Knicks · Do you think any FA is remotely interested in the knicks this yr (page 1)

Aside from ROSE, I don't see anyone even thinking about the knicks. Phil (with his mind games) killed any potential FA to make us some what relevant.

Im actually going to buy his book this wknd (mind games) I'm sure NIX has read it twice

I could tolerate rose with a PG like frank Nitty, his IQ (IMO) is higher than anyone currently on the knicks except for melo and Lee.

If San an is very interested in Rose, maybe you can understand why phil still wants him

knicks1248 wrote:Aside from ROSE, I don't see anyone even thinking about the knicks. Phil (with his mind games) killed any potential FA to make us some what relevant.

What free agent(s) do you think would have made the knicks relevant?

i honestly hope none lol, i dont trust phil and mills with the contracts,drafting solid players sure but free agents nooo

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Aside from ROSE, I don't see anyone even thinking about the knicks. Phil (with his mind games) killed any potential FA to make us some what relevant.

What free agent(s) do you think would have made the knicks relevant?

Good question, the FA class looks really weak, full of role players.

KOQ, and Lance needs to be replace with taj Gibson and cj miles

Role players will always be interested. I see us targeting guys like Andre Roberson, Mohammed, Tucker, etc and getting interest. Agents keeping players away from NY is overblown. If they know the Knicks will pay, they will have interest.

Considering the current state of the team, I dont see a stampede towards the Knicks. Its been my contention that if you can get a PG who will help bring out the best in KP's game, the other players drafted start showing something, surprising good teams, eventually there will be interest.

The important thing is developing KP's game to the point where he can lead a team. Until that happens, its probably going to be slim pickings. We dont have to build a superteam to be competitive, but we do need at least one young star to attract other stars, and KP isnt a star yet.

Yes but only if we seriously outbid all other teams.

we really don't have much room:

Melo
Baker
Dotson
Willy
OJ
Kuz
Lee
Noah
Frank N
KOQ
Plumlee
KP
Randle
Lance Thomas

That's 14 - maybe Melo is banished, maybe we don't retain someone like Randle or Baker (shocker!)

Every FA is going to ask 1 question, are melo and KP staying put, if not, kick rocks. money will not play that much of a factor

knicks1248 wrote:Aside from ROSE, I don't see anyone even thinking about the knicks. Phil (with his mind games) killed any potential FA to make us some what relevant.

Im actually going to buy his book this wknd (mind games) I'm sure NIX has read it twice

I could tolerate rose with a PG like frank Nitty, his IQ (IMO) is higher than anyone currently on the knicks except for melo and Lee.

If San an is very interested in Rose, maybe you can understand why phil still wants him

You don't see it. Then it must not be.
Phil is also messing with your mind.
The proof is not yours or my opinion, its the product on the court.
Great troll thread. You take one or two tweets from reporters and make them yours. Well read fans know some people think Knicks are not a destination.
Its not like this is your work.

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Aside from ROSE, I don't see anyone even thinking about the knicks. Phil (with his mind games) killed any potential FA to make us some what relevant.

Im actually going to buy his book this wknd (mind games) I'm sure NIX has read it twice

I could tolerate rose with a PG like frank Nitty, his IQ (IMO) is higher than anyone currently on the knicks except for melo and Lee.

If San an is very interested in Rose, maybe you can understand why phil still wants him

You don't see it. Then it must not be.
Phil is also messing with your mind.
The proof is not yours or my opinion, its the product on the court.
Great troll thread. You take one or two tweets from reporters and make them yours. Well read fans know some people think Knicks are not a destination.
Its not like this is your work.

Dude what are you 90 yrs old, any joe blow could look at whats been going on with the knicks and determine that it's no ones first destination, Were literally a laughing stock, revolving door, dysfunctional franchise.

With Phil dangling it's 2 best players in all sorts of trade rumors, that has become the biggest problem when recruiting good players going fwd.

Tweets????? smdh... there isn't a media outlet in the world that would disagree. There's a Giant billboard in big bright yellow colors by MSG begging phil to wake up(in so many words)

knicks1248 wrote:Every FA is going to ask 1 question, are melo and KP staying put, if not, kick rocks. money will not play that much of a factor

over his career who is the best FA to ever sign with any team that Melo has played on? KMart? How about some context?

