Knicks · Phil on building a system... (page 2)
EnySpree wrote:What's frustrating to me is that everybody is so quick to just make these jokes and how Jackson is senile and stupid and all this kind of nonsense. It's like embarrassing. Not because we're losing. It's embarrassing because everyone just automatically just makes jokes it's all over ESPN is all over NBA TV is all in the streets everywhere I'm like sick of it. Phil Jackson came over three years ago it's not like he came over 15 years ago. He came over three years ago. It's going to take awhile to to rebuild. In the beginning he was trying to tank and win now. We got KP. We then tried to win now for 2 seasons and still rebuild it didn't work. So it's like you know what I'm so sick of people It's unbelievable. It steals the Joy from being a fan of a team. It's not all about who you can get and sign. Nobody wants to play here and novody wants to play with Melo. Phil Jackson learned that the Hard way and at the expense of his reputation. Sucks....Anyway I love where we are and I look forward to this season and the next off season sand draft. We're 2 seasons away.
I have to turn off the radio and change the channel when ESPN is doing any coverage of the Knicks.
CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Phil's biggest issue was thinking he could make Melo change. Trying to put a playoff team around this career loser to see whether it would work was a bad plan. He should have let Melo go after his contract ran out. The stupid people who care more about Melo than they care about the Knicks would kill him no matter what. At the end of the day he has wasted 3 years tryinng to win Melo over. And the Knicks will pay the price for that. Then the Noah contract was a really dumb move as well. But getting rid of Shump and JR, trading for Rolo were all moves I can support.I think you are right about thinking Melo could change. He was a 12 or 13 year vet at that point and he was he was But I disagree that he tried to put a playoff team around Melo. Maybe he tried but he missed badly with the guys he went out and got. This past year the team was lacking talent. KP's first year, the roster was much less clumsy and had a shot but Melo got hurt in the Celtic game, Fish got fired, and Rambis took over. Things just fell apart.Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.
If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.
Everyone, and i mean everyone thought the team he put together would be a playoff team last year, even all the hater new york media people thought he put together a good enough team to make the playoffs. So if all these new york media people and fans that think they know so much about basketball and putting teams together thought that team he put together was gonna be good then i guess they're/we're as dumb as Phil is.
newyorker4ever wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Phil's biggest issue was thinking he could make Melo change. Trying to put a playoff team around this career loser to see whether it would work was a bad plan. He should have let Melo go after his contract ran out. The stupid people who care more about Melo than they care about the Knicks would kill him no matter what. At the end of the day he has wasted 3 years tryinng to win Melo over. And the Knicks will pay the price for that. Then the Noah contract was a really dumb move as well. But getting rid of Shump and JR, trading for Rolo were all moves I can support.I think you are right about thinking Melo could change. He was a 12 or 13 year vet at that point and he was he was But I disagree that he tried to put a playoff team around Melo. Maybe he tried but he missed badly with the guys he went out and got. This past year the team was lacking talent. KP's first year, the roster was much less clumsy and had a shot but Melo got hurt in the Celtic game, Fish got fired, and Rambis took over. Things just fell apart.Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.
If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.
Everyone, and i mean everyone thought the team he put together would be a playoff team last year, even all the hater new york media people thought he put together a good enough team to make the playoffs. So if all these new york media people and fans that think they know so much about basketball and putting teams together thought that team he put together was gonna be good then i guess they're/we're as dumb as Phil is.
"...If healthy", you left out one important piece of information there. Thats why people were largely against bringing in Noah and Rose. The risk of exactly what happened, happening. No one was dumb who saw that coming.
