Phil has been TRYING to get KP to talk and patch things up. WTH is wrong with KP and Janis that they don't realize this is wrong... EXCEPT if Janis and ASM Sports WANTS Phil to trade KP!!!
ekstarks94 wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:This is a players league. If I were James Dolan, I would pull the trigger and fire Phil ASAP before he has a chance to trade KP. Allow the rest of your staff to draft the right player then search for the right GM. No, that GM is not Isiah Thomas nor is it Steve Mills.I understand KP is being super immature and he should be reprimanded the minute he gets state side. You cannot trade him for this though. He is a big man who has the chance to become a star and players like that can turn your franchise around.
PS: If I were KP, I would get your ass back state-side, ASAP. Take the heat and clear the sheot hole up. Do not play for your National Team. I understand that's important but right now, you have an obligation to your club.
I agree. KP reacted to a bad situation but he is 21. Phil is still seeking payback two months later and he is willing to move his best player to get it. Phil is managing based on feelings/ego. It will only hurt the Knicks.
Any other job KP would be let go...I forgot who said this several mths ago....but if it was not for Phil taking a chance KP would have been playing for ORL....Phil is burned and I do not blame him...
No he would not. You don't fire a probable shining star over first time immaturity issues. Punish? Yes, definitely. Fire? No. Most companies are more lenient than that.
A player who shines but has not done anything in the league yet....if my asst pulled that type of crap and (key phrase coming here) ...did not makes amends after I extended a hand...I don't give a crap if they *hit gold bricks...I am getting rid of them....
Can't have that type of insubordination
18 points, 7 rebounds, 2 blocks a game is not "not done anything."
I say this and I am very critical of his game. He has a ton of improvement to make. Those are impressive numbers and a great start though.
nixluva wrote:Phil has been TRYING to get KP to talk and patch things up. WTH is wrong with KP and Janis that they don't realize this is wrong... EXCEPT if Janis and ASM Sports WANTS Phil to trade KP!!!
Has he? I know Jeff texted KP. My impression was Phil is waiting on KP to call him. Is there a link documenting Phil's attempts?
CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Phil has been TRYING to get KP to talk and patch things up. WTH is wrong with KP and Janis that they don't realize this is wrong... EXCEPT if Janis and ASM Sports WANTS Phil to trade KP!!!
Has he? I know Jeff texted KP. My impression was Phil is waiting on KP to call him. Is there a link documenting Phil's attempts?
look we both agree phil had made many errors since he has been her but you make it seem like literally everything is on him. It Seems KP went AWOL without contacting the knicks because of his idiot brother who KP should probably fire for his own good
Allanfan20 wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:This is a players league. If I were James Dolan, I would pull the trigger and fire Phil ASAP before he has a chance to trade KP. Allow the rest of your staff to draft the right player then search for the right GM. No, that GM is not Isiah Thomas nor is it Steve Mills.I understand KP is being super immature and he should be reprimanded the minute he gets state side. You cannot trade him for this though. He is a big man who has the chance to become a star and players like that can turn your franchise around.
PS: If I were KP, I would get your ass back state-side, ASAP. Take the heat and clear the sheot hole up. Do not play for your National Team. I understand that's important but right now, you have an obligation to your club.
I agree. KP reacted to a bad situation but he is 21. Phil is still seeking payback two months later and he is willing to move his best player to get it. Phil is managing based on feelings/ego. It will only hurt the Knicks.
Any other job KP would be let go...I forgot who said this several mths ago....but if it was not for Phil taking a chance KP would have been playing for ORL....Phil is burned and I do not blame him...
No he would not. You don't fire a probable shining star over first time immaturity issues. Punish? Yes, definitely. Fire? No. Most companies are more lenient than that.
A player who shines but has not done anything in the league yet....if my asst pulled that type of crap and (key phrase coming here) ...did not makes amends after I extended a hand...I don't give a crap if they *hit gold bricks...I am getting rid of them....
Can't have that type of insubordination
18 points, 7 rebounds, 2 blocks a game is not "not done anything."
I say this and I am very critical of his game. He has a ton of improvement to make. Those are impressive numbers and a great start though.
No question....but even Kobe never pulled this type of crap....
We are talking about a 2nd yr player here....a budding star indeed ....but there is a lot to be fulfilled....he is not the man yet
CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Phil has been TRYING to get KP to talk and patch things up. WTH is wrong with KP and Janis that they don't realize this is wrong... EXCEPT if Janis and ASM Sports WANTS Phil to trade KP!!!
Has he? I know Jeff texted KP. My impression was Phil is waiting on KP to call him. Is there a link documenting Phil's attempts?
BULL! Phil is not the one in the wrong here! Phil says he called and texted and we know Phil met with Janis. Janis keeps saying KP wants NY but IMO that's empty posturing to make KP look good. The TRUTH is they met with Phil and no progress was made ASM Sports is trying to get Phil to trade KP!!!
