Kp traded for a young player, 2018 pick and a future pick...
Melo bought out...
Then whoever we draft, trade for and sign rally together, make the playoffs and get into the 2nd round or even the eastern conference finals....
Why do i want this? Because fans and people that don't even follow the nba have huge opinions on the Knicks and how stupid they are. They need to see Melo given away... they need to see the unicorn go to another team. They need to get all the hate out of their systems. Flame out on the Knicks... then look on as the Pheonix rises from the ashes and nobody can say thet were down with the knicks through all of this. I feel like this needs to happen
EnySpree wrote:Kp traded for a young player, 2018 pick and a future pick...Melo bought out...
Then whoever we draft, trade for and sign rally together, make the playoffs and get into the 2nd round or even the eastern conference finals....
Why do i want this? Because fans and people that don't even follow the nba have huge opinions on the Knicks and how stupid they are. They need to see Melo given away... they need to see the unicorn go to another team. They need to get all the hate out of their systems. Flame out on the Knicks... then look on as the Pheonix rises from the ashes and nobody can say thet were down with the knicks through all of this. I feel like this needs to happen
Can't say I can even follow this...
Knickoftime wrote:EnySpree wrote:Kp traded for a young player, 2018 pick and a future pick...Melo bought out...
Then whoever we draft, trade for and sign rally together, make the playoffs and get into the 2nd round or even the eastern conference finals....
Why do i want this? Because fans and people that don't even follow the nba have huge opinions on the Knicks and how stupid they are. They need to see Melo given away... they need to see the unicorn go to another team. They need to get all the hate out of their systems. Flame out on the Knicks... then look on as the Pheonix rises from the ashes and nobody can say thet were down with the knicks through all of this. I feel like this needs to happen
Can't say I can even follow this...
If all of this happens, Knicks fans will get the hate out of their systems and become more rationale beings!
EnySpree wrote:Kp traded for a young player, 2018 pick and a future pick...Melo bought out...
Then whoever we draft, trade for and sign rally together, make the playoffs and get into the 2nd round or even the eastern conference finals....
Why do i want this? Because fans and people that don't even follow the nba have huge opinions on the Knicks and how stupid they are. They need to see Melo given away... they need to see the unicorn go to another team. They need to get all the hate out of their systems. Flame out on the Knicks... then look on as the Pheonix rises from the ashes and nobody can say thet were down with the knicks through all of this. I feel like this needs to happen
Step back from the edge sir...
This will be over soon.
Knick fans deserve better. They deserve to have Dolan wake up, and decide to sell the team.
They deserve new ownership that knows what they are doing, and they deserve a new front office that will come in, and not turn over the roster every year, alienate our players, develop them, keep draft picks and rebuild the right way.
They deserve a front office that doesn't hand out NTCs and then cry about it, and attacks the player they gave it to.
They deserve a front office that doesn't force a system on its coach like every other franchise in the entire world of professional sports!
We deserve a front office that doesn't hide behind cryptic tweats.
We deserve a front office that makes smart moves.
We don't deserve any of this going on right now.
Since pretty much 99 this franchise has been, in different ways, a joke.
I can't believe I miss a gimpy Allan Houston and Don Chaney- a team that at least tried.
I've seen so many people give awful assessments of Phil Jackson saying we're in a worse position than before he came. Anyone who says anything like this shows their ignorance.
We haven't traded draft picks away in years and we've acquired young talent.
Now go back and look what Phil inherited.
Don't talk to me about Noah's contract because what else are we going to use capspace for anyway during a rebuild. And name me one GM that's been going for 3 years that has given out only cost effective contracts.
Sinix wrote:I've seen so many people give awful assessments of Phil Jackson saying we're in a worse position than before he came. Anyone who says anything like this shows their ignorance.We haven't traded draft picks away in years and we've acquired young talent.
Now go back and look what Phil inherited.
Don't talk to me about Noah's contract because what else are we going to use capspace for anyway during a rebuild. And name me one GM that's been going for 3 years that has given out only cost effective contracts.
He drafts the player first and then trades the guy. That's much better!
Sinix wrote:I've seen so many people give awful assessments of Phil Jackson saying we're in a worse position than before he came. Anyone who says anything like this shows their ignorance.We haven't traded draft picks away in years and we've acquired young talent.
Now go back and look what Phil inherited.
