give us 22/8 next year and more consistency. Monk or our lottery pick may be able to start and give us a spark.

If we keep Melo because trade value sucks

Draft Monk, maybe?
Sign PJ Tucker in free agency.
Re-sign Holiday

Porzingis/Hernangomez....Noah
Melo/Thomas..............second round pick or veteran FA on mininum contract?
Tucker/Holiday...........Kuzminskas
Baker/Lee................Sasha?
Monk/Randle..............second round pick or veteran FA for minimum contract?

That's probably a 35-40 win team, depending on where Porzingis, Willy (as a 6th man), and Monk are next year as players. We may even be able to sneak into the playoffs if KP performs like all-star for the season, instead of 4 out of 6 months, Start Baker at 2 (1 on offense) and Monk at 1 (2 on offense). Running the Triangle don't need a typical point guard. Tucker will improve D. Baker is a tenacious defender. KP at 5 with Melo at 4 is quicker and better on D than when they play 4/3 together. You probably improve a little bit on defense this way without losing offense firepower (better spacing as well on O). Bench is stronger with TWO go to scorers like Willy and CLee. You can bring two starting level playrs in CLee and Willy off the bench and they can get the 2nd unit points and good shot creation.

I'm not looking at Melo as a must trade. He and Phil can sit down before the season and talk it out. Phil did this with many of his players only for them to step up and win a championship even down the road. Not that it will happen here, but I don't see why if KP becomes more consistent, stronger and healthy and we draft well with either Monk (or someone like that) why we can't be a competitive lower playoff level team with 2 all-stars like KP/Melo. This team's talent is not the best in the league, but in the East we're easily talent wise a top 6-7 team with some improved role players, KP growing ito a man, team cohesion etc.

Melo has two years left on his deal. He has a player's option but is owed 27 mil for that last year. He will be 34 and is on the decline. I don't think he opts out. If he is waived or bought out he could be the ultimate hired gun for the next two years on the Knicks dime.

fishmike wrote:

Papabear wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Phil has made plenty of errors I totally agree. But I seriously doubt stars were coming here to play with melo anyway.

Papabear Says

Chris Paul just might have came. Phil blew that.

such BS. But I have some beachfront in Minnesota to sell you. Its great. Just check out this sales brochure

I was once stupid enough to think that Melo might attract a marquee FA. Denver and NY have been waiting a decade for big FA to want to play with Melo. Guess what... if they did they would have signed.

Would you consider "stupid enough" after Uncle Phil gutted the team and made it clear he would force feed the modern Triangle? Or before that? Reasonable to expect no one to want to join Melo once it was clear Phil did not know what he was doing.

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

It sucks. I used to love the week before the trade deadline and the week before the draft. Now I just hope there isn't an @ssfest. No such luck lately.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

Both Melo and Phil have been crap. They deserve each other. Criticizing one doesn't support the other. Saying Melo came to play ball every game is laughable. He came to chuck bad shots and take naps on defense. (But, no, that doesn't remove blame from Phil.)

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

Both Melo and Phil have been crap. They deserve each other. Criticizing one doesn't support the other. Saying Melo came to play ball every game is laughable. He came to chuck bad shots and take naps on defense. (But, no, that doesn't remove blame from Phil.)

Riiiiiiiiiigth Bonn.. Tell us the story again about how our 29 win team got raped in "The Trade", again. Melo came here and we went to the playoffs three years straight. We actually won the division. But Melo just came here to chuck bad shots and take naps. Got it.

Phil came here for $60 mil and cluster-fucqued himself and this franchise into a hole. And now he's managed to alienate the Unicorn, which is the only thing he had managed not to Hinkie to death in four years. This is a player's starphucque league now. Phil hasn't understood that yet. He still thinks it's all about him.

Funny, a thread about Melo's ego, when we have the largesse off all ego's sitting in the President's chair.

Same, tired old BS, new day; trade Melo, Melo should trade himself, Bench Melo, Cut Melo, Send Melo to China...

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

Both Melo and Phil have been crap. They deserve each other. Criticizing one doesn't support the other. Saying Melo came to play ball every game is laughable. He came to chuck bad shots and take naps on defense. (But, no, that doesn't remove blame from Phil.)

Riiiiiiiiiigth Bonn.. Tell us the story again about how our 29 win team got raped in "The Trade", again. Melo came here and we went to the playoffs three years straight. We actually won the division. But Melo just came here to chuck bad shots and take naps. Got it.

