Knicks · Stephen A Smith says Knicks working on Melo buyout (page 3)
Melo would be wise to get a deal done ASAP, knicks would be wise to take advantage of this.........
Win-win is how things get done.
fwk00 wrote:Paris907 wrote:Here's my 2 cents. Phil is trying to build a culture of team ball. Porzingis adolescent tantrum was generated in part by Melo. Dolan can pay off Melo and Phil says good riddance. KP has to understand that this just business and
Not dealing with the boss Ain't cool and neither were his brothers comments to management... "despite how management treats its players"...Thus rather than let a 21 year old dictate, get your picks and either KP wakes up or he and Melo can pack and we will get plenty for KP and upgrade our # 8. Fox and Tatum sound good along with Billy. I like KP a lot but you don't push your boss around in the press and he's been disrespectful to the franchise.
This is true. Look, Phil wants the team to have its own identity and play organized ball. If Porzingis is already a headcase, now is the time to cut bait.
Phil can get a nice, tidy package of players who will fill whatever void KP represents (not much of one) and move on.
Smart on the part of the organization. CLE just gave the finger to Melo.
Have you realize that everyone else is the problem, not phil
Nalod wrote:Everyone, take a deep breath Fill your lungs with knowledge, then breath out intelligence......Ok, a buy out is not usually for a full price. We owe himi 56million. What is free agent Melo worth? What was DWade paid last year? He got 42mil over two years.
Knicks position might be that. Melo is younger and a better player at the moment.So.........
$56,000,000
- $42,000,000
==============
$14,000.000
Divided by stretch provision 5 years.....$2,800,000 a year. Exhale. See, is that so bad? Oh, but some of you say "Melo wants his money...!!!!" Yes, Clippers pay the difference.
Is melo worth 15mil a year? JR smith money? $18mil a year? Yep. So lets say its somewhere we'd stretch between $14-$20mil. Thats 4mil a year.Now certainly most of you very intelligent knick fans knew how all this works right? I mean, before you string up Phil in a mob induced stupidity feed frenzy, you must realize that negotiating a buy out is just that.
If we waive him, that's a different story and we could get stuck in that scenario.Melo's agent is to figure out what teams will pay him, then go back to knicks and work with them. Knicks can set the value. Knicks can say he is welcome back to play 25 minutes off the bench or less if he is a dick about things. A fair and equitable figure can be reached. Melo will get his money, but he also might have to compromise a bit. EVERYONE HAS TO COMPROMISE A BIT!!!!!!! Knicks, Clippers, and MELO.
You think he's leaving $42 mil of 56 mil on the table in a buyout? Just with the hope some other team will pay him over $20 mil a year? Do players ever leave 3/4 of their contracts on the table in a buyout? I don't think so but I could be wrong. Usually they get like 90 plus percent I believe. Melo doesn't stand anything to benefit from taking one penny less than what he thinks the Knicks will offer him. If he leaves $42 mil on the table, he could possibly get that back in a new contract but it would mean he's limited to teams with cap space and he's going to handicap his new team by taking up a lot of their cap space.
Bonn1997 wrote:Nalod wrote:Everyone, take a deep breath Fill your lungs with knowledge, then breath out intelligence......Ok, a buy out is not usually for a full price. We owe himi 56million. What is free agent Melo worth? What was DWade paid last year? He got 42mil over two years.
Knicks position might be that. Melo is younger and a better player at the moment.So.........
$56,000,000
- $42,000,000
==============
$14,000.000
Divided by stretch provision 5 years.....$2,800,000 a year. Exhale. See, is that so bad? Oh, but some of you say "Melo wants his money...!!!!" Yes, Clippers pay the difference.
Is melo worth 15mil a year? JR smith money? $18mil a year? Yep. So lets say its somewhere we'd stretch between $14-$20mil. Thats 4mil a year.Now certainly most of you very intelligent knick fans knew how all this works right? I mean, before you string up Phil in a mob induced stupidity feed frenzy, you must realize that negotiating a buy out is just that.