That's the only logical conclusion to why KP did this and hasn't mended fences.
ekstarks94 wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:This is a players league. If I were James Dolan, I would pull the trigger and fire Phil ASAP before he has a chance to trade KP. Allow the rest of your staff to draft the right player then search for the right GM. No, that GM is not Isiah Thomas nor is it Steve Mills.I understand KP is being super immature and he should be reprimanded the minute he gets state side. You cannot trade him for this though. He is a big man who has the chance to become a star and players like that can turn your franchise around.
PS: If I were KP, I would get your ass back state-side, ASAP. Take the heat and clear the sheot hole up. Do not play for your National Team. I understand that's important but right now, you have an obligation to your club.
I agree. KP reacted to a bad situation but he is 21. Phil is still seeking payback two months later and he is willing to move his best player to get it. Phil is managing based on feelings/ego. It will only hurt the Knicks.
Any other job KP would be let go...I forgot who said this several mths ago....but if it was not for Phil taking a chance KP would have been playing for ORL....Phil is burned and I do not blame him...
No he would not. You don't fire a probable shining star over first time immaturity issues. Punish? Yes, definitely. Fire? No. Most companies are more lenient than that.
A player who shines but has not done anything in the league yet....if my asst pulled that type of crap and (key phrase coming here) ...did not makes amends after I extended a hand...I don't give a crap if they *hit gold bricks...I am getting rid of them....
Can't have that type of insubordination
18 points, 7 rebounds, 2 blocks a game is not "not done anything."
I say this and I am very critical of his game. He has a ton of improvement to make. Those are impressive numbers and a great start though.
No question....but even Kobe never pulled this type of crap....
We are talking about a 2nd yr player here....a budding star indeed ....but there is a lot to be fulfilled....he is not the man yet
No he is not but it is still a players league, as it should be.
And Kobe might not have done THAT but I think his reputation is a lot worse than this incident.
nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Phil has been TRYING to get KP to talk and patch things up. WTH is wrong with KP and Janis that they don't realize this is wrong... EXCEPT if Janis and ASM Sports WANTS Phil to trade KP!!!
Has he? I know Jeff texted KP. My impression was Phil is waiting on KP to call him. Is there a link documenting Phil's attempts?
BULL! Phil is not the one in the wrong here! Phil says he called and texted and we know Phil met with Janis. Janis keeps saying KP wants NY but IMO that's empty posturing to make KP look good. The TRUTH is they met with Phil and no progress was made ASM Sports is trying to get Phil to trade KP!!!
That's the only logical conclusion to why KP did this and hasn't mended fences.
Phil said he called and texted KP? Nix you always have links. I consume as much media as I can about the Knicks. I haven't read or heard anywhere that Phil called or texted KP. Is there a link?
CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Phil has been TRYING to get KP to talk and patch things up. WTH is wrong with KP and Janis that they don't realize this is wrong... EXCEPT if Janis and ASM Sports WANTS Phil to trade KP!!!
Has he? I know Jeff texted KP. My impression was Phil is waiting on KP to call him. Is there a link documenting Phil's attempts?
BULL! Phil is not the one in the wrong here! Phil says he called and texted and we know Phil met with Janis. Janis keeps saying KP wants NY but IMO that's empty posturing to make KP look good. The TRUTH is they met with Phil and no progress was made ASM Sports is trying to get Phil to trade KP!!!
That's the only logical conclusion to why KP did this and hasn't mended fences.
Phil said he called and texted KP? Nix you always have links. I consume as much media as I can about the Knicks. I haven't read or heard anywhere that Phil called or texted KP. Is there a link?
He said it during the interview: He said he's reached out to KP and communicated but he hasn't had any voice communication, although he's tried--meaning he's been calling KP and being ignored. Not cool if true.
nixluva wrote:Phil has been TRYING to get KP to talk and patch things up. WTH is wrong with KP and Janis that they don't realize this is wrong... EXCEPT if Janis and ASM Sports WANTS Phil to trade KP!!!
I dont know, its fd up , Many here seem to dismiss KP's behavior. This is a terrible look for a 2nd year player and it will only get worse, Melo has poisoned this kid. Porzingis is a super diva without the game to back it up
Isaac or Jackson
Willy
Crowder
Ntilikina
Lee or if we trade him Mitchell or Kennard
2 #1’s next year (could both be lottery)
Plus whatever we get for Melo
Not bad if it happens.
Jmpasq wrote:nixluva wrote:Phil has been TRYING to get KP to talk and patch things up. WTH is wrong with KP and Janis that they don't realize this is wrong... EXCEPT if Janis and ASM Sports WANTS Phil to trade KP!!!