Don't talk to me about Noah's contract because what else are we going to use capspace for anyway during a rebuild. And name me one GM that's been going for 3 years that has given out only cost effective contracts.
You've called me ignorant.
The reality is we have different opinions.
Now, you're stupid for rolling out Noah and that lame ass justification.
NOAH was a god awful contract to give out. I didn't need hindsight to realize giving a 4 year contract to a player over 30 with the mileage on his body and the recent injury history was stupid.
You know what you use that capspace for during a rebuild?
You take on talent and draft picks from teams looking to clear space:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246...
Now, I may be ignorant, but if you think you can justify Noah's deal like that, you're stupid.
franco12 wrote:Sinix wrote:I've seen so many people give awful assessments of Phil Jackson saying we're in a worse position than before he came. Anyone who says anything like this shows their ignorance.We haven't traded draft picks away in years and we've acquired young talent.
Now go back and look what Phil inherited.
Don't talk to me about Noah's contract because what else are we going to use capspace for anyway during a rebuild. And name me one GM that's been going for 3 years that has given out only cost effective contracts.
You've called me ignorant.
The reality is we have different opinions.
Now, you're stupid for rolling out Noah and that lame ass justification.
NOAH was a god awful contract to give out. I didn't need hindsight to realize giving a 4 year contract to a player over 30 with the mileage on his body and the recent injury history was stupid.
You know what you use that capspace for during a rebuild?
You take on talent and draft picks from teams looking to clear space:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246...
Now, I may be ignorant, but if you think you can justify Noah's deal like that, you're stupid.
Every one of Phil's major FA signings was clearly bad with foresight not just in hindsight. Obviously the people who didn't realize they were bad decisions at the time don't realize now that they were bad with foresight.
Bonn1997 wrote:franco12 wrote:Sinix wrote:I've seen so many people give awful assessments of Phil Jackson saying we're in a worse position than before he came. Anyone who says anything like this shows their ignorance.We haven't traded draft picks away in years and we've acquired young talent.
Now go back and look what Phil inherited.
Don't talk to me about Noah's contract because what else are we going to use capspace for anyway during a rebuild. And name me one GM that's been going for 3 years that has given out only cost effective contracts.
You've called me ignorant.
The reality is we have different opinions.
Now, you're stupid for rolling out Noah and that lame ass justification.
NOAH was a god awful contract to give out. I didn't need hindsight to realize giving a 4 year contract to a player over 30 with the mileage on his body and the recent injury history was stupid.
You know what you use that capspace for during a rebuild?
You take on talent and draft picks from teams looking to clear space:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246...
Now, I may be ignorant, but if you think you can justify Noah's deal like that, you're stupid.
Every one of Phil's major FA signings was clearly bad with foresight not just in hindsight. Obviously the people who didn't realize they were bad decisions at the time don't realize now that they were bad with foresight.
Robin Lopez wasn't a bad signing. Turned out to be a great one that turned awful when he dealt it.
franco12 wrote:Sinix wrote:I've seen so many people give awful assessments of Phil Jackson saying we're in a worse position than before he came. Anyone who says anything like this shows their ignorance.We haven't traded draft picks away in years and we've acquired young talent.
Now go back and look what Phil inherited.
Don't talk to me about Noah's contract because what else are we going to use capspace for anyway during a rebuild. And name me one GM that's been going for 3 years that has given out only cost effective contracts.
You've called me ignorant.
The reality is we have different opinions.
Now, you're stupid for rolling out Noah and that lame ass justification.
NOAH was a god awful contract to give out. I didn't need hindsight to realize giving a 4 year contract to a player over 30 with the mileage on his body and the recent injury history was stupid.
You know what you use that capspace for during a rebuild?
You take on talent and draft picks from teams looking to clear space:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246...
Now, I may be ignorant, but if you think you can justify Noah's deal like that, you're stupid.
No one is going to say the Noah deal was a good one.
I'd argue it's not going to hurt the Knicks that much.
Is the Knicks capspace full that they can't pull off deals?
franco12 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:franco12 wrote:Sinix wrote:I've seen so many people give awful assessments of Phil Jackson saying we're in a worse position than before he came. Anyone who says anything like this shows their ignorance.We haven't traded draft picks away in years and we've acquired young talent.
Now go back and look what Phil inherited.