If we waive him, that's a different story and we could get stuck in that scenario.Melo's agent is to figure out what teams will pay him, then go back to knicks and work with them. Knicks can set the value. Knicks can say he is welcome back to play 25 minutes off the bench or less if he is a dick about things. A fair and equitable figure can be reached. Melo will get his money, but he also might have to compromise a bit. EVERYONE HAS TO COMPROMISE A BIT!!!!!!! Knicks, Clippers, and MELO.
You think he's leaving $42 mil of 56 mil on the table in a buyout? Just with the hope some other team will pay him over $20 mil a year? Do players ever leave 3/4 of their contracts on the table in a buyout? I don't think so but I could be wrong. Usually they get like 90 plus percent I believe. Melo doesn't stand anything to benefit from taking one penny less than what he thinks the Knicks will offer him. If he leaves $42 mil on the table, he could possibly get that back in a new contract but it would mean he's limited to teams with cap space and he's going to handicap his new team by taking up a lot of their cap space.
Melo won't leave with a big discount unless he knows he can make most of it up. you don't think Lebron will cut JR's break line on his car to free up $15 mil over two years? You don't think anyone will pay Melo at least $30 million? Thats our payout of 26mil stretched to 5 years is 5.2 mil on our cap. JJ Reddick thought to be worth $18mil. You don't think Melo worth that over two years?
Hey, I could be all wrong too.
knicks1248 wrote:fwk00 wrote:Paris907 wrote:Here's my 2 cents. Phil is trying to build a culture of team ball. Porzingis adolescent tantrum was generated in part by Melo. Dolan can pay off Melo and Phil says good riddance. KP has to understand that this just business and
Not dealing with the boss Ain't cool and neither were his brothers comments to management... "despite how management treats its players"...Thus rather than let a 21 year old dictate, get your picks and either KP wakes up or he and Melo can pack and we will get plenty for KP and upgrade our # 8. Fox and Tatum sound good along with Billy. I like KP a lot but you don't push your boss around in the press and he's been disrespectful to the franchise.
This is true. Look, Phil wants the team to have its own identity and play organized ball. If Porzingis is already a headcase, now is the time to cut bait.
Phil can get a nice, tidy package of players who will fill whatever void KP represents (not much of one) and move on.
Smart on the part of the organization. CLE just gave the finger to Melo.
Have you realize that everyone else is the problem, not phil
About 2-3 years ago. Posters like TKF, DK7th, and various others were doing the same thing to Melo that you have been doing to Phil. When any information true or false comes out or any quote is said automaticaply is spun into a negative....
He is on record of saying he'd sacrifice his game for the greater good of the team.
Lets not just pretend Melo is some innocent victim of Zen Malpractice or fraud.
Nalod wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Nalod wrote:Everyone, take a deep breath Fill your lungs with knowledge, then breath out intelligence......Ok, a buy out is not usually for a full price. We owe himi 56million. What is free agent Melo worth? What was DWade paid last year? He got 42mil over two years.
Knicks position might be that. Melo is younger and a better player at the moment.So.........
$56,000,000
- $42,000,000
==============
$14,000.000
Divided by stretch provision 5 years.....$2,800,000 a year. Exhale. See, is that so bad? Oh, but some of you say "Melo wants his money...!!!!" Yes, Clippers pay the difference.
Is melo worth 15mil a year? JR smith money? $18mil a year? Yep. So lets say its somewhere we'd stretch between $14-$20mil. Thats 4mil a year.Now certainly most of you very intelligent knick fans knew how all this works right? I mean, before you string up Phil in a mob induced stupidity feed frenzy, you must realize that negotiating a buy out is just that.
If we waive him, that's a different story and we could get stuck in that scenario.Melo's agent is to figure out what teams will pay him, then go back to knicks and work with them. Knicks can set the value. Knicks can say he is welcome back to play 25 minutes off the bench or less if he is a dick about things. A fair and equitable figure can be reached. Melo will get his money, but he also might have to compromise a bit. EVERYONE HAS TO COMPROMISE A BIT!!!!!!! Knicks, Clippers, and MELO.
