Charley Rosen, who is widely believed to be the NBA reporter with the closest relationship to Phil Jackson, wrote a detailed piece in the wake of the New York Knicks entertaining trade offers for Kristaps Porzingis.
"Just as Phil Jackson feared right after Porzingis was drafted, players that tall and that lanky are extremely susceptible to injuries," writes Rosen. "Indeed, he has missed 26 games in his first two seasons, the most potentially serious being an Achilles tendon strain last season."
Rosen goes on to write about how he's "bullied" despite his size before addressing the current issue of skipping his exit meeting with Jackson.
"But his general attitude is the most troubling.
"KP and his brother have often complained about how poorly the Knicks treat their players. This undoubtedly has to do with the negative relationship that exists between Jackson and Carmelo Anthony. For sure, Melo’s in-house dissatisfactions have unduly influenced Porzingis.
"Which is unquestionably why KP blew off the exit interview with Jackson and left for home without saying goodbye."
This really needs to stop. Phil Jackson is a fucking child. We can't have this guy as a mouthpiece. It's beyond unprofessional. It was bad enough that he released private conversations with Smith, Shumpert, Anthony, took shots at Tyson Chandler. You can't conduct business this way.
Phil has 11 rings and no one will go near the Knicks. It's becoming a high probability he's going to do something stupid this eve.
Phil Jackson isn't wrong. I see exactly what he's talking about. Just because you don't like Phil doesn't mean he's wrong with spotting out the behavioral problems with KP.
You don't want to invest into a franchise corner stone that isn't the right personality fit. KP is a liquid asset. There's no inherent downside to trading him when you get equal value.
Knicks don't have a winning formula yet but we have a few pieces like KP. Again, in this situation, there's very little downside to trading KP. It's not like we have a cohesive group of winners with chemistry together.
Actually Phil is wrong.
You don't show your cards. You don't devalue your assets before you sell them.
He maybe smarter than everyone when he's behind the bench, but he has proven to be smug introvert that's in over his head as executive.
He has been on the losing end of every trade he has made to date. If you have low IQ players you want to move, you maximize their value in an offense that plays to their strengths and you get all you can for them.
What is the upside to say a guys is susceptible to injuries and has a bad attitude.
Whay player in their right mind sees these hit pieces revealing private conversations and thinks, I want to be a part of this
Charley Rosen also said Lebron would be an average player at best
MS wrote:Charley Rosen, who is widely believed to be the NBA reporter with the closest relationship to Phil Jackson, wrote a detailed piece in the wake of the New York Knicks entertaining trade offers for Kristaps Porzingis."Just as Phil Jackson feared right after Porzingis was drafted, players that tall and that lanky are extremely susceptible to injuries," writes Rosen. "Indeed, he has missed 26 games in his first two seasons, the most potentially serious being an Achilles tendon strain last season."
Rosen goes on to write about how he's "bullied" despite his size before addressing the current issue of skipping his exit meeting with Jackson.
"But his general attitude is the most troubling.
"KP and his brother have often complained about how poorly the Knicks treat their players. This undoubtedly has to do with the negative relationship that exists between Jackson and Carmelo Anthony. For sure, Melo’s in-house dissatisfactions have unduly influenced Porzingis.
"Which is unquestionably why KP blew off the exit interview with Jackson and left for home without saying goodbye."
This really needs to stop. Phil Jackson is a fucking child. We can't have this guy as a mouthpiece. It's beyond unprofessional. It was bad enough that he released private conversations with Smith, Shumpert, Anthony, took shots at Tyson Chandler. You can't conduct business this way.
Phil has 11 rings and no one will go near the Knicks. It's becoming a high probability he's going to do something stupid this eve.
The guy is telling the truth. I can't fault him for doing that. These are exactly the way I seen things going.
so the one thing people could say Phil did right - drafting Porzingis- now goes down as a mistake?
Retaining Melo, giving him an NTC- mistake.