Oh.. and the Knicks have already signed some FAs. So there you go

I don't think the Knicks should pursue free agents. I think they should commit to the rebuild and keep the cap space hopefully to use it to take on a contract and a pick. But I don't think any free agents would come to NY right now unless the Knicks over pay and they don't have other options. Playing in NYC you already have to pay high state and possibly nyc income tax. The way the Knicks have treated players won't help their cause. Someone will always take the money. The Knicks cannot hope to rebuild through free agency with the current front office.

CrushAlot wrote:I don't think the Knicks should pursue free agents. I think they should commit to the rebuild and keep the cap space hopefully to use it to take on a contract and a pick. But I don't think any free agents would come to NY right now unless the Knicks over pay and they don't have other options. Playing in NYC you already have to pay high state and possibly nyc income tax. The way the Knicks have treated players won't help their cause. Someone will always take the money. The Knicks cannot hope to rebuild through free agency with the current front office.

agree.. best use

It's all supply and demand.
We have no shot with the top 10 or 15 free agents in this class.
They'll get max offers and good teams or just stay with their own team at more money.

After that, it's different. It comes down to who has capspace. Who feels they can get minutes and what the situation is.

We can definitely sign free agents similar to what we did two years ago with Robin Lopez/DWill/Afflalo. Around that level is possible. Not going to sign better players than that.

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Every FA is going to ask 1 question, are melo and KP staying put, if not, kick rocks. money will not play that much of a factor

over his career who is the best FA to ever sign with any team that Melo has played on? KMart? How about some context?

Oh.. and the Knicks have already signed some FAs. So there you go

That's a good point.

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Every FA is going to ask 1 question, are melo and KP staying put, if not, kick rocks. money will not play that much of a factor

over his career who is the best FA to ever sign with any team that Melo has played on? KMart? How about some context?

Oh.. and the Knicks have already signed some FAs. So there you go

That's a good point.

Right, because aside from Cleveland's favorite son, what player gets to run his franchise offers to FA's?

Mills: Lamarcus Aldridge on line one Phil
PJ: Hey, I want your big aircraft carrier butt to be my Bill Cartwright to KP's Ewing! How's that sou--- [Click] Hello? Hello? LA?

Mills: Phil! We got CP3's folks and Mr. State Farm himself on the horn!
PJ: Listen Chris, PNR is tremendous stuff, really love that jam city crap, but you really need to start thinking in triangles, you know Tex Winter once tol-- [Click]
Hello? Hello? Chris?

Mills: I effing don't believe it, we actually have KD calling from the ring ceremony! Phil!
PJ: Kevin, I know we have the unicorn, but I really think this kid is just too injury prone and doesn't have the post passing game we need to thrive, so what I'd li-- [Click] Hello? Hello? KD?

Yes indeedy, great points! We've signed Derek Rose, and Yannick Noah, and Brandon Somebody or other and JR Smooth and FluTyson, and oh yeah we just signed that Nigel guy who thinks the city sucks floor scum through a straw! Funny guy, he should be great in the locker room!

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Every FA is going to ask 1 question, are melo and KP staying put, if not, kick rocks. money will not play that much of a factor

over his career who is the best FA to ever sign with any team that Melo has played on? KMart? How about some context?

Oh.. and the Knicks have already signed some FAs. So there you go

jr
Tyson
afflalo

I said melo and kp because you need both to even win 30 games. FA's are going to sign because of $$(if that's the case winning is secondary) or because they see potential of winning now with the current roster (that's the guy you want)

So weather it was melo, cp3, Hayward, lowry, blake, whoever, as long as there a couple of stars on the roster, there's potential.

which is why phil wont just dump either of them for pennies on the dollar

knicks1248 wrote:Every FA is going to ask 1 question, are melo and KP staying put, if not, kick rocks. money will not play that much of a factor

This defies pretty much all NBA marketplace convention since the advent of free agency within the league structure.

Players look at

1) Most money and/or most years
2) Chance to win/contend/get in playoffs/be a starter
3) A chance to stay in the league period versus not playing at all/the end of their career

Is the Knicks dysfunction a factor? Yes. How much of a factor? The marketplace shows it's pretty relative all things considered.

