Knicks · Melo was willing to accept trade to Wash or Philly but..... (page 2)

Nalod wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:The fans get hurt in this whole deal more than anyone else including Phil and Melo but that's never brought up in tweets by the media or in articles. We gave up a ton to get Melo but won't get anything back for him with him refusing to waive his NTC for any team that would actually be able to trade anything with value for him. It's not just Phil that knows he's not a fit for what the Knicks are trying to do cause the smart fans that pay attention to this stuff also know he needs to go so we can start our rebuild the right way, and him refusing to waive his NTC is delaying our rebuild. He's hurting our cap for signing free agents with the 50+ we owe him and he's hurting the young kids in learning the system we're trying to teach them cause he refuses to buy in to it and change his game for him to better fit it. The young kids that look up to a guy like Melo see all of this and might think that if Melo won't buy into the system then why should they. The whole thing is a big cluster f**k and could change if he would just accept that this isn't the right place for him.

THE FANS GET HURT THE MOST IN ALL OF THIS.

Isn't all of this on the guy that gave him the contract with the NTC, trade kicker and almost max dollars?

Why is who is at fault so important? Does it change anything? Does firing Phil make it possible we don't do anything stupid again? You do realize that ownership structure is how Melo got here and no owner allows an employee to spend 100mil without his consent. Its a process. Blaming Isiah, Walsh, Grunwald, and now Phil over the years gets us know where. The fact is Dolan has backed off and we are not trading picks is the most significant change since Dolan has owned the team.

Did I say Phil should be fired in my post? I was responding to the post blaming Melo for not waiving his NTC, not allowing the rebuild to start right away, not being able to sign free agents etc. Phil negotiated that contract.

Nalod wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:The fans get hurt in this whole deal more than anyone else including Phil and Melo but that's never brought up in tweets by the media or in articles. We gave up a ton to get Melo but won't get anything back for him with him refusing to waive his NTC for any team that would actually be able to trade anything with value for him. It's not just Phil that knows he's not a fit for what the Knicks are trying to do cause the smart fans that pay attention to this stuff also know he needs to go so we can start our rebuild the right way, and him refusing to waive his NTC is delaying our rebuild. He's hurting our cap for signing free agents with the 50+ we owe him and he's hurting the young kids in learning the system we're trying to teach them cause he refuses to buy in to it and change his game for him to better fit it. The young kids that look up to a guy like Melo see all of this and might think that if Melo won't buy into the system then why should they. The whole thing is a big cluster f**k and could change if he would just accept that this isn't the right place for him.

THE FANS GET HURT THE MOST IN ALL OF THIS.

Isn't all of this on the guy that gave him the contract with the NTC, trade kicker and almost max dollars?

Yeah, if you have blinders on and only look with one eye.

Melo is also the leader of the team, highest paid player and wants to be treated as such. Only plays on one side of the ball, Iso's so much that his home crowd boos him and isn't acting like a leader on or off the court.

If Melo's contract is the problem, who does that fall back on?

Dolan. Now what?

I thought you just posted Dolan backed off. If Dolan did the deal it would be full max, NTC, and trade kicker.

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:The fans get hurt in this whole deal more than anyone else including Phil and Melo but that's never brought up in tweets by the media or in articles. We gave up a ton to get Melo but won't get anything back for him with him refusing to waive his NTC for any team that would actually be able to trade anything with value for him. It's not just Phil that knows he's not a fit for what the Knicks are trying to do cause the smart fans that pay attention to this stuff also know he needs to go so we can start our rebuild the right way, and him refusing to waive his NTC is delaying our rebuild. He's hurting our cap for signing free agents with the 50+ we owe him and he's hurting the young kids in learning the system we're trying to teach them cause he refuses to buy in to it and change his game for him to better fit it. The young kids that look up to a guy like Melo see all of this and might think that if Melo won't buy into the system then why should they. The whole thing is a big cluster f**k and could change if he would just accept that this isn't the right place for him.

THE FANS GET HURT THE MOST IN ALL OF THIS.

Isn't all of this on the guy that gave him the contract with the NTC, trade kicker and almost max dollars?