EnySpree wrote:What's frustrating to me is that everybody is so quick to just make these jokes and how Jackson is senile and stupid and all this kind of nonsense. It's like embarrassing. Not because we're losing. It's embarrassing because everyone just automatically just makes jokes it's all over ESPN is all over NBA TV is all in the streets everywhere I'm like sick of it. Phil Jackson came over three years ago it's not like he came over 15 years ago. He came over three years ago. It's going to take awhile to to rebuild. In the beginning he was trying to tank and win now. We got KP. We then tried to win now for 2 seasons and still rebuild it didn't work. So it's like you know what I'm so sick of people It's unbelievable. It steals the Joy from being a fan of a team. It's not all about who you can get and sign. Nobody wants to play here and novody wants to play with Melo. Phil Jackson learned that the Hard way and at the expense of his reputation. Sucks....Anyway I love where we are and I look forward to this season and the next off season sand draft. We're 2 seasons away.
I'm with you, i'm so sick of every time the Knicks name get brought up on these NBA shows the first thing the commentators do is shake their heads or laugh at them or make some stupid Knicks/Phil joke that's been made over and over again that it's annoying as hell to me and i actually catch myself getting angry at these people which is ridiculous but it's gotten so old that that's what it's become for me. When they went to talk about our pick (Frank Nitty) on NBA tv last night right after we made the pick, all K.Smith did was talk about the Knicks and what a joke they are and never once did they even say anything about the kid we just drafted. This is the damn NBA draft show and you don't even talk about Frank right after we made our selection, come on now.
GustavBahler wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Phil's biggest issue was thinking he could make Melo change. Trying to put a playoff team around this career loser to see whether it would work was a bad plan. He should have let Melo go after his contract ran out. The stupid people who care more about Melo than they care about the Knicks would kill him no matter what. At the end of the day he has wasted 3 years tryinng to win Melo over. And the Knicks will pay the price for that. Then the Noah contract was a really dumb move as well. But getting rid of Shump and JR, trading for Rolo were all moves I can support.I think you are right about thinking Melo could change. He was a 12 or 13 year vet at that point and he was he was But I disagree that he tried to put a playoff team around Melo. Maybe he tried but he missed badly with the guys he went out and got. This past year the team was lacking talent. KP's first year, the roster was much less clumsy and had a shot but Melo got hurt in the Celtic game, Fish got fired, and Rambis took over. Things just fell apart.Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.
If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.
Everyone, and i mean everyone thought the team he put together would be a playoff team last year, even all the hater new york media people thought he put together a good enough team to make the playoffs. So if all these new york media people and fans that think they know so much about basketball and putting teams together thought that team he put together was gonna be good then i guess they're/we're as dumb as Phil is.
"...If healthy", you left out one important piece of information there. Thats why people were largely against bringing in Noah and Rose. The risk of exactly what happened, happening. No one was dumb who saw that coming.
Rose pretty much made it through the full season so you can't use him but of course Noah you can use but nobody saw that coming cause there's no way for that to be done. You and others assumed it could happen and it did.
I bet you even the people that thought they could get injured still thought this team would make the playoffs which was my whole point.
GustavBahler wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Phil's biggest issue was thinking he could make Melo change. Trying to put a playoff team around this career loser to see whether it would work was a bad plan. He should have let Melo go after his contract ran out. The stupid people who care more about Melo than they care about the Knicks would kill him no matter what. At the end of the day he has wasted 3 years tryinng to win Melo over. And the Knicks will pay the price for that. Then the Noah contract was a really dumb move as well. But getting rid of Shump and JR, trading for Rolo were all moves I can support.I think you are right about thinking Melo could change. He was a 12 or 13 year vet at that point and he was he was But I disagree that he tried to put a playoff team around Melo. Maybe he tried but he missed badly with the guys he went out and got. This past year the team was lacking talent. KP's first year, the roster was much less clumsy and had a shot but Melo got hurt in the Celtic game, Fish got fired, and Rambis took over. Things just fell apart.Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.
If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.
Everyone, and i mean everyone thought the team he put together would be a playoff team last year, even all the hater new york media people thought he put together a good enough team to make the playoffs. So if all these new york media people and fans that think they know so much about basketball and putting teams together thought that team he put together was gonna be good then i guess they're/we're as dumb as Phil is.
