Vmart wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:And a GREAT front office that makes wise basketball and behind the scenes decisions. It takes great coaches and players who are on the same page and are also model citizens. It also takes winning many championships. It takes having the right mixture of youthier kids and vets. It also takes having multiple stars who are leaders and one super duper star that everyone in the league holds to the abaolute hoghest regard.There will never be another Spurs team in the NBA.
This is so true. Once again the Knicks failed miserably.
This is not me bashing the Knicks and saying they failed. This is more ao me praising the Spurs for building something nobody else will be able to do.
The Knicks have failed on many levels though. Not for not being the Spurs though.
HofstraBBall wrote:Knicks need to hire an "Experienced" President and GM. Not just based on his name or what organization he has affiliation to. But if its an experienced guy from the Spurs then Hell yeah! I am hoping the rumors are true about Masai(Messiah?). Just think of the sound of his name. If anyone ever needed one its the Knicks.
Former assistant of Spurs is not the Timberwolves GM.
His name: Scott Layden.
Phil had the right idea but poor execution. Dolan was pretty patient with Phil until he could not reconcile with Melo and was creating a division with KP.
Sinix wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Knicks need to hire an "Experienced" President and GM. Not just based on his name or what organization he has affiliation to. But if its an experienced guy from the Spurs then Hell yeah! I am hoping the rumors are true about Masai(Messiah?). Just think of the sound of his name. If anyone ever needed one its the Knicks.
An experienced gm to do what? Trade draft picks past and future?
Yep, that's what I said. Your a good reader. Knicks trivia. Who traded our draft picks made since 2011 (for nothing) or watched them head to the D-League? Except for KP and Willy of course.
Vmart wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Knicks need to hire an "Experienced" President and GM. Not just based on his name or what organization he has affiliation to. But if its an experienced guy from the Spurs then Hell yeah! I am hoping the rumors are true about Masai(Messiah?). Just think of the sound of his name. If anyone ever needed one its the Knicks.
How is that experienced guy on the Nets working out? He was a Spurs guy.
Nets dug a big hole. It does not work out in one season. Even a spurs guy can't do that.
Nalod wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Knicks need to hire an "Experienced" President and GM. Not just based on his name or what organization he has affiliation to. But if its an experienced guy from the Spurs then Hell yeah! I am hoping the rumors are true about Masai(Messiah?). Just think of the sound of his name. If anyone ever needed one its the Knicks.
Former assistant of Spurs is not the Timberwolves GM.
His name: Scott Layden.
Phil had the right idea but poor execution. Dolan was pretty patient with Phil until he could not reconcile with Melo and was creating a division with KP.
Do you really think it was just Melo? Couple of rumors that its been brewing all year. Which would make more sense. As much as I disliked the Triangle and Phils antics, I still think Phil's stature makes it hard for Dolan to just fire him because of Melo? Specially after giving him an extension. Which if I remember correctly, was at the same exact time the Rosen stuff was floating around.
newyorknewyork wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Knicks need to hire an "Experienced" President and GM. Not just based on his name or what organization he has affiliation to. But if its an experienced guy from the Spurs then Hell yeah! I am hoping the rumors are true about Masai. Just think of the meaning of his name. If anyone ever needed one its the Knicks.
They did that with Walsh and he sucked.
Look at Walsh's history and then what transpired in NY. Very different style.
Dolan was all over it.
Not saying Walsh did a good job, but when the boss gives a directive, you do it. That was his job.
Phil had the right idea with Gaines, but he shouldn't have stopped there. If he had decided from day one to clean house, I believe he would have put enough talented people in place to put the franchise on autopilot. Phil thought Rambis was enough to change the culture.
HofstraBBall wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Knicks need to hire an "Experienced" President and GM. Not just based on his name or what organization he has affiliation to. But if its an experienced guy from the Spurs then Hell yeah! I am hoping the rumors are true about Masai. Just think of the meaning of his name. If anyone ever needed one its the Knicks.
They did that with Walsh and he sucked.
So hire a big name coach to lead BBall operations? How did that work out? OR maybe a big time retired player? Just don't want another "Name" with no experience. Would also help if it is someone young who eats and sleep basketball.
I get what your saying and I agree. But something is rotten in NY and everyone comes here to ruin their careers.