Don't talk to me about Noah's contract because what else are we going to use capspace for anyway during a rebuild. And name me one GM that's been going for 3 years that has given out only cost effective contracts.
You've called me ignorant.
The reality is we have different opinions.
Now, you're stupid for rolling out Noah and that lame ass justification.
NOAH was a god awful contract to give out. I didn't need hindsight to realize giving a 4 year contract to a player over 30 with the mileage on his body and the recent injury history was stupid.
You know what you use that capspace for during a rebuild?
You take on talent and draft picks from teams looking to clear space:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246...
Now, I may be ignorant, but if you think you can justify Noah's deal like that, you're stupid.
Every one of Phil's major FA signings was clearly bad with foresight not just in hindsight. Obviously the people who didn't realize they were bad decisions at the time don't realize now that they were bad with foresight.
Robin Lopez wasn't a bad signing. Turned out to be a great one that turned awful when he dealt it.
You're right. I meant the signings that are still on the team.
Bonn1997 wrote:franco12 wrote:Sinix wrote:I've seen so many people give awful assessments of Phil Jackson saying we're in a worse position than before he came. Anyone who says anything like this shows their ignorance.We haven't traded draft picks away in years and we've acquired young talent.
Now go back and look what Phil inherited.
Don't talk to me about Noah's contract because what else are we going to use capspace for anyway during a rebuild. And name me one GM that's been going for 3 years that has given out only cost effective contracts.
You've called me ignorant.
The reality is we have different opinions.
Now, you're stupid for rolling out Noah and that lame ass justification.
NOAH was a god awful contract to give out. I didn't need hindsight to realize giving a 4 year contract to a player over 30 with the mileage on his body and the recent injury history was stupid.
You know what you use that capspace for during a rebuild?
You take on talent and draft picks from teams looking to clear space:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246...
Now, I may be ignorant, but if you think you can justify Noah's deal like that, you're stupid.
Every one of Phil's major FA signings was clearly bad with foresight not just in hindsight. Obviously the people who didn't realize they were bad decisions at the time don't realize now that they were bad with foresight.
Not really.
The Noah contract is the only one that has any sort of a negative consequence and even then it's not going to effect the Knicks that much during a rebuild.
Teams that need to be concerned with their cap are ones like the Cavs or Warriors.
Knicks aren't looking to make the one last signing to get over the hump.
Bonn1997 wrote:franco12 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:franco12 wrote:Sinix wrote:I've seen so many people give awful assessments of Phil Jackson saying we're in a worse position than before he came. Anyone who says anything like this shows their ignorance.We haven't traded draft picks away in years and we've acquired young talent.
Now go back and look what Phil inherited.
Don't talk to me about Noah's contract because what else are we going to use capspace for anyway during a rebuild. And name me one GM that's been going for 3 years that has given out only cost effective contracts.
You've called me ignorant.
The reality is we have different opinions.
Now, you're stupid for rolling out Noah and that lame ass justification.
NOAH was a god awful contract to give out. I didn't need hindsight to realize giving a 4 year contract to a player over 30 with the mileage on his body and the recent injury history was stupid.
You know what you use that capspace for during a rebuild?
You take on talent and draft picks from teams looking to clear space:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246...
Now, I may be ignorant, but if you think you can justify Noah's deal like that, you're stupid.
Every one of Phil's major FA signings was clearly bad with foresight not just in hindsight. Obviously the people who didn't realize they were bad decisions at the time don't realize now that they were bad with foresight.
Robin Lopez wasn't a bad signing. Turned out to be a great one that turned awful when he dealt it.
You're right. I meant the signings that are still on the team.
Well - we can also debate Courtney Lee. And Kyle O'Quinn is a solid signing.
A few of his deals worked. Derrick Williams, Aaron Afflao- decent contracts that helped us a bit.
Bonn1997 wrote:Sinix wrote:I've seen so many people give awful assessments of Phil Jackson saying we're in a worse position than before he came. Anyone who says anything like this shows their ignorance.We haven't traded draft picks away in years and we've acquired young talent.
Now go back and look what Phil inherited.
Don't talk to me about Noah's contract because what else are we going to use capspace for anyway during a rebuild. And name me one GM that's been going for 3 years that has given out only cost effective contracts.
He drafts the player first and then trades the guy. That's much better!