"...If healthy", you left out one important piece of information there. Thats why people were largely against bringing in Noah and Rose. The risk of exactly what happened, happening. No one was dumb who saw that coming.
THIS!
stanleybostitch wrote:Phil talking about taking Frank and why he likes Euro players...I'm with him on his implied criticism of college ball, where too often more emphasis is on being a showman than a team player.Interesting. Phil has drafted 8 players for the Knicks. Six of them have been euros.“Sometimes it’s the ability for players to grow up into a system of play that they adapt to as they’re growing up as young players, and fitting into that style,” Jackson said. “A lot of the times in our college ball here, without making a lot of claims, a lot of it is about our college ball adapting to who the players are and our college game becomes more a style of what you can do offensively.“Just giving a lot of room to players just to play whatever one-on-one or whatever ability they have, whereas the European players are schooled into a system and how to fit into it.”
newyorker4ever wrote:GustavBahler wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Phil's biggest issue was thinking he could make Melo change. Trying to put a playoff team around this career loser to see whether it would work was a bad plan. He should have let Melo go after his contract ran out. The stupid people who care more about Melo than they care about the Knicks would kill him no matter what. At the end of the day he has wasted 3 years tryinng to win Melo over. And the Knicks will pay the price for that. Then the Noah contract was a really dumb move as well. But getting rid of Shump and JR, trading for Rolo were all moves I can support.I think you are right about thinking Melo could change. He was a 12 or 13 year vet at that point and he was he was But I disagree that he tried to put a playoff team around Melo. Maybe he tried but he missed badly with the guys he went out and got. This past year the team was lacking talent. KP's first year, the roster was much less clumsy and had a shot but Melo got hurt in the Celtic game, Fish got fired, and Rambis took over. Things just fell apart.Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.
If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.
Everyone, and i mean everyone thought the team he put together would be a playoff team last year, even all the hater new york media people thought he put together a good enough team to make the playoffs. So if all these new york media people and fans that think they know so much about basketball and putting teams together thought that team he put together was gonna be good then i guess they're/we're as dumb as Phil is.
"...If healthy", you left out one important piece of information there. Thats why people were largely against bringing in Noah and Rose. The risk of exactly what happened, happening. No one was dumb who saw that coming.
Rose pretty much made it through the full season so you can't use him but of course Noah you can use but nobody saw that coming cause there's no way for that to be done. You and others assumed it could happen and it did.
I bet you even the people that thought they could get injured still thought this team would make the playoffs which was my whole point.
You talked about a PG who was going to take us to the playoffs, and he couldn't finish out the regular season, again. On what planet is that anything but coming up short? Rose was likely the most injured player of the last 4 years, at that point. Noah was a bench player in Chicago because he couldn't handle the minutes, and he couldn't stay healthy.
You bring in two players with their medical history into a starting role and you are courting exactly what happened, disaster. I doubt anyone thought they could make the playoffs without a full season from both of them, with Rolo gone. Who hasn't missed a game in 2 seasons.
I didn't want to be right about the risk of bringing in these two players, but Im not going to apologize for calling it either. No one should.
meloshouldgo wrote:Phil's biggest issue was thinking he could make Melo change. Trying to put a playoff team around this career loser to see whether it would work was a bad plan. He should have let Melo go after his contract ran out. The stupid people who care more about Melo than they care about the Knicks would kill him no matter what. At the end of the day he has wasted 3 years tryinng to win Melo over. And the Knicks will pay the price for that. Then the Noah contract was a really dumb move as well. But getting rid of Shump and JR, trading for Rolo were all moves I can support.Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.
If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.
See your still on here 24/7 trying to rid the Knicks of the guy who shipped out your fellow girlfriend. Let me ask you something...how long have you been a Knick fan/ Melo hater. My guess is since 2011. Will you now be leaving the UK site for the Nets forum since his ass will be shipped out now that they got a real PG in Russell? Or is that Melo's fault as well.