Nalod wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Knicks need to hire an "Experienced" President and GM. Not just based on his name or what organization he has affiliation to. But if its an experienced guy from the Spurs then Hell yeah! I am hoping the rumors are true about Masai. Just think of the meaning of his name. If anyone ever needed one its the Knicks.
They did that with Walsh and he sucked.
Look at Walsh's history and then what transpired in NY. Very different style.
Dolan was all over it.
Not saying Walsh did a good job, but when the boss gives a directive, you do it. That was his job.
Walsh could have done a better job in execution of his plan.
Nalod wrote:Vmart wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Knicks need to hire an "Experienced" President and GM. Not just based on his name or what organization he has affiliation to. But if its an experienced guy from the Spurs then Hell yeah! I am hoping the rumors are true about Masai(Messiah?). Just think of the sound of his name. If anyone ever needed one its the Knicks.
How is that experienced guy on the Nets working out? He was a Spurs guy.
Nets dug a big hole. It does not work out in one season. Even a spurs guy can't do that.
Phil threw alot of dirt onto him self...He wasn't diggin out, he was diggin in...
newyorknewyork wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Knicks need to hire an "Experienced" President and GM. Not just based on his name or what organization he has affiliation to. But if its an experienced guy from the Spurs then Hell yeah! I am hoping the rumors are true about Masai. Just think of the meaning of his name. If anyone ever needed one its the Knicks.
They did that with Walsh and he sucked.
So hire a big name coach to lead BBall operations? How did that work out? OR maybe a big time retired player? Just don't want another "Name" with no experience. Would also help if it is someone young who eats and sleep basketball.
I get what your saying and I agree. But something is rotten in NY and everyone comes here to ruin their careers.
Since 2001 when Dolan took over, we have had 11 coaching changes. Most in the NBA.
Grunfeld, Layden, Isiah, walsh, Grunwald, Phil also in that time frame. Mills is in there as well.
The culture from SAS comes from the owner who hired Larry Brown. Buford and Pop come from Brown's tree. But its the owner who drives it.
Rockets no dynasty but Morey has been given time. Why? He is doing the owners work. Grunfeld has survived two owners. Wiz owner wanted youth movement and Grunfeld warned him you need vets too. He kept his job because he was working for the owners directive. When relented, grunfeld got some vets in and have been successful.
Most owners are self made successful people and thus see the team as an extension of their business lives. Dolan has no such acumen. He might eventually get it right and giving autonomy to phil was a good idea, but executed badly.
GustavBahler wrote:Phil had the right idea with Gaines, but he shouldn't have stopped there. If he had decided from day one to clean house, I believe he would have put enough talented people in place to put the franchise on autopilot. Phil thought Rambis was enough to change the culture.
Phil messed up by not rebuilding immediately. Would have bought him time. Ppl would attack his win loss record as much if he was adding assets and drafting. He tried to get back to that, but I guess it was to late. At least he kept the picks rather then going full blown win now.
newyorknewyork wrote:Nalod wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Knicks need to hire an "Experienced" President and GM. Not just based on his name or what organization he has affiliation to. But if its an experienced guy from the Spurs then Hell yeah! I am hoping the rumors are true about Masai. Just think of the meaning of his name. If anyone ever needed one its the Knicks.
They did that with Walsh and he sucked.
Look at Walsh's history and then what transpired in NY. Very different style.
Dolan was all over it.
Not saying Walsh did a good job, but when the boss gives a directive, you do it. That was his job.
Walsh could have done a better job in execution of his plan.
Walsh had a great thing going till Dolan forced his hand and made him trade the farm for melo. Imagine if Walsh was able to actually build a winning culture not traded the farm for melo, like he has in Indiana... Walsh left thanks again to the media forcing the issue to get melo, obviously Dolan reads the news and listens to the media. Then Walsh said f this you f'd up my whole game plan.
If you ask me Walsh was the smartest one of the revolving door of executives. And he stuck it to Dolan for forcing him to trade for melo, and put us in the hole we are still trying to dig ourselves out of.
newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Phil had the right idea with Gaines, but he shouldn't have stopped there. If he had decided from day one to clean house, I believe he would have put enough talented people in place to put the franchise on autopilot. Phil thought Rambis was enough to change the culture.
Phil messed up by not rebuilding immediately. Would have bought him time. Ppl would attack his win loss record as much if he was adding assets and drafting. He tried to get back to that, but I guess it was to late. At least he kept the picks rather then going full blown win now.
