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Because no moment of NBA chaos would be complete without a submission from the New York Knicks, Adrian Wojnarowski of The Vertical reported during a very busy Tuesday that Knicks president Phil Jackson “is weighing the possibility of trading” third-year big man Kristaps Porzingis. This, understandably, inspired both “a frenzy of suitors across the NBA” and widespread feelings of dread and fatalism among Knicks fandom.

As it turns out, 7-foot dudes who can hit 36 percent of their threes, create something off the dribble and rank among the league’s most effective rim protectors are pretty popular, both among their teams’ supporters and NBA talent evaluators! (That’s because there are maybe a half-dozen of them in the league.) Hall of Famer and TNT analyst Shaquille O’Neal told TMZ he thinks the Knicks would be better off keeping Porzingis and trading “everybody else around him” than flipping KP; I don’t often agree with the Big Fundamental these days, but this seems like wise counsel.
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Just how seriously the Zen Master is “weighing the possibility” remains unclear. As Tuesday wore on, multiple reports suggested that the Knicks were less “shopping” the 21-year-old Latvian than taking calls from teams inquiring about what it would take to get him.

Such willingness to listen is very much in keeping with Jackson’s season-ending insistence that, after a fourth straight sub-.500 campaign, nobody — not even 2015’s No. 4 overall pick, who’s been the lone bright spot and sole source of hope for the Knicks and their fans during the last two dark years — is untouchable. Especially after Porzingis decided not to show up for his year-end exit interview with Jackson and general manager Steve Mills back in April, reportedly as a statement of his frustration with the “top to bottom” confusion that continued to derail the Knicks’ efforts to even approach competence. (Same as it ever was.)

Whatever the intent behind their publication, the optics surrounding Porzingis becoming trade bait sure don’t seem helpful to the Knicks. The ongoing sowing of strife between the organization and its one legitimate potential cornerstone seems, at best, unnecessary and unproductive. That’s certainly how Porzingis’ brother/representative sees it, anyway. From Frank Isola of the New York Daily News:

You want to say Porzingis was out of order by electing not to meet with his bosses two months ago, that’s fine. He does have an obligation to his employer. But insubordinate behavior aside, Porzingis also pulled back the curtain on a lost franchise that hasn’t improved one bit under Jackson’s stewardship. The Knicks are upset and embarrassed that Porzingis called them out.

The exit meeting snub was a costly decision. Porzingis’s favorite assistant coach, Josh Longstaff, lost his job and it could lead to Porzingis being exiled from New York, although the Knicks’ asking price may ultimately be too high.

“All I will tell you is that Kris has said that he knows that all the work he is putting in will pay off somewhere,” Kristaps’ brother, Janis, told the Daily News over the phone on Tuesday. “He is working out five hours a day. He looks good. But this other stuff all seems unnecessary.”

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And from ESPN’s Ian Begley:

Neither the organization’s front office nor coach Jeff Hornacek has been in touch with Porzingis since he missed the exit meeting, per sources. Hornacek said last month that he reached out to Porzingis but indicated that Porzingis did not respond.

Porzingis’ brother, Janis — who also works for Andy Miller, Porzingis’ primary agent — reiterated Tuesday that Porzingis loves New York and wants to win there.

“Despite how the Knicks are treating their players, Kris wants to stay in New York,” Janis Porzingis said. “He loves the city and he loves the fans and he wants to win with this team. If he’s going to be traded, he’s going to play out his contact and decide his future on his own.”

Maybe Jackson is just doing his due diligence, taking advantage of the fact that high-level prospects like Arizona stretch big man Lauri Markkanen are descending on New York for Thursday’s NBA draft so he can get a better sense of what they’re about and what they can do in case their paths wind up crossing again down the line. Maybe he should be commended rather than vilified for being willing to listen to all proposals, even for his team’s most prized possession, in the event that one of them winds up being the kind of Godfather deal that can at long last turn one of the NBA’s most moribund franchises around and get them pointed toward perpetual prosperity.