Trading for Derrick Rose - Mistake.
Signing Noah- Mistake.
When you're being paid $50M, you have to get something right once in a while.
Dolan has turned this franchise into a steaming pile of vomit.
If this franchise were an animal, it would be put down mercifully.
MS wrote:Actually Phil is wrong.You don't show your cards. You don't devalue your assets before you sell them.
He maybe smarter than everyone when he's behind the bench, but he has proven to be smug introvert that's in over his head as executive.
He has been on the losing end of every trade he has made to date. If you have low IQ players you want to move, you maximize their value in an offense that plays to their strengths and you get all you can for them.
What is the upside to say a guys is susceptible to injuries and has a bad attitude.
Whay player in their right mind sees these hit pieces revealing private conversations and thinks, I want to be a part of this
I have a hard time believing Phil has effected either melo or kp's value. Are you one of those guys who thinks of Phil we're constantly gushing about melo we would have a first rounder by now.
Teams and gms are watching the same games us and Phil are. Everyone knows what's up with Melos game and attitude now.
You want to blame George Karl too for writing about him in his book too?
At what point does someone like melo start getting some responsibility for his rapidly declining value related to his behavior?
He has problems with everyone. Mike D'antoni as well who by the way just won coty.
Jig is up with melo no matter what Phil says.h
Phil has some major problems but I think the root of a lot of this is melo. We should have just let him go to the Bulls. We should have remembered how he killed Linsanity because he could not stand Lin being the man in NY and tanked a season to get Dantoni fired. Melo might have turned KP into a Diva and he was the best thing to happen to the Knicks since linsanity.
MS wrote:Actually Phil is wrong.You don't show your cards. You don't devalue your assets before you sell them.
He maybe smarter than everyone when he's behind the bench, but he has proven to be smug introvert that's in over his head as executive.
He has been on the losing end of every trade he has made to date. If you have low IQ players you want to move, you maximize their value in an offense that plays to their strengths and you get all you can for them.
What is the upside to say a guys is susceptible to injuries and has a bad attitude.
Whay player in their right mind sees these hit pieces revealing private conversations and thinks, I want to be a part of this
+1
Excellent post, based on actual past performance in this role, instead of personal bias. Phil thinks 11 rings as coach + 1 million a month = Great President
And yes, i'm +1-ing, even though there's a dig at the DOUCHE in there... 
Clean wrote:Phil has some major problems but I think the root of a lot of this is melo. We should have just let him go to the Bulls. We should have remembered how he killed Linsanity because he could not stand Lin being the man in NY and tanked a season to get Dantoni fired. Melo might have turned KP into a Diva and he was the best thing to happen to the Knicks since linsanity.
Melo said all the right things when it came time to resign. Even I bought into it and you see how possed I am now.
franco12 wrote:so the one thing people could say Phil did right - drafting Porzingis- now goes down as a mistake?Retaining Melo, giving him an NTC- mistake.
Trading for Derrick Rose - Mistake.
Signing Noah- Mistake.
When you're being paid $50M, you have to get something right once in a while.
Dolan has turned this franchise into a steaming pile of vomit.
If this franchise were an animal, it would be put down mercifully.
I thought it was $60M, actually.
franco12 wrote:so the one thing people could say Phil did right - drafting Porzingis- now goes down as a mistake?Retaining Melo, giving him an NTC- mistake.
Trading for Derrick Rose - Mistake.
Signing Noah- Mistake.
When you're being paid $50M, you have to get something right once in a while.
Dolan has turned this franchise into a steaming pile of vomit.
If this franchise were an animal, it would be put down mercifully.
There's only one thing Phil has had to do right to do a good job- accumulate young talent and don't trade draft picks. Everything else is window dressing.
The fact that Phil drafted KP and sign WHG and has all our draft picks going forward, sadly, makes him our best GM at least in the past 30 years. And for his reward for a job well done, you probably want to bring an Isiah Thomas type GM back.