You think he's leaving $42 mil of 56 mil on the table in a buyout? Just with the hope some other team will pay him over $20 mil a year? Do players ever leave 3/4 of their contracts on the table in a buyout? I don't think so but I could be wrong. Usually they get like 90 plus percent I believe. Melo doesn't stand anything to benefit from taking one penny less than what he thinks the Knicks will offer him. If he leaves $42 mil on the table, he could possibly get that back in a new contract but it would mean he's limited to teams with cap space and he's going to handicap his new team by taking up a lot of their cap space.
Melo won't leave with a big discount unless he knows he can make most of it up. you don't think Lebron will cut JR's break line on his car to free up $15 mil over two years? You don't think anyone will pay Melo at least $30 million? Thats our payout of 26mil stretched to 5 years is 5.2 mil on our cap. JJ Reddick thought to be worth $18mil. You don't think Melo worth that over two years?
Hey, I could be all wrong too.
Cleveland can't just eliminate JR and free up $15 mil. They're way over the cap even without JR. Do I think anyone will pay Melo $30 mil over 2 years? Yes. Do I think that vastly limits Melo's options? Yes. Melo's not going to limit his options just to help the Knicks. If the Knicks were paying him $50 mil and he was looking to recoup only $6 mil, he could go anywhere he wanted. Melo handicaps his next team the least and keeps his options the most open if he expects the new team just to give him a league min salary (around $2.5 mil a year for a 10+ year veteran) and has the Knicks paying the rest of his paycheck. I think that's typically what happens when someone with a high salary is bought out. No team can sensibly expect a player to leave $30 mil on the table. That defeats the whole purpose of signing a guaranteed contract (and having a NTC and a trade kicker put in).
So he traded Chandler, Melo, Smith, Shumpert, THJR for Lance Thomas. Nice... Phil... Nice.
No one wants to play here. The franchise is a disgrace, why buy out a guy. He seems to be working hard in the gym already, let him come back motivated and if he plays well trade him. If not then entertain this.
knicks1248 wrote:fwk00 wrote:Paris907 wrote:Here's my 2 cents. Phil is trying to build a culture of team ball. Porzingis adolescent tantrum was generated in part by Melo. Dolan can pay off Melo and Phil says good riddance. KP has to understand that this just business and
Not dealing with the boss Ain't cool and neither were his brothers comments to management... "despite how management treats its players"...Thus rather than let a 21 year old dictate, get your picks and either KP wakes up or he and Melo can pack and we will get plenty for KP and upgrade our # 8. Fox and Tatum sound good along with Billy. I like KP a lot but you don't push your boss around in the press and he's been disrespectful to the franchise.
This is true. Look, Phil wants the team to have its own identity and play organized ball. If Porzingis is already a headcase, now is the time to cut bait.
Phil can get a nice, tidy package of players who will fill whatever void KP represents (not much of one) and move on.
Smart on the part of the organization. CLE just gave the finger to Melo.
Have you realize that everyone else is the problem, not phil
Ok so let's fire Phil and hire "one of those Spurs executives"... problem solved.
Bonn1997 wrote:Nalod wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Nalod wrote:Everyone, take a deep breath Fill your lungs with knowledge, then breath out intelligence......Ok, a buy out is not usually for a full price. We owe himi 56million. What is free agent Melo worth? What was DWade paid last year? He got 42mil over two years.
Knicks position might be that. Melo is younger and a better player at the moment.So.........
$56,000,000
- $42,000,000
==============
$14,000.000
Divided by stretch provision 5 years.....$2,800,000 a year. Exhale. See, is that so bad? Oh, but some of you say "Melo wants his money...!!!!" Yes, Clippers pay the difference.
Is melo worth 15mil a year? JR smith money? $18mil a year? Yep. So lets say its somewhere we'd stretch between $14-$20mil. Thats 4mil a year.Now certainly most of you very intelligent knick fans knew how all this works right? I mean, before you string up Phil in a mob induced stupidity feed frenzy, you must realize that negotiating a buy out is just that.
If we waive him, that's a different story and we could get stuck in that scenario.Melo's agent is to figure out what teams will pay him, then go back to knicks and work with them. Knicks can set the value. Knicks can say he is welcome back to play 25 minutes off the bench or less if he is a dick about things. A fair and equitable figure can be reached. Melo will get his money, but he also might have to compromise a bit. EVERYONE HAS TO COMPROMISE A BIT!!!!!!! Knicks, Clippers, and MELO.