Maybe, though, all Jackson’s doing by having this all come out in the street two days before the draft — and after many months of public warfare with Carmelo Anthony, and after the debacle surrounding Derrick Rose’s midseason disappearing act, and the ludicrous fiasco of having franchise legend Charles Oakley arrested, hauled out of Madison Square Garden and subsequently charged with harassment, assault and trespassing — is alienating both his team’s most valuable asset and those who might have been convinced to join Porzingis in Manhattan. From Sean Deveney of the Sporting News:

“I was talking to one of our players the other day, a free agent, and we were looking at our options,” one agent said. “And it used to be, ‘Yeah, get me to New York.’ Even when they were struggling, there are guys who want to be in the city. But he was saying, ‘no, no, not that environment, not now.’ They’re not just alienating their own players, they’re alienating all players. They’re making things hard on themselves there.” […]

“There are 30 teams, and you don’t want to write off anybody, because there’s only so many rotation spots around the league,” another agent said. “But of course you’d have to be worried about sending a guy to New York with this front office, especially an upper-level guy. Because he might be doing what he can to help and you might have the team president there ripping him in the media like it’s his fault or putting him in trade rumors.

“No one wants that. You have to be concerned about that.”

“Concern,” as ever, seems to be the order of the day at MSG.

“The front office is in full survivor mode,” a team source told Isola of the Daily News. “The place is a mess, so now they want to make it seem like the kid is the problem. Suddenly he’s uncoachable. He won’t listen. They’re trying to put it all on him.”

So Porzingis stays overseas, working out and letting all the “unnecessary” nonsense continue while he waits to see whether he’s actually going to be back in New York come September. And the Knicks, remarkably, continue to abstain from contact with their most important player, and let the calls come in.

For most teams in the lottery, the eve of the NBA draft is when hope springs eternal for a brighter future. Not for the Knicks, though. Hope might be the thing with feathers, but in New York, the things with feathers often perch on telephone wires and crap on your head on your way to work.

Let's be honest a good percentage of the reputation the Knicks have comes from the Media. ESPN and guys like Woj and Isola constantly put out hit pieces! They feign impartial fairness but really when you look at what they write and say it's always tinged with snarky jokes and over the top negative statements. Not to mention unconfirmable SOURCES. SMDH.

I only like the unconfirmed sources that confirm my bias.

They claimed Nitty wanted to get drafted by Dallas and the first thing Nitty said getting off the plane was that it wasn't true. Plenty happy with a NY cap.

I think this is spot on because yes, so much of this stuff is over dramatized. Thats how it goes round these parts. However there is clearly a culture problem as well. That points to Phil? He's only been here a couple years and what has changed since he's been here?

It will be the same as when the Knicks fired that assistant coach. Sensationslize as much as possible in order to paint Phil in a certain light. Use that to take as many shots at him as possible. Then the Knicks don't trade KP and the truth comes out that Phil was never interested in trading KP unless for a total fleecing type of deal. And then nobody takes accountability for pushing false narratives. Rinse and repeat.

“I was talking to one of our players the other day, a free agent, and we were looking at our options,” one agent said. “And it used to be, ‘Yeah, get me to New York.’ Even when they were struggling, there are guys who want to be in the city. But he was saying, ‘no, no, not that environment, not now.’ They’re not just alienating their own players, they’re alienating all players. They’re making things hard on themselves there.” […]

This is coming from a player, not the media...The negative perception is out there....

nixluva wrote:Let's be honest a good percentage of the reputation the Knicks have comes from the Media. ESPN and guys like Woj and Isola constantly put out hit pieces! They feign impartial fairness but really when you look at what they write and say it's always tinged with snarky jokes and over the top negative statements. Not to mention unconfirmable SOURCES. SMDH.

I agree with you the NY media is trash. Isola is the biggest douche bag there is, every time I watch ESPN and he shows up I change the channel because he brings nothing to the table. All because he was excluded from Phil joining the Knicks and he has the gall to use words like vendetta. The man should look in the mirror and see who has the vendetta.

Until a trade goes down it's all fake news.

Uptown wrote:

“I was talking to one of our players the other day, a free agent, and we were looking at our options,” one agent said. “And it used to be, ‘Yeah, get me to New York.’ Even when they were struggling, there are guys who want to be in the city. But he was saying, ‘no, no, not that environment, not now.’ They’re not just alienating their own players, they’re alienating all players. They’re making things hard on themselves there.” […]

This is coming from a player, not the media...The negative perception is out there....

And yet when we had cap space for the first time in like 12 yrs under Walsh. We had to give Amare 100mil to come. We used to get used by every potential FA to up their market price. Players interest in NY wasnt to come to NY to win first and foremost. But to increasee their brand and enjoy the city life. Rasheed Wallace was the only player willing to take less to come to NY until Detroit stole him from us.