Clean wrote:Phil has some major problems but I think the root of a lot of this is melo. We should have just let him go to the Bulls. We should have remembered how he killed Linsanity because he could not stand Lin being the man in NY and tanked a season to get Dantoni fired. Melo might have turned KP into a Diva and he was the best thing to happen to the Knicks since linsanity.
Oh my god, my theory on replacement Melo hate theology is true and real! The 15 minutes of Jeremy lives on!
All we need now for the circle of life is a straight up Melo trade with Brooklyn for the Real Saviour to Come Home!
You just don't hear any GM's doing what Phil is doing.
He's right up there with George Karl. There seems to be an unspoken rule that things stay in house.
Phil, himself told Knicks fans that KP was 3-4 years away when he was drafted. If it's year two and he average 18pts and 7rbs perhaps we give him the benefit of the doubt before trashing him publically. Every person interviewed around the league has been unbelievably confused by Phil's behavior.
Derrick Rose was his point guard. Perhaps find pieces that fit before giving 70MM to a broken down center because you smoked a little peyote on your farm in Montana together. Perhaps Charlie Rosen should write an article about the fucking center Phil signed in the offseason who played 20 games after missing a season and being ineffective and then suspended for using banned substances. I must have missed that article....
MS wrote:You just don't hear any GM's doing what Phil is doing. He's right up there with George Karl. There seems to be an unspoken rule that things stay in house.
Phil, himself told Knicks fans that KP was 3-4 years away when he was drafted. If it's year two and he average 18pts and 7rbs perhaps we give him the benefit of the doubt before trashing him publically. Every person interviewed around the league has been unbelievably confused by Phil's behavior.
Derrick Rose was his point guard. Perhaps find pieces that fit before giving 70MM to a broken down center because you smoked a little peyote on your farm in Montana together. Perhaps Charlie Rosen should write an article about the fucking center Phil signed in the offseason who played 20 games after missing a season and being ineffective and then suspended for using banned substances. I must have missed that article....
Every person that's not busy kissing their Lin and Dantoni and Gallinari dolls every day...
Funny, Phil ventriloquisting about KP being injury prone while his $72million dollar triangular center sits on the bench watching Chris Dudley free throw shooting youtube clips...
MS wrote:You just don't hear any GM's doing what Phil is doing. He's right up there with George Karl. There seems to be an unspoken rule that things stay in house.
Phil, himself told Knicks fans that KP was 3-4 years away when he was drafted. If it's year two and he average 18pts and 7rbs perhaps we give him the benefit of the doubt before trashing him publically. Every person interviewed around the league has been unbelievably confused by Phil's behavior.
Derrick Rose was his point guard. Perhaps find pieces that fit before giving 70MM to a broken down center because you smoked a little peyote on your farm in Montana together. Perhaps Charlie Rosen should write an article about the fucking center Phil signed in the offseason who played 20 games after missing a season and being ineffective and then suspended for using banned substances. I must have missed that article....
No GMs were doing what Hinkie was doing either. Now lots are and he is widely praised.
Doing things just because others are is never a good argument for anything. Always have an argument why or why not something works.
Is Phil not allowed to have flexibility in his thinking?
He made a judgement about KP at that time. A few years later he might have seen things that have changed his future projection of KP.
Explain to me what the Knicks are missing out on by having Noah on the books. Were we in the running for some talent that was going to push us into championship contender status? We're many many many years away.
jrodmc wrote:Clean wrote:Phil has some major problems but I think the root of a lot of this is melo. We should have just let him go to the Bulls. We should have remembered how he killed Linsanity because he could not stand Lin being the man in NY and tanked a season to get Dantoni fired. Melo might have turned KP into a Diva and he was the best thing to happen to the Knicks since linsanity.
Oh my god, my theory on replacement Melo hate theology is true and real! The 15 minutes of Jeremy lives on!
All we need now for the circle of life is a straight up Melo trade with Brooklyn for the Real Saviour to Come Home!