You think he's leaving $42 mil of 56 mil on the table in a buyout? Just with the hope some other team will pay him over $20 mil a year? Do players ever leave 3/4 of their contracts on the table in a buyout? I don't think so but I could be wrong. Usually they get like 90 plus percent I believe. Melo doesn't stand anything to benefit from taking one penny less than what he thinks the Knicks will offer him. If he leaves $42 mil on the table, he could possibly get that back in a new contract but it would mean he's limited to teams with cap space and he's going to handicap his new team by taking up a lot of their cap space.
Melo won't leave with a big discount unless he knows he can make most of it up. you don't think Lebron will cut JR's break line on his car to free up $15 mil over two years? You don't think anyone will pay Melo at least $30 million? Thats our payout of 26mil stretched to 5 years is 5.2 mil on our cap. JJ Reddick thought to be worth $18mil. You don't think Melo worth that over two years?
Hey, I could be all wrong too.
Cleveland can't just eliminate JR and free up $15 mil. They're way over the cap even without JR. Do I think anyone will pay Melo $30 mil over 2 years? Yes. Do I think that vastly limits Melo's options? Yes. Melo's not going to limit his options just to help the Knicks. If the Knicks were paying him $50 mil and he was looking to recoup only $6 mil, he could go anywhere he wanted. Melo handicaps his next team the least and keeps his options the most open if he expects the new team just to give him a league min salary (around $2.5 mil a year for a 10+ year veteran) and has the Knicks paying the rest of his paycheck. I think that's typically what happens when someone with a high salary is bought out. No team can sensibly expect a player to leave $30 mil on the table. That defeats the whole purpose of signing a guaranteed contract (and having a NTC and a trade kicker put in).
Yeah, Me lo is trying to leave the most money on the Knicks book as he can to help his new team. It makes little sense to leave as much as Nalod is suggesting because the teams he wants to go to all have cap problems and wants a discounted Melo.
knicks1248 wrote:If that is the case then the Knicks should work with his agent to try to find a scenario where they can get a break on the salary owed him.CrushAlot wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Buying him out now would make no sense. They wait one more year then they can buy him out within the last year of his contract. In the meantime hang on to him and see what deals can formulate until then.Billups is supposedly going to become GM of the Cavs. Billuos twice proclaimed that Cavs need to trade Love for Melo.
I agree. But the guy that is running things doesn't do things that make sense.
Suppose it's melo's camp coming to phil with the buy out, and not the other way around.
GustavBahler wrote:Willy liked Melo's tweet. I smell a malcontent. Move him or he gets with the program. No way you can bring in Josh Jackson despite his tremendous talent. He is passionate and wants to win and might speak up about f'd up stuff that isn't a part of winning. Probably a lot more of his kind in the draft. Stay away from talent. Guys that are desperate to be in the league and will comply to any ish you throw at them is the way to go.Paris907 wrote:Here's my 2 cents. Phil is trying to build a culture of team ball. Porzingis adolescent tantrum was generated in part by Melo. Dolan can pay off Melo and Phil says good riddance. KP has to understand that this just business and
Not dealing with the boss Ain't cool and neither were his brothers comments to management... "despite how management treats its players"...Thus rather than let a 21 year old dictate, get your picks and either KP wakes up or he and Melo can pack and we will get plenty for KP and upgrade our # 8. Fox and Tatum sound good along with Billy. I like KP a lot but you don't push your boss around in the press and he's been disrespectful to the franchise.
Ive seen more adolescent behavior from mgmt this season than from the 21 year old.
CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Willy liked Melo's tweet. I smell a malcontent. Move him or he gets with the program. No way you can bring in Josh Jackson despite his tremendous talent. He is passionate and wants to win and might speak up about f'd up stuff that isn't a part of winning. Probably a lot more of his kind in the draft. Stay away from talent. Guys that are desperate to be in the league and will comply to any ish you throw at them is the way to go.Paris907 wrote:Here's my 2 cents. Phil is trying to build a culture of team ball. Porzingis adolescent tantrum was generated in part by Melo. Dolan can pay off Melo and Phil says good riddance. KP has to understand that this just business and
Not dealing with the boss Ain't cool and neither were his brothers comments to management... "despite how management treats its players"...Thus rather than let a 21 year old dictate, get your picks and either KP wakes up or he and Melo can pack and we will get plenty for KP and upgrade our # 8. Fox and Tatum sound good along with Billy. I like KP a lot but you don't push your boss around in the press and he's been disrespectful to the franchise.