Phil came here for $60 mil and cluster-fucqued himself and this franchise into a hole. And now he's managed to alienate the Unicorn, which is the only thing he had managed not to Hinkie to death in four years. This is a player's starphucque league now. Phil hasn't understood that yet. He still thinks it's all about him.

Funny, a thread about Melo's ego, when we have the largesse off all ego's sitting in the President's chair.

Same, tired old BS, new day; trade Melo, Melo should trade himself, Bench Melo, Cut Melo, Send Melo to China...

Its funny I never see you on here unless you are going to war for melo. does he have you on speed dial?

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

Both Melo and Phil have been crap. They deserve each other. Criticizing one doesn't support the other. Saying Melo came to play ball every game is laughable. He came to chuck bad shots and take naps on defense. (But, no, that doesn't remove blame from Phil.)

Riiiiiiiiiigth Bonn.. Tell us the story again about how our 29 win team got raped in "The Trade", again. Melo came here and we went to the playoffs three years straight. We actually won the division. But Melo just came here to chuck bad shots and take naps. Got it.

Phil came here for $60 mil and cluster-fucqued himself and this franchise into a hole. And now he's managed to alienate the Unicorn, which is the only thing he had managed not to Hinkie to death in four years. This is a player's starphucque league now. Phil hasn't understood that yet. He still thinks it's all about him.

Funny, a thread about Melo's ego, when we have the largesse off all ego's sitting in the President's chair.

Same, tired old BS, new day; trade Melo, Melo should trade himself, Bench Melo, Cut Melo, Send Melo to China...

I was talking about last year's Melo. A few years ago, he was definitely better though still not worth his contract. Now, he's shooting worse than every team in the league and lazy on defense.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

Both Melo and Phil have been crap. They deserve each other. Criticizing one doesn't support the other. Saying Melo came to play ball every game is laughable. He came to chuck bad shots and take naps on defense. (But, no, that doesn't remove blame from Phil.)

Riiiiiiiiiigth Bonn.. Tell us the story again about how our 29 win team got raped in "The Trade", again. Melo came here and we went to the playoffs three years straight. We actually won the division. But Melo just came here to chuck bad shots and take naps. Got it.

Phil came here for $60 mil and cluster-fucqued himself and this franchise into a hole. And now he's managed to alienate the Unicorn, which is the only thing he had managed not to Hinkie to death in four years. This is a player's starphucque league now. Phil hasn't understood that yet. He still thinks it's all about him.

Funny, a thread about Melo's ego, when we have the largesse off all ego's sitting in the President's chair.

Same, tired old BS, new day; trade Melo, Melo should trade himself, Bench Melo, Cut Melo, Send Melo to China...

Its funny I never see you on here unless you are going to war for melo. does he have you on speed dial?

You missed my one post on bashing a proposed trade with Phoenix? tsk tsk tsk

I've never been one to play make believe, wanna-be GM. Smells too much like fantasy league circle jerking...
And BRIGGS has every possible draft pick in the solar system dissected, rated and set, so what's the point?

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

Both Melo and Phil have been crap. They deserve each other. Criticizing one doesn't support the other. Saying Melo came to play ball every game is laughable. He came to chuck bad shots and take naps on defense. (But, no, that doesn't remove blame from Phil.)

Riiiiiiiiiigth Bonn.. Tell us the story again about how our 29 win team got raped in "The Trade", again. Melo came here and we went to the playoffs three years straight. We actually won the division. But Melo just came here to chuck bad shots and take naps. Got it.

Phil came here for $60 mil and cluster-fucqued himself and this franchise into a hole. And now he's managed to alienate the Unicorn, which is the only thing he had managed not to Hinkie to death in four years. This is a player's starphucque league now. Phil hasn't understood that yet. He still thinks it's all about him.

Funny, a thread about Melo's ego, when we have the largesse off all ego's sitting in the President's chair.

Same, tired old BS, new day; trade Melo, Melo should trade himself, Bench Melo, Cut Melo, Send Melo to China...

I was talking about last year's Melo. A few years ago, he was definitely better though still not worth his contract. Now, he's shooting worse than every team in the league and lazy on defense.

BadMelo came here just last year? Come on Bonn, you're not really that weak.

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

Both Melo and Phil have been crap. They deserve each other. Criticizing one doesn't support the other. Saying Melo came to play ball every game is laughable. He came to chuck bad shots and take naps on defense. (But, no, that doesn't remove blame from Phil.)