If you want to ignore history then that's on you. There is 2 ways a franchise player can react when a new basketball system is implemented. They can take the Melo route or the James Harden route. Harden bought in and look where its got him. Melo only does what Melo thinks is good for Melo. He is a nice guy but not a team player unless he is playing on the Olympic team.
Sinix wrote:MS wrote:You just don't hear any GM's doing what Phil is doing. He's right up there with George Karl. There seems to be an unspoken rule that things stay in house.
Phil, himself told Knicks fans that KP was 3-4 years away when he was drafted. If it's year two and he average 18pts and 7rbs perhaps we give him the benefit of the doubt before trashing him publically. Every person interviewed around the league has been unbelievably confused by Phil's behavior.
Derrick Rose was his point guard. Perhaps find pieces that fit before giving 70MM to a broken down center because you smoked a little peyote on your farm in Montana together. Perhaps Charlie Rosen should write an article about the fucking center Phil signed in the offseason who played 20 games after missing a season and being ineffective and then suspended for using banned substances. I must have missed that article....
No GMs were doing what Hinkie was doing either. Now lots are and he is widely praised.
Doing things just because others are is never a good argument for anything. Always have an argument why or why not something works.
Is Phil not allowed to have flexibility in his thinking?
He made a judgement about KP at that time. A few years later he might have seen things that have changed his future projection of KP.
Explain to me what the Knicks are missing out on by having Noah on the books. Were we in the running for some talent that was going to push us into championship contender status? We're many many many years away.
I love how Hinkie did all the dirty work and stacked up assets and lost to build a nice young roster for the future. The only problem was
he was fired right before the people could finally see why you should have trusted the process. Now the new GM will come in during the good period and take all the credit for the work that Hinkie did.
What's Phils plan? Alienate every player in the league so no one ever signs with the Knicks except C level free agents?
He thought fisher was the guy. He thought Caledron would be able to help the Knicks compete for a playoff spot. He thought grant could play the point. He thought Noah would help the team.
You can make mistakes, but you can't be a smug old man when your record is embarrassing and you have nothing to show for your seasons as an executive.
Hinkie had a plan. Compile assets, win by losing. No one wanted to be in philly, but if they stay healthy which is a stretch they have sagic, Covington, fultz, Simmons, Empid, cap room and draft picks. Which is a better position than the Knicks are in.
What's our plan? Win the last two games of the season lose out on Towns? Win the last game of this season, play melo and lose two spots in the draft?
Genius, Phil! Great press conference to end the season too!
Sinix wrote:MS wrote:You just don't hear any GM's doing what Phil is doing. He's right up there with George Karl. There seems to be an unspoken rule that things stay in house.
Phil, himself told Knicks fans that KP was 3-4 years away when he was drafted. If it's year two and he average 18pts and 7rbs perhaps we give him the benefit of the doubt before trashing him publically. Every person interviewed around the league has been unbelievably confused by Phil's behavior.
Derrick Rose was his point guard. Perhaps find pieces that fit before giving 70MM to a broken down center because you smoked a little peyote on your farm in Montana together. Perhaps Charlie Rosen should write an article about the fucking center Phil signed in the offseason who played 20 games after missing a season and being ineffective and then suspended for using banned substances. I must have missed that article....
No GMs were doing what Hinkie was doing either. Now lots are and he is widely praised.
Doing things just because others are is never a good argument for anything. Always have an argument why or why not something works.
Is Phil not allowed to have flexibility in his thinking?
He made a judgement about KP at that time. A few years later he might have seen things that have changed his future projection of KP.
Explain to me what the Knicks are missing out on by having Noah on the books. Were we in the running for some talent that was going to push us into championship contender status? We're many many many years away.
is that what you tell you boss after a 100 fck ups,
contractor says he'll have your house built in 2 to 3 yrs, and by yr 4 he hasn't even build a frame..i guess you keep paying him to come up with nothing..