Phil avoided some of the mistakes of his predecessors, but not enough of them. I just wish he had put his time into remaking the front office instead of insisting on the Triangle.
newyorknewyork wrote:Nalod wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Knicks need to hire an "Experienced" President and GM. Not just based on his name or what organization he has affiliation to. But if its an experienced guy from the Spurs then Hell yeah! I am hoping the rumors are true about Masai. Just think of the meaning of his name. If anyone ever needed one its the Knicks.
They did that with Walsh and he sucked.
Look at Walsh's history and then what transpired in NY. Very different style.
Dolan was all over it.
Not saying Walsh did a good job, but when the boss gives a directive, you do it. That was his job.
Walsh could have done a better job in execution of his plan.
Of course he could have. They hired MDA to coach a non MDA type team. Then they cleaned house after Isiah had leveraged the team to make a run at Lebron.
Then they Bring in Amare (100mil uninsured) and eventually do the Melo trade. You really think those are Walsh signiture moves? You think a GM who was forced upon Dolan has that kind of Juice???
Dolan is all over those deals. He has to be, its his money.
Owners are the defacto leaders of teams. They have not just final say, but set the agenda. ITS THEIR TEAM!!!!! Dolan wanted stars.
If a team wants to rebuild, there are financial considerations that come with losing. Owners make that call. Want to step up a contending team and add talent, he makes the decision to do so. He knows the tax ramifications of moves.
Im can see where Isiah charmed Dolan into making the moves he did and its why Dolan likley stayed loyal to him. Its because he Dolan was also culpable for the decisions.
fitzfarm wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Nalod wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Knicks need to hire an "Experienced" President and GM. Not just based on his name or what organization he has affiliation to. But if its an experienced guy from the Spurs then Hell yeah! I am hoping the rumors are true about Masai. Just think of the meaning of his name. If anyone ever needed one its the Knicks.
They did that with Walsh and he sucked.
Look at Walsh's history and then what transpired in NY. Very different style.
Dolan was all over it.
Not saying Walsh did a good job, but when the boss gives a directive, you do it. That was his job.
Walsh could have done a better job in execution of his plan.
Walsh had a great thing going till Dolan forced his hand and made him trade the farm for melo. Imagine if Walsh was able to actually build a winning culture not traded the farm for melo, like he has in Indiana... Walsh left thanks again to the media forcing the issue to get melo, obviously Dolan reads the news and listens to the media. Then Walsh said f this you f'd up my whole game plan.
If you ask me Walsh was the smartest one of the revolving door of executives. And he stuck it to Dolan for forcing him to trade for melo, and put us in the hole we are still trying to dig ourselves out of.
If he actually got picks back for trading Crawford, Randolph, Lee. And didn't trade away 2 lottery picks to dump 6mil in salary. Then maybe we have the assets to recover from the Melo trade. He didn't resign when he gave Amare 100mil contract so was that Dolan forcing his hand or was that him trying to save face from giving up everyone to chase Lebron with no backup plan.
If we had a Pop, Dolan would fire him.
Seriously, our players would not like this kind of old man and it is a players league, so Pop cannot be here.
This is sincere and not meant to be offensive, but no shnit.
This is sincere and not meant to be offensive, but no shnit.
The main roadblocks:
1) not that easy or others would have successfully emulated it by now
2) Dolan, he's eff it up even if it there were and easy proven model
Develop a Spurs culture? They need to develop a "Any Other Team But Knicks" Culture.
newyorknewyork wrote:Nalod wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Knicks need to hire an "Experienced" President and GM. Not just based on his name or what organization he has affiliation to. But if its an experienced guy from the Spurs then Hell yeah! I am hoping the rumors are true about Masai. Just think of the meaning of his name. If anyone ever needed one its the Knicks.
They did that with Walsh and he sucked.
Look at Walsh's history and then what transpired in NY. Very different style.
Dolan was all over it.
Not saying Walsh did a good job, but when the boss gives a directive, you do it. That was his job.
Walsh could have done a better job in execution of his plan.
Walsh should have had a better plan, period. To clear (give away) all the assets he did, hoping to win the Lebron sweepstakes, and then not fall on his sword for the Amar'e signing showed no forethought. There are 29 other franchises in the league. There must be some ass't GM with vision whose ready to take the next step.