Uptown wrote:

“I was talking to one of our players the other day, a free agent, and we were looking at our options,” one agent said. “And it used to be, ‘Yeah, get me to New York.’ Even when they were struggling, there are guys who want to be in the city. But he was saying, ‘no, no, not that environment, not now.’ They’re not just alienating their own players, they’re alienating all players. They’re making things hard on themselves there.” […]

This is coming from a player, not the media...The negative perception is out there....

Negative perception is there, no doubt. Hiring a big name probably impacts this the most. People were waiting for Phil to fail because of his presence and stubbornness and were going to jump all over it. That is happening now. I guess hiring no-named successful NBA front office personnel who have moved up the ranks would improve this area, and thus, improve the culture. Phil will be gone in 2 years most likely, so only time will tell.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Uptown wrote:

“I was talking to one of our players the other day, a free agent, and we were looking at our options,” one agent said. “And it used to be, ‘Yeah, get me to New York.’ Even when they were struggling, there are guys who want to be in the city. But he was saying, ‘no, no, not that environment, not now.’ They’re not just alienating their own players, they’re alienating all players. They’re making things hard on themselves there.” […]

This is coming from a player, not the media...The negative perception is out there....

And yet when we had cap space for the first time in like 12 yrs under Walsh. We had to give Amare 100mil to come. We used to get used by every potential FA to up their market price. Players interest in NY wasnt to come to NY to win first and foremost. But to increasee their brand and enjoy the city life. Rasheed Wallace was the only player willing to take less to come to NY until Detroit stole him from us.

We have been in dysfunction since the Isiah years....the problem is Phil came here with the promise of creating a professional/winning culture. Instead its just as bad, perception wise, if not worse. Its ironic because before Phil was hired, he used to take digs at the franchise from a afar because of our previous dysfunction, and who can forget, calling our roster clumsy...

How long has philly been bad? Two years ago they were a joke after Noel and Embiid were out. Now they are ready to be a top team.

The Knicks have been bad but have not yet torn it down. The trade of Melo is the start of that. KP can be a piece of the future and I HOPE he is.

" Trust the process. "

This was made fun of for years. No one is laughing now.

Trust in Phil - lets see where NY is after the rebuild.

I had not seen this quote from Janis before. I remember the last part where he said KP would not resign with the team he s traded to.

Porzingis’ brother, Janis — who also works for Andy Miller, Porzingis’ primary agent — reiterated Tuesday that Porzingis loves New York and wants to win there.
“Despite how the Knicks are treating their players, Kris wants to stay in New York,” Janis Porzingis said.

CrushAlot wrote:I had not seen this quote from Janis before. I remember the last part where he said KP would not resign with the team he s traded to.

Porzingis’ brother, Janis — who also works for Andy Miller, Porzingis’ primary agent — reiterated Tuesday that Porzingis loves New York and wants to win there.
“Despite how the Knicks are treating their players, Kris wants to stay in New York,” Janis Porzingis said.

I mentioned this quote in the KP instagram thread....The fact that Janis is pointing out that the Knicks mistreat their players, should prove that dysfunction is more than just perception. Its real. to what extent, is the question. He has more insight to the behind the scenes dealings than anyone on this board would...No?

Uptown wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Uptown wrote:

“I was talking to one of our players the other day, a free agent, and we were looking at our options,” one agent said. “And it used to be, ‘Yeah, get me to New York.’ Even when they were struggling, there are guys who want to be in the city. But he was saying, ‘no, no, not that environment, not now.’ They’re not just alienating their own players, they’re alienating all players. They’re making things hard on themselves there.” […]

This is coming from a player, not the media...The negative perception is out there....

And yet when we had cap space for the first time in like 12 yrs under Walsh. We had to give Amare 100mil to come. We used to get used by every potential FA to up their market price. Players interest in NY wasnt to come to NY to win first and foremost. But to increasee their brand and enjoy the city life. Rasheed Wallace was the only player willing to take less to come to NY until Detroit stole him from us.

We have been in dysfunction since the Isiah years....the problem is Phil came here with the promise of creating a professional/winning culture. Instead its just as bad, perception wise, if not worse. Its ironic because before Phil was hired, he used to take digs at the franchise from a afar because of our previous dysfunction, and who can forget, calling our roster clumsy...

Seems to me the only way for Phil to not look dysfunctional is to let his players do what ever they want so they are happy. And allow media wigs all the access possible to boost their careers and earnings. Or they will sabotage in order to get what they want which only benifits them and mot the Knicks.

CrushAlot wrote:I had not seen this quote from Janis before. I remember the last part where he said KP would not resign with the team he s traded to.