Phil and the Triangle will live another 2 years before going into permanent retirement. The Knicks will be back to square one when he leaves. KP will run far away. That's if Phil doesn't devalue him to a point he gives him away for scraps. Like everyone else he has had. But at least we will have Noah to build around. Lmao.
EnySpree wrote:What's frustrating to me is that everybody is so quick to just make these jokes and how Jackson is senile and stupid and all this kind of nonsense. It's like embarrassing. Not because we're losing. It's embarrassing because everyone just automatically just makes jokes it's all over ESPN is all over NBA TV is all in the streets everywhere I'm like sick of it. Phil Jackson came over three years ago it's not like he came over 15 years ago. He came over three years ago. It's going to take awhile to to rebuild. In the beginning he was trying to tank and win now. We got KP. We then tried to win now for 2 seasons and still rebuild it didn't work. So it's like you know what I'm so sick of people It's unbelievable. It steals the Joy from being a fan of a team. It's not all about who you can get and sign. Nobody wants to play here and novody wants to play with Melo. Phil Jackson learned that the Hard way and at the expense of his reputation. Sucks....Anyway I love where we are and I look forward to this season and the next off season sand draft. We're 2 seasons away.
This bears repeating.
HofstraBBall wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Phil's biggest issue was thinking he could make Melo change. Trying to put a playoff team around this career loser to see whether it would work was a bad plan. He should have let Melo go after his contract ran out. The stupid people who care more about Melo than they care about the Knicks would kill him no matter what. At the end of the day he has wasted 3 years tryinng to win Melo over. And the Knicks will pay the price for that. Then the Noah contract was a really dumb move as well. But getting rid of Shump and JR, trading for Rolo were all moves I can support.Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.
If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.
See your still on here 24/7 trying to rid the Knicks of the guy who shipped out your fellow girlfriend. Let me ask you something...how long have you been a Knick fan/ Melo hater. My guess is since 2011. Will you now be leaving the UK site for the Nets forum since his ass will be shipped out now that they got a real PG in Russell? Or is that Melo's fault as well.
Phil and the Triangle will live another 2 years before going into permanent retirement. The Knicks will be back to square one when he leaves. KP will run far away. That's if Phil doesn't devalue him to a point he gives him away for scraps. Like everyone else he has had. But at least we will have Noah to build around. Lmao.
I totally disagree about the Triangle going into retirement. It's CHANGING but not going into retirement! If anything Phil is locking the franchise into the Triangle more like a Cement foundation. His roster moves are moving the team into this direction with players who are Triangle type players rather than AAU types.
The shift of the team's fortunes has already started. In case you and other Phil haters haven't noticed the team is adding talent and getting younger!!! These players are USED to SYSTEM basketball and aren't egomaniacs!!! So there's less chance Phil will have to get into it with these players!!!
Porzingis 2
Kuzminskas 1
Ntilikina 0
Baker 1
Quietly, Phil Jackson has added one player in each position who has very little NBA experience and room to grow. We made some decent Ron Baker/Lance Thomas/Galloway type of pick ups with the second rounders and undrafted FA we got. We may have more than 5 developing players this coming year after adding more rookies.
The thing is the guys I listed above, outside of Porzingis, are not seen as major players. However if you look at our team, we are slowly but truly heading in the right direction. We need some time because only Porzingis has the superstar potential. Willy and Frank need time, but they have major ability as well. It'll take Frank, Kris and Willy a year or two and after that I feel fans will look back and appreciate the heat Phil took for willing to stay patient and pick these players.
Not many are that high on Kuz but when he started he had great numbers. Baker started at season's end and helped the team play better on both ends. These guys are good role players and we literally picked them up out of no where. The killer for Jackson has been he hasn't had two lottery picks. In a re-build you absolutely must have your draft picks. Phil lost his best assets to work with in 2014 and 2016. Moving forward though he has all of them, and I see us having a bright future if Frank is as good as they think he can be. Last season should have showed us that we need a Marcus Smart who can shoot far more than we need a no defene playing tunnel vision scoring guard like Rose.