Would agree that hard to compare the two as one actually plays the games and the other shows up to watch just a few. I'm am not the only one suggesting that maybe just maybe, the team did not need to be gutted prior to Phil but merely altered (like every other NBA team at the end of the year) Melo has always been our best player. As papabear said, you may not like his style of play but he is one of the best scorers in NBA history. And if you dont think so then dont extend him for 5 year with a NTC. If you do then you have to be smart enough to surround him with the right players and take advantage of his natural skill.
Did he not play like an MVP when we put just a few right pieces around him? Agree with Papabear and have said it for a long time. Phil's ego has and Wil always be the issue keepimg him feom succeeding as an exec. As for Phil, would not be complaining if things were more in order, we were headed in the right direction, had some continuity and were not the laughing stock of the NBA. That is all Phil. Like I said, KP was the first thing the Sheep went to in order to defend Phil. If he gives up on him just two years in, it will confirm all that I feared about him. That puts him as a bigger failure than IT.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

Both Melo and Phil have been crap. They deserve each other. Criticizing one doesn't support the other. Saying Melo came to play ball every game is laughable. He came to chuck bad shots and take naps on defense. (But, no, that doesn't remove blame from Phil.)

Would agree that hard to compare the two as one actually plays the games and the other shows up to watch just a few. I'm am not the only one suggesting that maybe just maybe, the team did not to be gutted prior to Phil but merely altered (like every other NBA team at the end of the year) Melo has always been our best player. As papabear said, you may not like his style of play. But then dont extend him for 5 year with a NTC. If you do then you have to be smart enough to surround him with the right players and take advantage of his natural skill.
Did he not play like an MVP when we put just a few right pieces around him? Agree with Papabear and habe said it for a long time. Phil's ego has and Wil always be the issue. As for Phil, would not be complaining if things were more in order, we were headed in the right direction, had some continuity and were not the laughing stock of the NBA. That is all Phil. Like I said, KP was the first thing the Sheep went to in order to defend Phil. If he gives up on him just two years in, it will confirm all that I feared. That puts him worse than IT.

Just noticed that sig line. Pure gold. Lin Lovers always makes me laugh.

Phil trading KP could be balanced out by him somehow extricating himself from Noah's contract. Not likely those two galactic mind farts collide, but it could happen.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

Both Melo and Phil have been crap. They deserve each other. Criticizing one doesn't support the other. Saying Melo came to play ball every game is laughable. He came to chuck bad shots and take naps on defense. (But, no, that doesn't remove blame from Phil.)

Would agree that hard to compare the two as one actually plays the games and the other shows up to watch just a few. I'm am not the only one suggesting that maybe just maybe, the team did not need to be gutted prior to Phil but merely altered (like every other NBA team at the end of the year) Melo has always been our best player. As papabear said, you may not like his style of play but he is one of the best scorers in NBA history. And if you dont think so then dont extend him for 5 year with a NTC. If you do then you have to be smart enough to surround him with the right players and take advantage of his natural skill.
Did he not play like an MVP when we put just a few right pieces around him? Agree with Papabear and have said it for a long time. Phil's ego has and Wil always be the issue keepimg him feom succeeding as an exec. As for Phil, would not be complaining if things were more in order, we were headed in the right direction, had some continuity and were not the laughing stock of the NBA. That is all Phil. Like I said, KP was the first thing the Sheep went to in order to defend Phil. If he gives up on him just two years in, it will confirm all that I feared about him. That puts him as a bigger failure than IT.

At least we found one thing we could agree on!
I would take it a step further and say Phil should have told Dolan (since they were in discussions for many months) that he needs to give him an offer before the trade deadline so that he can figure out what to do with Melo and the rest of the team. Phil was in an awful situation (though he compounded it) with Melo entering free agency.

jrodmc wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

Both Melo and Phil have been crap. They deserve each other. Criticizing one doesn't support the other. Saying Melo came to play ball every game is laughable. He came to chuck bad shots and take naps on defense. (But, no, that doesn't remove blame from Phil.)

Would agree that hard to compare the two as one actually plays the games and the other shows up to watch just a few. I'm am not the only one suggesting that maybe just maybe, the team did not to be gutted prior to Phil but merely altered (like every other NBA team at the end of the year) Melo has always been our best player. As papabear said, you may not like his style of play. But then dont extend him for 5 year with a NTC. If you do then you have to be smart enough to surround him with the right players and take advantage of his natural skill.
Did he not play like an MVP when we put just a few right pieces around him? Agree with Papabear and habe said it for a long time. Phil's ego has and Wil always be the issue. As for Phil, would not be complaining if things were more in order, we were headed in the right direction, had some continuity and were not the laughing stock of the NBA. That is all Phil. Like I said, KP was the first thing the Sheep went to in order to defend Phil. If he gives up on him just two years in, it will confirm all that I feared. That puts him worse than IT.