Ive seen more adolescent behavior from mgmt this season than from the 21 year old.
I say cut them all - Melo, KP, Willy. Pay them double salary to stay off the floor. Maybe cut a massive deal with Marbles, and pay the Chinese to accept them all there. Then make Noah player/coach, with Rambo as his defensive Triangularity assistant. Case closed.
Nalod wrote:Melo is culpable as it was him that signed with knicks and Phil and fully knew the culture of ball movement was coming.
He is on record of saying he'd sacrifice his game for the greater good of the team.
Lets not just pretend Melo is some innocent victim of Zen Malpractice or fraud.
Your RIght. What an asshole Melo was for getting market pay for his level of NBA player. He should be sued. Same thing with KP. He should have known what a clown fuck this organazation was and that Phil was bat crazy. Its his fault for agreeing to be drafted by the Knicks.
Think we should just buy out Melo, Lee, Noah, LT and Oakley. Trade WIlly, KO, Kuz and the security guard at the Garden. All I need is Phil and the promise of what he can accomplish in 2 years. I mean, whats the chances he changes his mind yet again?
In Phil we trust!
Watch him trade KP to move up for third pick and choose FRANK! Think its time to get the tar and feathers ready.
CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Willy liked Melo's tweet. I smell a malcontent. Move him or he gets with the program. No way you can bring in Josh Jackson despite his tremendous talent. He is passionate and wants to win and might speak up about f'd up stuff that isn't a part of winning. Probably a lot more of his kind in the draft. Stay away from talent. Guys that are desperate to be in the league and will comply to any ish you throw at them is the way to go.Paris907 wrote:Here's my 2 cents. Phil is trying to build a culture of team ball. Porzingis adolescent tantrum was generated in part by Melo. Dolan can pay off Melo and Phil says good riddance. KP has to understand that this just business and
Not dealing with the boss Ain't cool and neither were his brothers comments to management... "despite how management treats its players"...Thus rather than let a 21 year old dictate, get your picks and either KP wakes up or he and Melo can pack and we will get plenty for KP and upgrade our # 8. Fox and Tatum sound good along with Billy. I like KP a lot but you don't push your boss around in the press and he's been disrespectful to the franchise.
Ive seen more adolescent behavior from mgmt this season than from the 21 year old.
OK LET'S CUT THE BS!!! Phil, Jeff and the Staff TELL the players what to do and not the other way around! All they asked is for the players to Give Max Effort and Execute what they were coached to do. This isn't a Democracy. It's a team with a Head Coach and he tells the F'n players what to do. The Players should bust their asses trying to get it done.
So what is the big crime that Phil and Jeff committed that these Vets rebelled against? BALL AND PLAYER MOVEMENT!!! GTFOH! I'm so tired of this BS. Phil is not the damn problem! Look no further than the players on the court that didn't run back on D or pass the damned ball or cut with real purpose! These players are paid MILLIONS to play and all they have to do is GIVE A DAMN. JESUS!
Phil had every right to be pissed at Melo for his lack of loyalty. Phil gave him everything he wanted in his contract and Melo gave his word he'd BUY IN. Phil didn't say a word at that Team Meeting early in the season and Melo was all happy about that in the press but Phil i'm sure felt betrayed. Melo's power play is NOT what this team needed.
nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Willy liked Melo's tweet. I smell a malcontent. Move him or he gets with the program. No way you can bring in Josh Jackson despite his tremendous talent. He is passionate and wants to win and might speak up about f'd up stuff that isn't a part of winning. Probably a lot more of his kind in the draft. Stay away from talent. Guys that are desperate to be in the league and will comply to any ish you throw at them is the way to go.Paris907 wrote:Here's my 2 cents. Phil is trying to build a culture of team ball. Porzingis adolescent tantrum was generated in part by Melo. Dolan can pay off Melo and Phil says good riddance. KP has to understand that this just business and
Not dealing with the boss Ain't cool and neither were his brothers comments to management... "despite how management treats its players"...Thus rather than let a 21 year old dictate, get your picks and either KP wakes up or he and Melo can pack and we will get plenty for KP and upgrade our # 8. Fox and Tatum sound good along with Billy. I like KP a lot but you don't push your boss around in the press and he's been disrespectful to the franchise.