Porzingis’ brother, Janis — who also works for Andy Miller, Porzingis’ primary agent — reiterated Tuesday that Porzingis loves New York and wants to win there.
“Despite how the Knicks are treating their players, Kris wants to stay in New York,” Janis Porzingis said.

They are letting everyone know this is about Phil, not the knicks. I am positive they are trying to make things tougher for Phil and going to wait the 2 years out. KP knows he will outlive Phil in NY.

From KP's interview in Latvia (Sunday?).

“Nobody from the Knicks will be there [working me out],” Porzingis said. “You see what happened to Josh Longstaff [the Knicks assistant whose contract was not renewed]. But I will have my physiotherapist.’’

http://nypost.com/2017/06/21/kristaps-po...

what ever it is, lets hope the knicks fix it.
What in the world is going on that is so bad?

Players said "get me there"? Did they come? Nope.
Now is the time for opportunity. One day we'll get this right. We alienated JR? He kinda alienated himself. Shump? Same.
Who? We asking too much mentally of these guys?

fishmike wrote:I think this is spot on because yes, so much of this stuff is over dramatized. Thats how it goes round these parts. However there is clearly a culture problem as well. That points to Phil? He's only been here a couple years and what has changed since he's been here?

He has signed or drafted every player on the roster. The coaching staff, aside from the associate head coach as been turned over during Phil's tenure. The roster turnover has been second highest in the league for the past several years.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Uptown wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Uptown wrote:

“I was talking to one of our players the other day, a free agent, and we were looking at our options,” one agent said. “And it used to be, ‘Yeah, get me to New York.’ Even when they were struggling, there are guys who want to be in the city. But he was saying, ‘no, no, not that environment, not now.’ They’re not just alienating their own players, they’re alienating all players. They’re making things hard on themselves there.” […]

This is coming from a player, not the media...The negative perception is out there....

And yet when we had cap space for the first time in like 12 yrs under Walsh. We had to give Amare 100mil to come. We used to get used by every potential FA to up their market price. Players interest in NY wasnt to come to NY to win first and foremost. But to increasee their brand and enjoy the city life. Rasheed Wallace was the only player willing to take less to come to NY until Detroit stole him from us.

We have been in dysfunction since the Isiah years....the problem is Phil came here with the promise of creating a professional/winning culture. Instead its just as bad, perception wise, if not worse. Its ironic because before Phil was hired, he used to take digs at the franchise from a afar because of our previous dysfunction, and who can forget, calling our roster clumsy...

Seems to me the only way for Phil to not look dysfunctional is to let his players do what ever they want so they are happy. And allow media wigs all the access possible to boost their careers and earnings. Or they will sabotage in order to get what they want which only benifits them and mot the Knicks.

Exaggerate much? First and foremost, for Phil not to look dysfunctional, how about we win some games...80-166 gets you fired by most owners not named Dolan.

Uptown wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Uptown wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Uptown wrote:

“I was talking to one of our players the other day, a free agent, and we were looking at our options,” one agent said. “And it used to be, ‘Yeah, get me to New York.’ Even when they were struggling, there are guys who want to be in the city. But he was saying, ‘no, no, not that environment, not now.’ They’re not just alienating their own players, they’re alienating all players. They’re making things hard on themselves there.” […]

This is coming from a player, not the media...The negative perception is out there....

And yet when we had cap space for the first time in like 12 yrs under Walsh. We had to give Amare 100mil to come. We used to get used by every potential FA to up their market price. Players interest in NY wasnt to come to NY to win first and foremost. But to increasee their brand and enjoy the city life. Rasheed Wallace was the only player willing to take less to come to NY until Detroit stole him from us.

We have been in dysfunction since the Isiah years....the problem is Phil came here with the promise of creating a professional/winning culture. Instead its just as bad, perception wise, if not worse. Its ironic because before Phil was hired, he used to take digs at the franchise from a afar because of our previous dysfunction, and who can forget, calling our roster clumsy...

Seems to me the only way for Phil to not look dysfunctional is to let his players do what ever they want so they are happy. And allow media wigs all the access possible to boost their careers and earnings. Or they will sabotage in order to get what they want which only benifits them and mot the Knicks.

Exaggerate much? First and foremost, for Phil not to look dysfunctional, how about we win some games...80-166 gets you fired by most owners not named Dolan.

And how do you win games in this league. Defense, ball movement, spacing. Yet when he calls out players for lack of ball movement he is picking on them and not treating them right.