Why would ALL of it be on Phil?? Giving him the NTC was a horrible choice but he also had Melo telling him he'd change his game to fit the system and did he do that?? No he didn't. If Melo would just play the way the team needs him to play then all of this wouldn't even be going on.

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:The fans get hurt in this whole deal more than anyone else including Phil and Melo but that's never brought up in tweets by the media or in articles. We gave up a ton to get Melo but won't get anything back for him with him refusing to waive his NTC for any team that would actually be able to trade anything with value for him. It's not just Phil that knows he's not a fit for what the Knicks are trying to do cause the smart fans that pay attention to this stuff also know he needs to go so we can start our rebuild the right way, and him refusing to waive his NTC is delaying our rebuild. He's hurting our cap for signing free agents with the 50+ we owe him and he's hurting the young kids in learning the system we're trying to teach them cause he refuses to buy in to it and change his game for him to better fit it. The young kids that look up to a guy like Melo see all of this and might think that if Melo won't buy into the system then why should they. The whole thing is a big cluster f**k and could change if he would just accept that this isn't the right place for him.

THE FANS GET HURT THE MOST IN ALL OF THIS.

Isn't all of this on the guy that gave him the contract with the NTC, trade kicker and almost max dollars?

Yeah, if you have blinders on and only look with one eye.

Melo is also the leader of the team, highest paid player and wants to be treated as such. Only plays on one side of the ball, Iso's so much that his home crowd boos him and isn't acting like a leader on or off the court.

If Melo's contract is the problem, who does that fall back on?

Dolan. Now what?

I thought you just posted Dolan backed off. If Dolan did the deal it would be full max, NTC, and trade kicker.

Im of the opinion that Dolan asked if it was unreasonable to keep melo on and could he (Phil) do his thing and maybe make playoffs while rebuilding.
I think PHil thought that and on paper last year he tried. Rose was a small risk and what ever was thought about Noah on year one was incorrect.
The fact that we had only one first round pick in three years gave little incentive to tank exclusively.

I also think Phil did not anticipate Melo pushing back on the triangle. Melo is not a cancer, he is liked very much by his mates but is not the "Leader" he could have been.
So yes, Phil is ultimately to blame but like most things there is a lot to it. With three young guys and some vets we are more in a position to build on than the past few years.
Melo can be a part of that process if he chooses to accept a less than starring role.

Knickoftime wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:The fans get hurt in this whole deal more than anyone else including Phil and Melo but that's never brought up in tweets by the media or in articles. We gave up a ton to get Melo but won't get anything back for him with him refusing to waive his NTC for any team that would actually be able to trade anything with value for him. It's not just Phil that knows he's not a fit for what the Knicks are trying to do cause the smart fans that pay attention to this stuff also know he needs to go so we can start our rebuild the right way, and him refusing to waive his NTC is delaying our rebuild. He's hurting our cap for signing free agents with the 50+ we owe him and he's hurting the young kids in learning the system we're trying to teach them cause he refuses to buy in to it and change his game for him to better fit it. The young kids that look up to a guy like Melo see all of this and might think that if Melo won't buy into the system then why should they. The whole thing is a big cluster f**k and could change if he would just accept that this isn't the right place for him.

THE FANS GET HURT THE MOST IN ALL OF THIS.

Isn't all of this on the guy that gave him the contract with the NTC, trade kicker and almost max dollars?

Yeah, if you have blinders on and only look with one eye.

Melo is also the leader of the team, highest paid player and wants to be treated as such. Only plays on one side of the ball, Iso's so much that his home crowd boos him and isn't acting like a leader on or off the court.

That's all well and fine, but for fans to expect him to uproot his life and accept a trade for them is just ... well, instead of saying unreasonable I'll say hopelessly and inevitably a path to disappointment.

And all he has to do is simply play the game to fit the system instead of going against change and staying ISO Melo.

3 way:

Washington gets Melo and O'Quinn

Minny gets Markieff Morris, C. Lee, and Tomas Satoransky

Knicks gets Rubio, Gotat, Oubre

Would any of these teams do it? Trade accepted in the ESPN trade machine. Obviously Minny would need a PG but it sounds like they wanted shooting in return for Rubio (as well as unloading him).