Explain to me why it's a bad thing to remain flexible with your assets in a league where assets are largely liquid.
franco12 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:franco12 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:franco12 wrote:Sinix wrote:I've seen so many people give awful assessments of Phil Jackson saying we're in a worse position than before he came. Anyone who says anything like this shows their ignorance.We haven't traded draft picks away in years and we've acquired young talent.
Now go back and look what Phil inherited.
Don't talk to me about Noah's contract because what else are we going to use capspace for anyway during a rebuild. And name me one GM that's been going for 3 years that has given out only cost effective contracts.
You've called me ignorant.
The reality is we have different opinions.
Now, you're stupid for rolling out Noah and that lame ass justification.
NOAH was a god awful contract to give out. I didn't need hindsight to realize giving a 4 year contract to a player over 30 with the mileage on his body and the recent injury history was stupid.
You know what you use that capspace for during a rebuild?
You take on talent and draft picks from teams looking to clear space:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246...
Now, I may be ignorant, but if you think you can justify Noah's deal like that, you're stupid.
Every one of Phil's major FA signings was clearly bad with foresight not just in hindsight. Obviously the people who didn't realize they were bad decisions at the time don't realize now that they were bad with foresight.
Robin Lopez wasn't a bad signing. Turned out to be a great one that turned awful when he dealt it.
You're right. I meant the signings that are still on the team.
Well - we can also debate Courtney Lee. And Kyle O'Quinn is a solid signing.
A few of his deals worked. Derrick Williams, Aaron Afflao- decent contracts that helped us a bit.
We could debate Lee, though I doubt it would change my view. I do consider it his least bad signing. I wasn't counting KOQ as a major signing but I do think that was a good, small deal.
The only thing Phil has had to do to be a success here is not squander assets by trading away draft picks or drafting poorly.
Phil has drafted well and he has retained our draft picks and thus future flexibility.
Anything is window dressing.
Sinix wrote:I've seen so many people give awful assessments of Phil Jackson saying we're in a worse position than before he came. Anyone who says anything like this shows their ignorance.We haven't traded draft picks away in years and we've acquired young talent.
Now go back and look what Phil inherited.
Don't talk to me about Noah's contract because what else are we going to use capspace for anyway during a rebuild. And name me one GM that's been going for 3 years that has given out only cost effective contracts.
GTHOH! Do you even listen to yourself think? If this guy trades KP and waives Melo he has NOTHING!!! Nothing built in 3 years! And don't give me this bullshit that we will have a better future. What is that exactly? The probability that he won't like the next draft pick in a couple of years and reset right before he leaves Knicks in ruins. Funny, "don't talk to you about Noah"? So dont mwntuon giving up on draft picks, making the Knicks more of a joke, building no consistency, creating the biggest losing culture to date, trashing his players value, being a part time executive. Lmao
Time to fire that old fool.
HofstraBBall wrote:Sinix wrote:I've seen so many people give awful assessments of Phil Jackson saying we're in a worse position than before he came. Anyone who says anything like this shows their ignorance.We haven't traded draft picks away in years and we've acquired young talent.
Now go back and look what Phil inherited.
Don't talk to me about Noah's contract because what else are we going to use capspace for anyway during a rebuild. And name me one GM that's been going for 3 years that has given out only cost effective contracts.
GTHOH! Do you even listen to yourself think? If this guy trades KP and waives Melo he has NOTHING!!! Nothing built in 3 years! And don't give me this bullshit that we will have a better future. What is that exactly? The probability that he won't like the next draft pick in a couple of years and reset right before he leaves Knicks in ruins. Funny, "don't talk to you about Noah"? So dont mwntuon giving up on draft picks, making the Knicks more of a joke, building no consistency, creating the biggest losing culture to date, trashing his players value, being a part time executive. Lmao
Time to fire that old fool.
Are you assuming Phil would trade KP and not get equal value in return? That would be a pretty nonsensical position to take.
We had a #4 draft pick 2 years ago and grew that asset by drafting well with KP. That value isn't inherently lost when traded.
And waiving Melo hasn't happened yet. We may trade him, we may waive him.
He drafted WHG. Dude is a stud and take a look at his contract. Freakin awesome deal we got WHG for. He could be trade bait for a top 10 pick soon.
Knicks have young talent and draft picks. Take a deep breath. For any bad contracts they've given out, they aren't really worse for it.