Players with the most options, Tier 1 FAs, have the sway to go to teams who will offer the most money and years and a chance to contend/win.

Players with more options, Tier 2 guys, who have to wait for Tier 1 guys to settle into a location first, have the sway to ask for most money and most years and get a pretty good chance at a winning situation.

Players with so so options, Tier 3 guys, who have to wait for Tier 2 guys to settle out, are just looking to get paid and get the most financial security they can get period. If they have two options that are the same, they will pick the team best suited to win. If one team offers more money, they'll likely follow the cash. Most ring chasers fall somewhere in this range. They are the exception to the most money situation.

Players with limited options, Tier 4 guys, who have to wait for nearly all other guys to settle out, are just looking to stay in the NBA or get an NBA job somewhere. A uniform is great, the name on it isn't so much a big deal. These are guys who at least have proven they can play in the NBA somewhere at some point. These are guys fighting to make the cutoff to get a pension.

Players who are on the fringe, Tier 5 guys, are guys who just want to break into the league and stay somehow in some place. They are the first guys cut, they are always on the edge of nothing, they need injuries and circumstance to help them. They are guys who are not proven to have some use in the NBA. They are praying and hoping they can play long enough to just make a living at basketball.

Knicks have a so so chance at Tier 3 guys, depends on what other teams do or don't do. Most of the Knicks shopping will be in the Tier 4 and Tier 5 range.

Money won't be a factor to guys who will never give the Knicks a second glance, because in those cases, money is, at minimum, equalized somewhere else by another team. Money will be a factor in Tier 4 and Tier 5 situations.

What Phil Jackson said and did doesn't help. But sports has a short memory. Vick killed dogs. People went insane over it. He played again. Sprewell choked his coach. People went insane. He played again. Artest beat up fans in the stands. People went insane over it. He played again. I could literally write all day here. It won't help, but the league and people will move onto the next headline. There was uproar that Michael Sam might not be drafted by an NFL team. He even won an ESPY ( for what exactly....) Doesn't anyone care about Sam now?

Guys who COULD make a big difference for the Knicks were never going to sign with the Knicks anyone. If Jackson said nothing, they wouldn't sign. If he said ANYTHING they didn't like, they wouldn't sign. You aren't shooting an arrow at a target here, you are finding an arrow stuck in a tree and grabbing some paint and painting a target around the arrow itself.

Remember when Melo used to say he'd help recruit players to NY?
Before and after Phil came to work here?
Its not his fault, its the state of things.

1248, im not 90 years old. Even if so, the question is "Are you stupid"? My answers say one thing, yours another.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Every FA is going to ask 1 question, are melo and KP staying put, if not, kick rocks. money will not play that much of a factor

over his career who is the best FA to ever sign with any team that Melo has played on? KMart? How about some context?

Oh.. and the Knicks have already signed some FAs. So there you go

That's a good point.

Right, because aside from Cleveland's favorite son, what player gets to run his franchise offers to FA's?

Mills: Lamarcus Aldridge on line one Phil
PJ: Hey, I want your big aircraft carrier butt to be my Bill Cartwright to KP's Ewing! How's that sou--- [Click] Hello? Hello? LA?

Mills: Phil! We got CP3's folks and Mr. State Farm himself on the horn!
PJ: Listen Chris, PNR is tremendous stuff, really love that jam city crap, but you really need to start thinking in triangles, you know Tex Winter once tol-- [Click]
Hello? Hello? Chris?

Mills: I effing don't believe it, we actually have KD calling from the ring ceremony! Phil!
PJ: Kevin, I know we have the unicorn, but I really think this kid is just too injury prone and doesn't have the post passing game we need to thrive, so what I'd li-- [Click] Hello? Hello? KD?

Yes indeedy, great points! We've signed Derek Rose, and Yannick Noah, and Brandon Somebody or other and JR Smooth and FluTyson, and oh yeah we just signed that Nigel guy who thinks the city sucks floor scum through a straw! Funny guy, he should be great in the locker room!

Then your argument is with 1248, not me. Did you follow the whole discussion? He's the one claiming Melo does have the power to get FAs.