Just marinating on the news, and the resulting story lines.
Uncle Phil never wanted the job.
Money cannot buy happiness.
Somewhere, Kristaps is lifting weights.
Hermangomez just called him with the news.
Some things are better left in the past.
I'd say Phil.
Isiah took a bland team with draft picks a good coach and cap space and turned it into a continued mess.
Botched Chaney firing on national TV, Wilkens hire was from humiliation, Larry Brown debacle and his own inept coaching.
Won 23 games with a payroll that was 48% higher than the second highest payroll!! 119 million!!!!!
Then, he traded two lottery picks for Eddy.
Trevor Ariza for Steve Francis. Might have been Larry's request, but he was in charge.
With phil, the franchise is in better shape then when he was hired. We have our picks going forward, have two young front court studs and perhaps our PG of the future.
We also have a very good coach. Phil tore it down and only Noah is the worst mistake he has made.
Question is can Jeff make it work with Melo for at least one more year?
phil, we still have assets
Phil by far. He had vision for the future. Most couldn't get past his deals but his approach to development of young players will help the next GM to trade it all away.
Phil by far. He left the next President in very good shape. Healthy cap, every draft pick, young prospects, and a young franchise player to build around.
Nalod wrote:I'd say Phil. Isiah took a bland team with draft picks a good coach and cap space and turned it into a continued mess.
Botched Chaney firing on national TV, Wilkens hire was from humiliation, Larry Brown debacle and his own inept coaching.
Won 23 games with a payroll that was 48% higher than the second highest payroll!! 119 million!!!!!
Then, he traded two lottery picks for Eddy.
Trevor Ariza for Steve Francis. Might have been Larry's request, but he was in charge.
With phil, the franchise is in better shape then when he was hired. We have our picks going forward, have two young front court studs and perhaps our PG of the future.
We also have a very good coach. Phil tore it down and only Noah is the worst mistake he has made.
Question is can Jeff make it work with Melo for at least one more year?
I'd agree. The only point I would make about Isiah was I think he was a lot better at judging talent in the draft. Trevor Ariza, David Lee, Channing Frye, Nate Robinson- all guys that turned out pretty good in the years after.
If the Knicks were smart, they'd hire David Griffin as GM and Mark Jackson as Coach.
- Matt Murphy
franco12 wrote:Nalod wrote:I'd say Phil. Isiah took a bland team with draft picks a good coach and cap space and turned it into a continued mess.
Botched Chaney firing on national TV, Wilkens hire was from humiliation, Larry Brown debacle and his own inept coaching.
Won 23 games with a payroll that was 48% higher than the second highest payroll!! 119 million!!!!!
Then, he traded two lottery picks for Eddy.
Trevor Ariza for Steve Francis. Might have been Larry's request, but he was in charge.
With phil, the franchise is in better shape then when he was hired. We have our picks going forward, have two young front court studs and perhaps our PG of the future.
We also have a very good coach. Phil tore it down and only Noah is the worst mistake he has made.
Question is can Jeff make it work with Melo for at least one more year?
I'd agree. The only point I would make about Isiah was I think he was a lot better at judging talent in the draft. Trevor Ariza, David Lee, Channing Frye, Nate Robinson- all guys that turned out pretty good in the years after.
Have to wait on this, since KP, Willy, Frank, Dotson, etc. have not had a chance to develop.
Maybe you can make your comment in 5 years...But now?
Phil was better just by showing up, 17 win season aside.
IT hasn't shown he would be better for anything. Unless you're an attorney.
Phil hands down better. Young talent and still has cap space and future picks. The next GM comes in with a MUCH better starting place. What new GM won't want to take this job with young talent already in place???
Well lets see-
Isiah- left us in muck and mire for years after he was gone. And then he was a gift that kept giving with Dolan trying to bring him back mixed with sexual harassment cases. Stuck with a team of no cap room because its spent on Murbury/Francis and many future draft picks traded away for Eddy Curry. No good young talent on the team besides a young David Lee.
Phil- Left us with multiple young growing players in Kristaps, Willy and Frank. We also have all of our draft picks going forward.
WTF @ this question.