HofstraBBall wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Phil's biggest issue was thinking he could make Melo change. Trying to put a playoff team around this career loser to see whether it would work was a bad plan. He should have let Melo go after his contract ran out. The stupid people who care more about Melo than they care about the Knicks would kill him no matter what. At the end of the day he has wasted 3 years tryinng to win Melo over. And the Knicks will pay the price for that. Then the Noah contract was a really dumb move as well. But getting rid of Shump and JR, trading for Rolo were all moves I can support.Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.
If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.
See your still on here 24/7 trying to rid the Knicks of the guy who shipped out your fellow girlfriend. Let me ask you something...how long have you been a Knick fan/ Melo hater. My guess is since 2011. Will you now be leaving the UK site for the Nets forum since his ass will be shipped out now that they got a real PG in Russell? Or is that Melo's fault as well.
Phil and the Triangle will live another 2 years before going into permanent retirement. The Knicks will be back to square one when he leaves. KP will run far away. That's if Phil doesn't devalue him to a point he gives him away for scraps. Like everyone else he has had. But at least we will have Noah to build around. Lmao.
The return of the prodigal dumbass. Save your racist crap for someone who gives a shit.
meloshouldgo wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Phil's biggest issue was thinking he could make Melo change. Trying to put a playoff team around this career loser to see whether it would work was a bad plan. He should have let Melo go after his contract ran out. The stupid people who care more about Melo than they care about the Knicks would kill him no matter what. At the end of the day he has wasted 3 years tryinng to win Melo over. And the Knicks will pay the price for that. Then the Noah contract was a really dumb move as well. But getting rid of Shump and JR, trading for Rolo were all moves I can support.Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.
If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.
See your still on here 24/7 trying to rid the Knicks of the guy who shipped out your fellow girlfriend. Let me ask you something...how long have you been a Knick fan/ Melo hater. My guess is since 2011. Will you now be leaving the UK site for the Nets forum since his ass will be shipped out now that they got a real PG in Russell? Or is that Melo's fault as well.
Phil and the Triangle will live another 2 years before going into permanent retirement. The Knicks will be back to square one when he leaves. KP will run far away. That's if Phil doesn't devalue him to a point he gives him away for scraps. Like everyone else he has had. But at least we will have Noah to build around. Lmao.
The return of the prodigal dumbass. Save your racist crap for someone who gives a shit.
Hof is weird this way. He accuses me of being Latvian lol
Bet it shocked the living shit out of him when I said I would support a KP trade if we got what was being rumored
KP's being a prick and Phil has been nothing but great to him (drafting him when he knew he would get heat for taking him etc).
Phil's been completely different with KP than with Melo.
But some fans equate Melo and KP as saviors who are doing what's right.
It's really sad. KP and Melo know nothing about winning championships.
Phil Jackson has been around 11 as a coach and a few as a player.
I bet you anything we could remove Phil and the flaws in Melo and KP's game remain.
KP needs to get as far away from Melo as possible because I feel it's unfortunately true.
If KP doesn't and wants to keep playing the locker room hero and Melo's guy, ship his ass out for 2 lottery picks and a starter.
Nti, Willy, 2 lottery picks and a starter is a nice 5 man core moving forward.
HofstraBBall wrote:GustavBahler wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Phil's biggest issue was thinking he could make Melo change. Trying to put a playoff team around this career loser to see whether it would work was a bad plan. He should have let Melo go after his contract ran out. The stupid people who care more about Melo than they care about the Knicks would kill him no matter what. At the end of the day he has wasted 3 years tryinng to win Melo over. And the Knicks will pay the price for that. Then the Noah contract was a really dumb move as well. But getting rid of Shump and JR, trading for Rolo were all moves I can support.I think you are right about thinking Melo could change. He was a 12 or 13 year vet at that point and he was he was But I disagree that he tried to put a playoff team around Melo. Maybe he tried but he missed badly with the guys he went out and got. This past year the team was lacking talent. KP's first year, the roster was much less clumsy and had a shot but Melo got hurt in the Celtic game, Fish got fired, and Rambis took over. Things just fell apart.Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.