I dont know, its fd up , Many here seem to dismiss KP's behavior. This is a terrible look for a 2nd year player and it will only get worse, Melo has poisoned this kid. Porzingis is a super diva without the game to back it up
Thats some poison, Melo managed to make the meeting. Probably wasn't a smart thing to skip the exit meeting considering Phil's ego, but it was entirely KP's call. Melo took the high road all season while being constantly peppered with questions about what Phil said about him. Nothing poisonous about that.
How would posters feel if Rose is brought back next season in spite of making no effort to form some kind of a tandem with KP, goes AWOL during the season, gets a pass, and is given a new deal. At the same time the best draft pick in 30 years is traded because he skipped the exit meeting? Does that sound like a culture change to you?
CrushAlot wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:This is a players league. If I were James Dolan, I would pull the trigger and fire Phil ASAP before he has a chance to trade KP. Allow the rest of your staff to draft the right player then search for the right GM. No, that GM is not Isiah Thomas nor is it Steve Mills.I understand KP is being super immature and he should be reprimanded the minute he gets state side. You cannot trade him for this though. He is a big man who has the chance to become a star and players like that can turn your franchise around.
PS: If I were KP, I would get your ass back state-side, ASAP. Take the heat and clear the sheot hole up. Do not play for your National Team. I understand that's important but right now, you have an obligation to your club.
I agree. KP reacted to a bad situation but he is 21. Phil is still seeking payback two months later and he is willing to move his best player to get it. Phil is managing based on feelings/ego. It will only hurt the Knicks.
Phil is seeking payback? Really that's why you think is going on? How about nobody is above the team. Kristaps is trying to strong arm the Knicks and he can't stay healthy and he can't carry the team offensuvely yet.
CrushAlot wrote:Shaq missed two exit meetings with Phil.
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/21/15851...
different situation. Shaq missed it but made up for it 2 weeks later but phil was still upset but they moved past it. KP could have easily done this. The second time phil was retiring which shaq knew im sure
CrushAlot wrote:Shaq missed two exit meetings with Phil.
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/21/15851...
One BIG Difference! Shaq apologized and had his meeting!
Shaquille O'Neal intends to sit down with Laker management next week for an exit meeting more than two weeks late, a team official said Friday.When the Laker season ended abruptly May 15, in the Western Conference semifinals after three consecutive NBA championships, players were asked to attend brief conferences with Coach Phil Jackson and his staff.
O'Neal did not sign up for a time slot and did not show up on the day of the meetings, May 17. Jackson labeled O'Neal's absence "disrespectful."
O'Neal remains in Los Angeles, however, and has sent word that Jackson should expect him next week, on a day not yet specified.
The Laker center had said Thursday night that he was wrong to skip the season-ending meeting and that he hoped to remedy his error.
"I didn't go to the meeting and I'll take the punishment like a man," O'Neal told Fox Sports Net during an affair celebrating his involvement with the Port Authority police. "I don't make excuses and I'll never talk back. I'll never embarrass Phil. I messed up and when I mess up, I'll always clean up."
StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Shaq missed two exit meetings with Phil.
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/21/15851...
different situation. Shaq missed it but made up for it 2 weeks later but phil was still upset but they moved past it. KP could have easily done this. The second time phil was retiring which shaq knew im sure
He missed twice and it really upset Phil according to the quote from Phil. Doesnt sound like something that just slipped his mind.
CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Shaq missed two exit meetings with Phil.
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/21/15851...
different situation. Shaq missed it but made up for it 2 weeks later but phil was still upset but they moved past it. KP could have easily done this. The second time phil was retiring which shaq knew im sure
He missed twice and it really upset Phil according to the quote from Phil. Doesnt sound like something that just slipped his mind.
did i say it slipped his mind or that he wasnt upset? However the still mended fences and won titles. KP totally disappeared and didnt respond to contact
nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Shaq missed two exit meetings with Phil.
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/21/15851...
One BIG Difference! Shaq apologized and had his meeting!
Shaquille O'Neal intends to sit down with Laker management next week for an exit meeting more than two weeks late, a team official said Friday.When the Laker season ended abruptly May 15, in the Western Conference semifinals after three consecutive NBA championships, players were asked to attend brief conferences with Coach Phil Jackson and his staff.
O'Neal did not sign up for a time slot and did not show up on the day of the meetings, May 17. Jackson labeled O'Neal's absence "disrespectful."
O'Neal remains in Los Angeles, however, and has sent word that Jackson should expect him next week, on a day not yet specified.
The Laker center had said Thursday night that he was wrong to skip the season-ending meeting and that he hoped to remedy his error.
"I didn't go to the meeting and I'll take the punishment like a man," O'Neal told Fox Sports Net during an affair celebrating his involvement with the Port Authority police. "I don't make excuses and I'll never talk back. I'll never embarrass Phil. I messed up and when I mess up, I'll always clean up."
Phil said this never happened in his 25-30 years coaching. Are you suggesting he forgot? His quotes in the article make it appear that this really upset him.