Ive seen more adolescent behavior from mgmt this season than from the 21 year old.
OK LET'S CUT THE BS!!! Phil, Jeff and the Staff TELL the players what to do and not the other way around! All they asked is for the players to Give Max Effort and Execute what they were coached to do. This isn't a Democracy. It's a team with a Head Coach and he tells the F'n players what to do. The Players should bust their asses trying to get it done.So what is the big crime that Phil and Jeff committed that these Vets rebelled against? BALL AND PLAYER MOVEMENT!!! GTFOH! I'm so tired of this BS. Phil is not the damn problem! Look no further than the players on the court that didn't run back on D or pass the damned ball or cut with real purpose! These players are paid MILLIONS to play and all they have to do is GIVE A DAMN. JESUS!
Phil had every right to be pissed at Melo for his lack of loyalty. Phil gave him everything he wanted in his contract and Melo gave his word he'd BUY IN. Phil didn't say a word at that Team Meeting early in the season and Melo was all happy about that in the press but Phil i'm sure felt betrayed. Melo's power play is NOT what this team needed.
Bingo!
Therein lies the rub. Our best or highest paid players played laxidasical defense, threw soft passes, and chucked shot. They also often took contested shots when other teammates were wide, wide open. They were not leading by example, and they hated getting called out on it.
Listen, if Melo and Rose set good examples of play and our record still sucked, fans would be feeling very differently and more heartedly questioning Phil, the system, and the direction of the team
But when the plan sounds good, has worked in the past, and the players are loafing for all to see, they deserve blame from the team and the fans. This is why Melo gets such a reaction. If he were KG where you you felt he's still giving you everthing he had (not taking plays off) people would have a much different perception of the system
Vmart wrote:Man Steven A has gone bonkers, he is saying KP put the rumors out to get Phil out. Steven A is seriously a Melo puppet. Speculation journalism at its best.Who is giving the insider information to the guy that covers te Suns?
nixluva wrote:OK LET'S CUT THE BS!!! Phil, Jeff and the Staff TELL the players what to do and not the other way around! All they asked is for the players to Give Max Effort and Execute what they were coached to do. This isn't a Democracy. It's a team with a Head Coach and he tells the F'n players what to do. The Players should bust their asses trying to get it done.So what is the big crime that Phil and Jeff committed that these Vets rebelled against? BALL AND PLAYER MOVEMENT!!! GTFOH! I'm so tired of this BS. Phil is not the damn problem! Look no further than the players on the court that didn't run back on D or pass the damned ball or cut with real purpose! These players are paid MILLIONS to play and all they have to do is GIVE A DAMN. JESUS!
Phil had every right to be pissed at Melo for his lack of loyalty. Phil gave him everything he wanted in his contract and Melo gave his word he'd BUY IN. Phil didn't say a word at that Team Meeting early in the season and Melo was all happy about that in the press but Phil i'm sure felt betrayed. Melo's power play is NOT what this team needed.
Amen. Amen.
CrushAlot wrote:Vmart wrote:Man Steven A has gone bonkers, he is saying KP put the rumors out to get Phil out. Steven A is seriously a Melo puppet. Speculation journalism at its best.Who is giving the insider information to the guy that covers te Suns?
Let me guess you think it's KP.
Vmart wrote:No. I think it is someone on staff in Phoenix.CrushAlot wrote:Vmart wrote:Man Steven A has gone bonkers, he is saying KP put the rumors out to get Phil out. Steven A is seriously a Melo puppet. Speculation journalism at its best.Who is giving the insider information to the guy that covers te Suns?Let me guess you think it's KP.