Just noticed that sig line. Pure gold. Lin Lovers always makes me laugh.

Phil trading KP could be balanced out by him somehow extricating himself from Noah's contract. Not likely those two galactic mind farts collide, but it could happen.

Had mentioned several times, if he gets rid of the aged cripple, I will vote for Phil as Prez of the year (probably not). If he needs to add KP to a deal he would have to get Boston's number 3, a 2nd rounder and one of Boston's young pieces (Smart or Brown), takimg back no salary.But even with that, he will have changed directions every single year. What successfull Prez has done that in his first 4 years. Smh

StarksEwing1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

Both Melo and Phil have been crap. They deserve each other. Criticizing one doesn't support the other. Saying Melo came to play ball every game is laughable. He came to chuck bad shots and take naps on defense. (But, no, that doesn't remove blame from Phil.)

Riiiiiiiiiigth Bonn.. Tell us the story again about how our 29 win team got raped in "The Trade", again. Melo came here and we went to the playoffs three years straight. We actually won the division. But Melo just came here to chuck bad shots and take naps. Got it.

Phil came here for $60 mil and cluster-fucqued himself and this franchise into a hole. And now he's managed to alienate the Unicorn, which is the only thing he had managed not to Hinkie to death in four years. This is a player's starphucque league now. Phil hasn't understood that yet. He still thinks it's all about him.

Funny, a thread about Melo's ego, when we have the largesse off all ego's sitting in the President's chair.

Same, tired old BS, new day; trade Melo, Melo should trade himself, Bench Melo, Cut Melo, Send Melo to China...

Its funny I never see you on here unless you are going to war for melo. does he have you on speed dial?

Perhaps I should have just said Melo, Phil, and Jrod deserve each other!

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Could Melo's ego get him to drop his NTC so he is traded somewhere that a) wants him/values him and b) is willing to give NY significant assets which reflect on Melo's value (and sense of worth?)

The Knicks don't want Melo.
CLE is going for Butler - they don't want Melo.
BOS obviously doesn't want Melo.
With chatter of CP going elsewhere, not sure the Clips want Melo.

Haven't heard of any other teams willing to trade draft assets and/or promising youth for a 33yr-old, declining player on an over-valued contract. Surprise surprise.

So - to save face, does Melo drop his NTC? I think he just might. That or he forces Phil to plain out cut him, which would be an ignominious end to his NY tenure. Does Melo want that?

Papabear Says

Why don't you just stop it" This ain't about Melo. Melo came to play ball every game. Now you may not like his game. This is about Phil Jackson's ego. Watch" Ain't no star's coming here because of the way he treated Melo. Look a lot of these draft picks especially the potential stars will not like being second fiddle to Jackson like Jackson is the star and not them. Until Jackson is gone the Knicks will hardly get to the playoffs. (only if they buy a ticket)

Your making too much sense for these boards. Even if Phil resets for the fourth time in four years and trades the Unicorn, these blind followers will still claim his 5 year plan is right on track.

Both Melo and Phil have been crap. They deserve each other. Criticizing one doesn't support the other. Saying Melo came to play ball every game is laughable. He came to chuck bad shots and take naps on defense. (But, no, that doesn't remove blame from Phil.)

Riiiiiiiiiigth Bonn.. Tell us the story again about how our 29 win team got raped in "The Trade", again. Melo came here and we went to the playoffs three years straight. We actually won the division. But Melo just came here to chuck bad shots and take naps. Got it.

Phil came here for $60 mil and cluster-fucqued himself and this franchise into a hole. And now he's managed to alienate the Unicorn, which is the only thing he had managed not to Hinkie to death in four years. This is a player's starphucque league now. Phil hasn't understood that yet. He still thinks it's all about him.

Funny, a thread about Melo's ego, when we have the largesse off all ego's sitting in the President's chair.

Same, tired old BS, new day; trade Melo, Melo should trade himself, Bench Melo, Cut Melo, Send Melo to China...

I was talking about last year's Melo. A few years ago, he was definitely better though still not worth his contract. Now, he's shooting worse than every team in the league and lazy on defense.

BadMelo came here just last year? Come on Bonn, you're not really that weak.

No, last year was part of a steady (predictable) decline. (Predictable since he's in his 30s, has the wrong mindset, and has about 20 seasons worth of minutes wearing down his body.)