Isiah
I think he had the right pieces just not the right coaches and, of course, the Eddy Curry trade was a mess. That one really set things back but I believe (with no proof) that was more to try and please Dolan.
misterearl wrote:If the Knicks were smart, they'd hire David Griffin as GM and Mark Jackson as Coach.
- Matt Murphy
Did Griffin draft Bennet #1 or was that someone else?
newyorknewyork wrote:misterearl wrote:If the Knicks were smart, they'd hire David Griffin as GM and Mark Jackson as Coach.
- Matt Murphy
Did Griffin draft Bennet #1 or was that someone else?
I'm not sure why Griffin is respected.
His team was bad enough post lebron to be lucky enough to draft kyrie #1 then they were bad enough to get the Wiggins pick which they traded for love. Then lebron resigned which had nothing to do with griffin.
Griffin is responsible for them being stacked with bad contracts now. The Tristan Thomas deal. Signing jr and schump to long term deals. Then he made a bunch of bad deals this past season then ended up flailing. Deron.... korver....
Not sure what Griffin has done that is worthy of any praise whatsoever.
Sinix wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:misterearl wrote:If the Knicks were smart, they'd hire David Griffin as GM and Mark Jackson as Coach.
- Matt Murphy
Did Griffin draft Bennet #1 or was that someone else?
I'm not sure why Griffin is respected.
His team was bad enough post lebron to be lucky enough to draft kyrie #1 then they were bad enough to get the Wiggins pick which they traded for love. Then lebron resigned which had nothing to do with griffin.
Griffin is responsible for them being stacked with bad contracts now. The Tristan Thomas deal. Signing jr and schump to long term deals. Then he made a bunch of bad deals this past season then ended up flailing. Deron.... korver....
Not sure what Griffin has done that is worthy of any praise whatsoever.
Lebron had more to do with that other stuff. But prior to Bron that was all Griffin?
newyorknewyork wrote:Sinix wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:misterearl wrote:If the Knicks were smart, they'd hire David Griffin as GM and Mark Jackson as Coach.
- Matt Murphy
Did Griffin draft Bennet #1 or was that someone else?
I'm not sure why Griffin is respected.
His team was bad enough post lebron to be lucky enough to draft kyrie #1 then they were bad enough to get the Wiggins pick which they traded for love. Then lebron resigned which had nothing to do with griffin.
Griffin is responsible for them being stacked with bad contracts now. The Tristan Thomas deal. Signing jr and schump to long term deals. Then he made a bunch of bad deals this past season then ended up flailing. Deron.... korver....
Not sure what Griffin has done that is worthy of any praise whatsoever.
Lebron had more to do with that other stuff. But prior to Bron that was all Griffin?
IDK but the point is Kyrie wasn't Griffin. Neither was getting Love. Neither was getting Lebron back.
So what has Griffin done to get him acclaim as a top exec?
The moves I've seen are the poor ones that Lebron pressured him to make.
Some of us are old enough to remember that Phil was a player on our last two championship teams. He was and is loved by those who saw him play so hard. We also remember how he turned around teams with great talent that couldn't win until he got there and straightened them out. We also appreciate how he came to run the Knicks when we had virtually no draft picks because our previous GMs sacrificed our future in stupid trades. Phil has kept and added draft picks and has added KP, Willy and Frank, 3 pieces of a future championship team. We have all of our draft picks going forward. Thanks, Phil!
Phil is barely gone and we're talking about giving up draft picks for his replacement and signing Jeff Teague. As I said Phil haters, be careful what you wish for.
I hated Phil but he was way better than Isiah and it's not even close.
misterearl wrote:If the Knicks were smart, they'd hire David Griffin as GM and Mark Jackson as Coach.
- Matt Murphy
That would be interesting. Windhorst just said the Magic gave up a 2nd round pick to get Ujiri's assistant so he doesn't think Ujiri is leaving Toronto.
CrushAlot wrote:misterearl wrote:If the Knicks were smart, they'd hire David Griffin as GM and Mark Jackson as Coach.
- Matt Murphy
That would be interesting. Windhorst just said the Magic gave up a 2nd round pick to get Ujiri's assistant so he doesn't think Ujiri is leaving Toronto.
Don't want Mark Jackson. I hope they give Jeff a chance to show what he can do. I stand by the fact that Steve Kerr vouched for Jeff and would've hired Jeff if we didn't sign him.