If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.
Everyone, and i mean everyone thought the team he put together would be a playoff team last year, even all the hater new york media people thought he put together a good enough team to make the playoffs. So if all these new york media people and fans that think they know so much about basketball and putting teams together thought that team he put together was gonna be good then i guess they're/we're as dumb as Phil is.
"...If healthy", you left out one important piece of information there. Thats why people were largely against bringing in Noah and Rose. The risk of exactly what happened, happening. No one was dumb who saw that coming.
THIS!
I actually remember most of the projections being that we would be a lottery team. Hmmmm. Not sure where the "everyone, I mean everyone" is coming from!
nixluva wrote:stanleybostitch wrote:nixluva wrote:To many of these players are too worried about their brands or having to sacrifice, than actually buying into what it takes to win.Now as for Phil's attempts at building a culture, that hasn't been totally a failure with his teams. Mainly it's the RESISTANT mentality of a few Vets that have caused the problems. Now we'll have far fewer of those kinds of guys going forward. That may help the overall CULTURE to change.
Spot on. We are moving forward with a great foundation of youth, picks, cap, and adoption of system ball. Sprinkle in 3-5yrs and what do you get? CHAMPIONSHIP.
CHAMPIONSHIP? We can all dreamI do hope that the Culture Change starts with having guys like Nitty, Baker and maybe Randle or Jaramaz running the show for large portions of each game. Those guys will buy in and execute what Jeff wants on the court. That makes a HUGE difference! Not ignoring KP and the others who are open! Playing tough D so our bugs aren't so exposed!
I prefer a cultural change and respect the hard nose discipline of Euro players and their fundamentals. Baker, 'Kina, Randle, and Jamaraz. Okay guys they are talented guys. But when Damien Lillard, Steph, Hardin, Westbrook or Dennis Smith come to the garden and light up the cultures set for 40, remember that talent dictates. You need guys like KD and the aforementioned to light it up. Guys with a scoring mentality. phils had them in spades. So play hard D, develop a system and culture. I am all in. But remember, we need a scoring guard. Someone who'll make the other team pay and KP ain't enough. You need a scoring two way SF and a scoring SG. This IS the NBA after all.
dacash wrote:i think it was jay bilas who asked during the broadcast , why talk about the knicks they're so irrelevant. lol horrible coverage
Espn is bad. Their nba coverage is really bad.
meloshouldgo wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Phil's biggest issue was thinking he could make Melo change. Trying to put a playoff team around this career loser to see whether it would work was a bad plan. He should have let Melo go after his contract ran out. The stupid people who care more about Melo than they care about the Knicks would kill him no matter what. At the end of the day he has wasted 3 years tryinng to win Melo over. And the Knicks will pay the price for that. Then the Noah contract was a really dumb move as well. But getting rid of Shump and JR, trading for Rolo were all moves I can support.Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.
If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.
See your still on here 24/7 trying to rid the Knicks of the guy who shipped out your fellow girlfriend. Let me ask you something...how long have you been a Knick fan/ Melo hater. My guess is since 2011. Will you now be leaving the UK site for the Nets forum since his ass will be shipped out now that they got a real PG in Russell? Or is that Melo's fault as well.
Phil and the Triangle will live another 2 years before going into permanent retirement. The Knicks will be back to square one when he leaves. KP will run far away. That's if Phil doesn't devalue him to a point he gives him away for scraps. Like everyone else he has had. But at least we will have Noah to build around. Lmao.
The return of the prodigal dumbass. Save your racist crap for someone who gives a shit.
But to the point what are you going to do when Melo finally leaves?